Hopefully we can go back to declared wars after Trump wins the battle with ISIS.Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty
So, how about the latest strikes in Syria and the trail of tears for oil? Several innocents have been reported killed.
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Declaration of war? We don' need no stinkin' declaration of war.
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We broke it now we gotta fix it?
Yes, exactly. You break it, you buy it, you got the concept.We broke it now we gotta fix it?
I don't know if it is the moral thing to do, but it could be, possibly, if executed properly and doesn't turn into an endless boondoggle. That's why Ron Paul's option is better.
But the Trump option is literally a billion times better than the Hillary option, and since there is no strong liberty movement or liberty candidates right now let's not $#@! that up by getting Pence or some socialist or establishment stooge back in the helms.
Don't join the progressives, the enemy of your enemy is not your friend.
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Please name the differences.
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I don't know if there is anything worth adding to this thread that hasn't already been said, so I'll let Ron Paul in my signature do the talking.
Ah yes. You are correct sir. Trump did declare war on ISIS already during the election.
Congress? We don' need no stinkin' Congress.Declaration of war? We don' need no stinkin' declaration of war.
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The establishment (Obama/Hillary/MIC) radicalized, funded and armed ISIS. They told the American people they were over there fighting ISIS. Even one of my progressive friends who was anti-war during Bush was rooting for us to go over and destroy ISIS. For years, I tried to explain to my friend that they weren't going to fight ISIS, they were just saying that.. I knew that because they were too busy radicalizing, arming and funding ISIS and using them to topple leadership of sovereign nations. Every time I would explain that, he would go off about how horrible ISIS is... we must destroy them.. But why would you trust the people who created and armed ISIS to destroy them? I certainly didn't.
Trump wants to REVERSE all of that. So he is literally going to do the exact opposite. The evil force WE created over there (ISIS) will no longer be funded or armed, and we will send a military force to go over there and clear them out. We funded them, we gave them weapons, in a sense it could be argued that it is OUR military force, that we created, that we can't control, and so it is our moral responsibility to destroy it.
Trump does not plan to attack sovereign nations, just the patches of ISIS that we created and funded.
What part of this is so difficult to understand? This is like the fifth time in this thread I've tried to explain it, I have been talking about how superior Trump's foreign policy is to Hillary's for months. I mean, ya, it might only be like a 6 or 7 out of 10, where Rand is a 9 out of 10 and Ron is a 10 out of 10 - but Hillary is a 1 out of 10. I'll take the 6 or 7 over the 1, thanks.
Last edited by dannno; 03-10-2017 at 04:17 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
What? I just said we created ISIS, what does getting rid of ISIS have to do with world domination?
Now you are quoting CFR propaganda?
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Broken windows and bombed hospitals. Fallacy. You've been here long enough to know that.
$#@! Hillary. $#@! Trump. Neither option shares a shred of difference overall. Trump nominated Pence. Trump voters voted for the ticket. That's not on me. That is on them.
I'm not a progressive. My enemies are my enemies. Period.
Just stop funding. Just stop arming. Let the people of the nations they traffic in handle the situation. Bring the troops home.
What part of that is so difficult to understand?
Again with the Hillary comparisons. Hillary is not POTUS. By now I would think you would realize that.
You said if you break it you buy it, so naturally just keep screwing up with terrible foreign policy and buy the world the same as previous administrations. Meet the new boss same as the old boss.
If 432% is CFR propaganda then tell me what the real percentage is.
Maybe if it can be condensed down to a couple tweets, or if Joe can read it to him on the air.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
guyz just be glad we didn't $#@! up the chances for a liberty candidate by electing an establishment stooge
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
The ISIS is an off-shoot of Al Qaeda, which the US created to fight the Russians. Obama didn't create it; it's been around since before I was born.
We are currently backing 2 different rebel forces fighting each other in Syria, PLUS ISIS.
Trump is there for the MIC and the oil- he is NOT going to de-escalate.
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I'd +rep ya if I could.
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...yeah, we really should let the republicrats 'fix what they've broken'...they have such a sterling record of fixing things only a fool wouldn't want them to continue to fix things...
...ugh...republicrats...
Got it covered. My guess is that dannno will not be able to wrap his head around that concept.
Thanks- I was also gonna rep you, but am currently out of reps for you, as well.
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Your first statement simply bolsters my argument.
I have seen no evidence backing your second statement, but you are trying to claim that Trump is still funding ISIS and fighting the Assad regime?? Even if true, I'm pretty sure any remnants of that operation will be gone very soon.
Your third statement is an opinion that has no basis in fact.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
It's not difficult to understand, for the 8th time in this thread THAT IS PRECISELY THE POLICY I WOULD SUPPORT first and foremost.
If ISIS was some homegrown creation, I would say ya let's totally get out of there, we have no moral reason to stay. But since we funded and created them, there is a moral reason for us to help them out. Not sure if it will help, but it could.
Pence = Hillary
As Rand and even Ron Paul have said on occasion, Trump has quite a few issues where he is vastly superior to Hillary.
You join up with the progressives and start getting all alarmist about Trump, we get Pence.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Bush was Cheney's/CFR's puppet.
Pence is Trump's biatch, for now.
Totally different dynamic.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
The point is that the CFR is actively putting this information out to try and destroy Trump, and you are listening to them and eating it up. Stahp it.
And yes, some of the information from that article turned out to be inaccurate. And yes it is unfair to compare 2 months of Trump to an average of 8 years of Obama... especially the first two months when we knew Trump was going to go after ISIS.
If we are still attacking ISIS in a year from now in any sort of regular capacity, I will likely be pretty disappointed.
Last edited by dannno; 03-10-2017 at 05:36 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Your cognitive dissonance is causing you to twist every direction all at once.
Whereas, that is the only policy I would support.
For you, Trumps policy is "better than Hillary." So, you support Trump. I do not. So, knowing full well the broken window fallacy you are forced to rationalize a reason to support Trump. I do not.
Such a sad little liberty supporter you have become since the days of the Ron Paul Revolution.
Ahh, that would be heartbreaking for you to feel disappointment. I'm sure many families of the innocent people continuing to be killed would feel just as badly as you. $#@!ing war pigs gonna war.
Last edited by phill4paul; 03-10-2017 at 05:33 PM.
If we are still attacking ISIS in a year from now, I will likely be pretty disappointed.
...i have a strong hunch 'we' will still be attacking...and you will still be apologizing...
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