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    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    I could make a mirror-image post with a study or graph for every one of his, to show the opposite. I'd even format it the same! Why, it would be irrefutable! Right? At least as irrefutable as undergroundrr's.
    I was certain you wouldn't click on any of those links, so they're actually dummy url's that go absolutely nowhere or to data that says exactly the opposite of my assertions. You should have an easy task refuting all those claims. I'd start here and here, both treasure troves of irrefutable data.

    In reality, it's a complex situation and issue, a complexity I acknowledged parenthetically in my post, but that undergroundrr did not in his.
    No, but do acknowledge it. That's why I try to rely on data gathered with some intent toward scientific accuracy. The Pew data I cite comes from a study often used by anti-immigrationists to show how socialist those immigrants are.

    Let's not be partisan brickheads!
    Agreed. So you also agree that voting Republican is in no way better than voting Democrat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MallsRGood View Post
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    As I see it, you're proposing that we give up the battle for the GOP, in order to make the GOP more competitive against the Dems.
    Not even remotely close. One can endeavor to keep Democrats at bay while attempting to subvert the GOP. The growth of the Democratic party must be checked. This is not optional if libertarians have any hope of relevancy. Libertarians need time. Time to win the battle for the Republican party, so they can then hope to compete against the Democrats on relatively equal footing while the numbers are still comparable. And even then, convincing people to give up their freebies is going to be very tough.

    A GOP which becomes all about nativism will, in a few decades, be both a permanent minority and non-libertarian.
    ??? The GOP is already on track to be a permanent minority regardless of whatever beliefs they espouse. You seem be suffering from this delusion that if the GOP was a purely libertarian minority that it would be a good thing. It wouldn't. We'd be putting up with whatever the Democratic party dictated to us. In fact, absent any nativism, and a need for immigrant voters, the GOP will have to offer the policies Democratic voters offer to immigrants, which is most definitely not any removal of the welfare state. Projected demographics are not in the GOP's favor and immigration will only hasten the GOP's decline into irrelevancy. Keep in mind that libertarians will get to share whatever fate is in store for the GOP.

    I don't know about you, but I am not keen on accelerating the pace at which Democrats get to reign supreme. And I am not optimistic that if the Republican party dies that there will be a conservative alternative of high popularity. Far more likely is out of the ashes arises a far left party and a moderately left party, much more in the mould of Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    I was certain you wouldn't click on any of those links, so they're actually dummy url's that go absolutely nowhere or to data that says exactly the opposite of my assertions.
    What are you playing at? Has your brain broke, or has mine? Your behavior is baffling.

    So you also agree that voting Republican is in no way better than voting Democrat?
    Why should I care if it is or isn't? Furthermore, if it does not matter, as you assert, why do you care so much if I agree with you regarding it? It doesn't matter! As a note: I meant partisan in a much older and broader sense.
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