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    On Military and Spending, Itís Trump Versus Trump

    That darn Ron Paul, making sense again.

    On Military and Spending, Itís Trump Versus Trump

    By Ron Paul


    Ron Paul Institute

    February 28, 2017

    It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute. Consider his speech last week at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC). It was reported as ďfieryĒ and ďblistering,Ē but it was also full of contradictions.

    In the speech, President Trump correctly pointed out that the last 15 years of US military action in the Middle East has been an almost incomprehensible waste of money Ė six trillion dollars, he said Ė and that after all that US war and meddling the region was actually in worse shape than before we started.

    It would have been better for US Presidents to have spent the last 15 years at the beach than to have pursued its Middle East war policy, he added, stating that the US infrastructure could have been rebuilt several times over with the money wasted on such militarism.

    All good points from the President.

    But then minutes later in the same speech, he seemed to forget what he just said about wasting money on militarism. He promised he would be ďupgrading all of our military, all of our military, offensive, defensive, everything,Ē in what would be ďone of the greatest military buildups in American history.Ē

    Swords into Plowshares Ron Paul Best Price: $9.95 Buy New $14.25 This ďgreatestĒ military buildup is in addition to the trillions he plans on spending to make sure the US nuclear arsenal is at the ďtop of the packĒ in the world, as he told the press last Thursday. And that is in addition to the trillion dollars nuclear ďmodernizationĒ program that is carrying over from the Obama Administration.

    Of course when it comes to nuclear weapons, the United States already is at the ďtop of the pack,Ē having nearly 7,000 nuclear warheads. How many times do we need to be able to blow up the world?

    At CPAC, President Trump is worried about needlessly spending money on military misadventures, but then in the same speech he promised even more military misadventures in the Middle East.

    Where is the money going to come from for all this? Is the President going to raise taxes to pay for it? Is he going to make massive cuts in domestic spending?

    In the same CPAC speech, President Trump reiterated his vow to ďmassively lower taxes on the middle class, reduce taxes on American business, and make our tax code more simple and much more fair for everyone.Ē And thatís all good. So itís not coming from there.

    Will he cut domestic spending? The President has indicated that he also wants a massive infrastructure modernization program launched in the near future. The plan will likely cost far in excess of the trillion dollars the President has suggested.

    That leaves only one solution: printing money out of thin air. It has been the favorite trick of his predecessors. While he correctly condemns the $20 trillion national debt passed down from previous Administrations, his policies promise to add to that number in a massive way. Printing money out of thin air destroys the currency, hastening a US economic collapse and placing a very cruel tax on the working and middle classes as well.

    Following the Presidentís constantly changing policies can make you dizzy. Thatís a shame because the solution is very simple: end the US military empire overseas, cut taxes and regulations at home, end the welfare magnet for illegal immigration, and end the drug war. And then get out of the way.
    There is no spoon.



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    What do we call people like this Ron Paul guy again, @LibertyEagle?

    Leftardarians?

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    It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute. Consider his speech last week at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC). It was reported as “fiery” and “blistering,” but it was also full of contradictions.

    Ron Paul just summed up the entire Donald Trump presidency.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    On Military and Spending, It’s Trump Versus Trump
    Mixes signals abound.


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    5-star thread.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lieóthat the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    It’s Trump Versus Trump
    so it is not just me?
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Spot on. You can't tell a damned thing by what the man says but go by his actions so far. He has made executive orders from the fence to emigrants but where he has true legitimate executive power to recall the troops from the self stated failures, not a step has been done.
    War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.

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    There's really nothing to add to that. It is not possible for Trump to accomplish his stated goals as they are contradictory.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'm going to need to be told the details before I accept the narrative about this.
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    There's really nothing to add to that. It is not possible for Trump to accomplish his stated goals as they are contradictory.
    Ah, but you see... 36D chess! That means he can always say that he accomplished his goals! And, if he loses, he'll still win! Winners know how to win!
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Ah, but you see... 36D chess! That means he can always say that he accomplished his goals! And, if he loses, he'll still win! Winners know how to win!
    For many of his single-issue-supporters, who are well represented on this forum, I think it's 2D checkers: So long as he opposes "immigration," they will happily accept/defend/support all of his other policies, no matter how terrible, costly, and statist.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'm going to need to be told the details before I accept the narrative about this.
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute. Consider his speech last week at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC). It was reported as “fiery” and “blistering,” but it was also full of contradictions.

    Ron Paul just summed up the entire Donald Trump presidency.
    To be fair, that's true of most politicians.

    That’s a shame because the solution is very simple: end the US military empire overseas, cut taxes and regulations at home, end the welfare magnet for illegal immigration, and end the drug war. And then get out of the way.
    ^^^Truth bomb!
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    ^^^Truth bomb!
    Which is another way to say...
    Thatís a shame because the solution is very simple: Get out of the way, get out of the way, get out of the way, get out of the way. And then get out of the way.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Yes, but is he talking about military spending or defense spending? Some dude said on here yesterday that Trump had the same position as Ron Paul on defense spending.
    ďI donít think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,Ē he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. Heís the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    so it is not just me?
    No, it's just not you.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Yes, but is he talking about military spending or defense spending? Some dude said on here yesterday that Trump had the same position as Ron Paul on defense spending.
    Yeah, some dudes on here say a lot of things.

    But when I see Booz Allen, Raytheon and the others with thousands of new job openings, I know better.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Yes, but is he talking about military spending or defense spending? Some dude said on here yesterday that Trump had the same position as Ron Paul on defense spending.
    All weapons can be used for both purposes- offense or defense.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.



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    "That leaves only one solution: printing money out of thin air. It has been the favorite trick of his predecessors. While he correctly condemns the $20 trillion national debt passed down from previous Administrations, his policies promise to add to that number in a massive way. Printing money out of thin air destroys the currency, hastening a US economic collapse and placing a very cruel tax on the working and middle classes as well."



    ...i love ron paul...i have a picture of him and me prominently and proudly displayed in my living room...someone please correct me:..[trump's] 'predecessors' didn't 'print money out of thin air'...they issued 'bonds' [promises to pay in the future]...it is the PRIVATE BANK CORPORATION$ who 'printed'/'print' the money 'out of thin air' which they used/use to acquire the bonds..[and nearly everything else]

    ...it's MUCH worse than the incomplete/inaccurate picture painted by ron paul...ugh..
    Last edited by H. E. Panqui; 02-28-2017 at 06:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    To be fair, that's true of most politicians.
    But Trump has taken double and triple speak to a new low. Seriously there are times when I have no idea what his position is at the moment.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    He likes to shoot from the hip in the moment so he doesn't always know either. Which in a President is a scary thing given how much power they have.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    ^^ON. THE. NOSE.^^
    There is no spoon.



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