Alt-Right are "Garden-Variety Left-Wing Fascists"

[TheCount]

The so-called “alt-right” and its relationship to the conservative movement took center stage in the early hours of the Conservative Political Action Conference Thursday, and the message is clear as far as CPAC is concerned: “The alt-right ain’t right at all.”

That was the title of a speech by Dan Schneider, executive director of the American Conservative Union, the main organizer of CPAC.

Schneider noted that the best way to recognize a counterfeit dollar bill is to regularly examine authentic bills, as Treasury Department employees do. When they see a counterfeit bill, it’s like a slap in the face.“CPAC, we have been slapped in the face,” Schneider said. “There is a sinister organization that is trying to worm its way into our ranks, and we must not be duped, we must not be deceived. This is serious business.”Schneider said that while it’s important to know what conservatism is, it’s just as important to know what conservatism is not.

He said the term “alt-right” had been used for some time, but a few years ago a sinister group, white nationalists, hijacked it intentionally to confuse conservatives and the media.

This group wants to normalize itself, but he assured the CPAC crowd the alt-right is not part of the conservative movement.

The alt-right, he said, “are anti-Semites, they are racists, they are sexists.”

“They hate the Constitution, they hate free markets, they hate pluralism, they hate everything, they despise everything we believe in,” said Schneider. “They are not an extension of conservatism.

“They are nothing but garden-variety left-wing fascists!”

He explained he considers the alt-right “left-wing” because they want bigger government and less freedom.

http://www.wnd.com/2017/02/cpac-orga...wing-fascists/

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[tod evans]

they want bigger government

[Tywysog Cymru]

Yeah, they view capitalism as a Jewish conspiracy, just like the Nazis did.

[BSWPaulsen]

Why is it the best appeal they can make is anti-Semitism, et al? Conservatives have been tagged with those labels for years. It is odd to see them play identity politics so willingly when they've suffered first hand from it.

Bizarre.

Shouldn't the winning argument be focused on disdain for the Constitution, pluralism, and free markets, instead of just making those three factors secondary to identity politics?

[CaptUSA]

Why is it the best appeal they can make is anti-Semitism, et al? Conservatives have been tagged with those labels for years. It is odd to see them play identity politics so willingly when they've suffered first hand from it.

Bizarre.

Shouldn't the winning argument be focused on disdain for the Constitution, pluralism, and free markets, instead of just making those three factors secondary to identity politics?

Agreed. I don't know about all that other mumbo jumbo, but from what I've seen in these forums, the self-proclaimed "alt-right" folks certainly have no problem with giving the government more power. In fact, they seem convinced that giving the State more power and more force will somehow benefit them. They want an all-powerful state to protect them from boogeymen.

[tod evans]

Agreed. I don't know about all that other mumbo jumbo, but from what I've seen in these forums, the self-proclaimed "alt-right" folks certainly have no problem with giving the government more power. In fact, they seem convinced that giving the State more power and more force will somehow benefit them. They want an all-powerful state to protect them from boogeymen.

Weak and ineffectual Eunuchs need government to protect them or settle their differences.

Free men don't.

[TheCount]

Why is it the best appeal they can make is anti-Semitism, et al? Conservatives have been tagged with those labels for years. It is odd to see them play identity politics so willingly when they've suffered first hand from it.

It's probably an argument that he knows his audience will like. CPAC speakers tend to be strongly pro-Israel, from what I've heard and read. A fair amount of the stereotypical religious right Christian Zionist types.

[dannno]

I completely disagree with this analysis..

He said the term “alt-right” had been used for some time, but a few years ago a sinister group, white nationalists, hijacked it intentionally to confuse conservatives and the media.

The white supremacists did not hijack the alt-right, some of them just naturally attached themselves to the movement because some of what the alt-right talks about is something that white supremacists are also into. Just like a lot of White Supremacists were into Ron Paul. That doesn't make Ron Paul a bad person, or enabling white supremacy, it doesn't mean the white supremacists hijacked the freedom movement, it just means that white supremacists attached themselves to the freedom movement because they want to have the freedom to disassociate from other races. I have no desire to disassociate myself from other races, but if they want to do that, then that is their business. To use that against the freedom movement is kind of ridiculous.

This group wants to normalize itself, but he assured the CPAC crowd the alt-right is not part of the conservative movement.

The alt-right, he said, “are anti-Semites, they are racists, they are sexists.”

Again, some people who are those things attach themselves to the alt-right, but it does not define the movement.

Freedom defined the freedom movement, and freedom of (dis)association is what attracted white supremacists to the freedom movement.

Traditional, Christian cultural values and being against the establishment is what defines the alt-right, and white supremacists tend to at least claim to like traditional, Christian cultural values and tend to be against the establishment.

Is it really that difficult for people to see how that particular dynamic works?

[undergroundrr]

I completely disagree with this analysis..

The white supremacists did not hijack the alt-right, some of them just naturally attached themselves to the movement because some of what the alt-right talks about is something that white supremacists are also into. Just like a lot of White Supremacists were into Ron Paul. That doesn't make Ron Paul a bad person, or enabling white supremacy, it doesn't mean the white supremacists hijacked the freedom movement, it just means that white supremacists attached themselves to the freedom movement because they want to have the freedom to disassociate from other races.

So are you saying alt-right members don't generally support using government force to exclude people from America based on religion, race, IQ, ideology or any of that kind of thing?

Traditional, Christian cultural values and being against the establishment is what defines the alt-right,

That's not a definition of anything. It's a whitewash of consistently stated goals of the self-identifying alt-right.

[Tywysog Cymru]

Traditional, Christian cultural values and being against the establishment is what defines the alt-right, and white supremacists tend to at least claim to like traditional, Christian cultural values and tend to be against the establishment.

I don't know, a lot of people on the alt-right believe that Christianity is cuckoldry and that whites should go back to worshiping Thor.

[dannno]

So are you saying alt-right members don't generally support using government force to exclude people from America based on religion, race, IQ, ideology or any of that kind of thing?

What does that have to do with white supremacy? Right now immigration is a huge, government subsidized program. There are a lot of economic and social reasons why excluding people, yes, even by country or whatever, would help to reduce the problems caused by the government subsidized program known as immigration. I don't think that is the best solution, but it is a solution that would lead to more freedom for everyone as a whole, and would end up looking more like what the free market would lead to. That's why most people support it.

That's not a definition of anything. It's a whitewash of consistently stated goals of the self-identifying alt-right.

No, they really hate the culture being produced by modern day leftism, which is distinctly different from our country's culture going back even 2 or 3 decades ago, and more.

[PierzStyx]

The "Alt. Right" would more appropriately be called the Alt. Left. It is nothing more or less than a Leftist political movement to use the violence of the State to enforce their ideal society on everyone else.

[TheCount]

There are a lot of economic and social reasons why excluding people, yes, even by country or whatever, would help to reduce the problems caused by the government subsidized program known as immigration. I don't think that is the best solution, but it is a solution that would lead to more freedom for everyone as a whole, and would end up looking more like what the free market would lead to. That's why most people support it.

[undergroundrr]

What does that have to do with white supremacy?

Should I widen it to a more inclusive race supremacy? Is it equal opportunity exclusionism? Are some of them alt.right Latinos who want whites deported by fedgov due to the Caucasian low IQ, lousy work ethic, habitual voting for statists and poor affinity for libertarianism?

[MallsRGood]

I completely disagree with this analysis..

The white supremacists did not hijack the alt-right

True, they created it.

it doesn't mean the white supremacists hijacked the freedom movement, it just means that white supremacists attached themselves to the freedom movement because they want to have the freedom to disassociate from other races

They don't want free (dis)association, they want forcible dissociation (if not actual extermination).

And they're attaching themselves to the liberty movement because they see it as the best vehicle to advance their agenda.

....not because they share the agenda of the liberty movement.

It's very much like how communists subverted the anti-war movement of the 60s.

Again, some people who are those things attach themselves to the alt-right, but it does not define the movement.

The person who coined the term alt-right (Spencer, the guy who got thrown out of CPAC) is a white nationalist.

white supremacists tend to at least claim to like traditional, Christian cultural values and tend to be against the establishment.

Everyone's "against the establishment," because everyone defines "the establishment" differently.

The SJWs are "against the establishment."

Meaningless

Their only objection to the status quo concerns identity.

They have no problem with socialism (so long as the right people are getting the benefits).

Hence they supported Trump.

[dannno]

True, they created it.



They don't want free (dis)association, they want forcible dissociation (if not actual extermination).

And they're attaching themselves to the liberty movement because they see it as the best vehicle to advance their agenda.

....not because they share the agenda of the liberty movement.

It's very much like how communists subverted the anti-war movement of the 60s.



The person who coined the term alt-right (Spencer, the guy who got thrown out of CPAC) is a white nationalist.



Everyone's "against the establishment," because everyone defines "the establishment" differently.

The SJWs are "against the establishment."

Meaningless

Their only objection to the status quo concerns identity.

They have no problem with socialism (so long as the right people are getting the benefits).

Hence they supported Trump.

Dude, shut the $#@! up, there are probably only like 100 actual white supremacists in this country. I haven't even met one, and most of them are probably Feds like the people writing these retarded articles.

[dannno]

Are some of them alt.right Latinos who want whites deported by fedgov due to the Caucasian low IQ, lousy work ethic, habitual voting for statists and poor affinity for libertarianism?

I would imagine there are quite a few alt-right hispanics who don't want their jobs taken by illegal immigrants who don't have to play on a level playing field.. in fact there are a hell of a lot more hispanics who share the views of the alt-right on immigration than there are white supremacists, you don't get this just sounds like a big joke to most people.

[MallsRGood]

Dude, shut the $#@! up, there are probably only like 100 actual white supremacists in this country.

Dude, get the slightest $#@!ing clue about the people you're aligning yourself with politically.

[nikcers]

Dude, shut the $#@! up, there are probably only like 100 actual white supremacists in this country. I haven't even met one, and most of them are probably Feds like the people writing these retarded articles.

Are you joking? The white supremacist movement has only grown since Trump was president. They had this KKK guy $#@!ing auto dialing people telling them that Trump is the one who will advance their white supremacy. This is something the Russians have been advancing and pushing in order to unite Muslims against us.

They want to make Muslims think that every white person in America is part of some white supremacist movement against the Muslims so they can unite them against us. This is why Obama never said Islamic Terrorism, it feeds the Russian narrative. The Breitbart Mossad regime tried to hijack that movement and successfully did to put their president Trump in power.

[Origanalist]

Dude, shut the $#@! up, there are probably only like 100 actual white supremacists in this country. I haven't even met one, and most of them are probably Feds like the people writing these retarded articles.

Lol, you're full of $#@!.

[Origanalist]

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Traditional, Christian cultural values and being against the establishment is what defines the alt-right, snip

[dannno]

Yes, Milo is great at promoting traditional conservative values, he doesn't want everybody to be gay like you think. In fact I've heard him say precisely the opposite. But you won't listen to him, which is fine, it's just sad that you think you know what he stands for.

[nikcers]

Yes, Milo is great at promoting _______________________________, it's just sad that you think you know what he stands for.

Why don't you just follow the money.."the aim of starting a site that would be unapologetically pro-freedom and pro-Israel. We were sick of the anti- Israel bias ...

[dannno]

Why don't you just follow the money.."the aim of starting a site that would be unapologetically pro-freedom and pro-Israel. We were sick of the anti- Israel bias ...

I've listened to hours and hours of his speeches and interviews, and not once heard him mention the word "Israel". I'm sure he does mention it and talk about it, but it's certainly not a big focus if I've seen him speak and interview for hours without mentioning it.

[nikcers]

I've listened to hours and hours of his speeches and interviews, and not once heard him mention the word "Israel". I'm sure he does mention it and talk about it, but it's certainly not a big focus if I've seen him speak and interview for hours without mentioning it.

Whatever man, I guarantee they would not let a Ron Paul guy work for breitbart. We'll see if this guy has any political power after he breaks ties with Breitbart. If no one knows who his name is afterwards then it was Breitbart propping him up, not his politics., not his principles, not his art.

[dannno]

Whatever man, I guarantee they would not let a Ron Paul guy work for breitbart. We'll see if this guy has any political power after he breaks ties with Breitbart. If no one knows who his name is afterwards then it was Breitbart propping him up, not his politics., not his principles, not his art.

It amazes me how deceptive all of your statements are, it's almost like you craft them that way on purpose..

I'm sure it would have nothing to do with the way that the media portrayed his statements to falsely discredit him..

[nikcers]

It amazes me how deceptive all of your statements are, it's almost like you craft them that way on purpose..

I'm sure it would have nothing to do with the way that the media portrayed his statements to falsely discredit him..

Well you should stop reading into it, I know I have been telling you since even before Breitbart got a position on Trumps cabinet that they were part of the Neocon establishment, before he got his neocon cabinet.

[BSWPaulsen]

They want to make Muslims think that every white person in America is part of some white supremacist movement against the Muslims so they can unite them against us. This is why Obama never said Islamic Terrorism, it feeds the Russian narrative. The Breitbart Mossad regime tried to hijack that movement and successfully did to put their president Trump in power.

Good satire.

[LibertyEagle]

Weak and ineffectual Eunuchs need government to protect them or settle their differences.

Free men don't.

Seriously? All hail the naive as all hell belief that everyone is going to agree to the NAP. And if you don't believe that is good enough, then screw you, you're a fascist, eh?

You are painting with too broad of a brush.

[LibertyEagle]

Are you joking? The white supremacist movement has only grown since Trump was president. They had this KKK guy $#@!ing auto dialing people telling them that Trump is the one who will advance their white supremacy. This is something the Russians have been advancing and pushing in order to unite Muslims against us.

They want to make Muslims think that every white person in America is part of some white supremacist movement against the Muslims so they can unite them against us. This is why Obama never said Islamic Terrorism, it feeds the Russian narrative. The Breitbart Mossad regime tried to hijack that movement and successfully did to put their president Trump in power.

Why is it that some people see boogeyman white people around every corner, while ignoring things like this?

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/31322/
http://nypost.com/2017/02/23/food-ca...-black-people/