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    Justin Amash Emerges as Leading Critic of Fellow Republican Donald Trump

    from Drudge - listed as "Libertarian Congressman Emerges as Leading Critic of Trump..."

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/justin-...ump-1487599201

    The libertarian congressman uses Twitter to challenge and taunt the president

    President Donald Trump’s “constant fear-mongering’’ about terrorism is “irresponsible and dangerous.’’ He needs to “stop attacking the legitimacy of the judiciary.’’ He picked an attorney general with “anti-liberty” positions on surveillance and police seizure of property.

    Those tough assessments come not from one of the president’s critics in the Democratic Party, but from a conservative Republican House member whose district decisively backed Mr. Trump in the election.

    Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan has emerged as one of the leading Republican critics of the president, using a tool Mr. Trump himself often employs—an assertive presence on Twitter—to challenge and even taunt the president. While other House Republicans who were skeptical of Mr. Trump during the presidential campaign have since toned down their criticism, Mr. Amash, who has 100,000 Twitter followers, has remained a vocal critic.

    Mr. Amash says his opposition is based on principle, as a libertarian concerned about government overreach and adherence to the Constitution. While many Republican lawmakers hold similar beliefs, Mr. Amash has been an especially outspoken proponent of smaller government, even on issues—such as reducing surveillance—where his views put him out of step with the more mainstream elements of the GOP.

    “To me, it doesn’t matter whether it’s a Republican in the White House or a Democrat in the White House. I have a duty to defend liberty, defend the rule of law and protect the rights of all of my constituents,” said Mr. Amash.

    The White House didn't respond to questions about Mr. Amash’s Twitter posts or his views of the president.

    Though he counts a large share of Trump voters among his constituents, Mr. Amash says he has little fear of speaking out. Elected in 2010 as part of the tea party wave, he won re-election last year in his Grand Rapids-area district by about 20 percentage points. Mr. Trump saw much narrower support in the district, which he won by 10 percentage points, according to results compiled by the liberal website Daily Kos. Official election results by congressional district aren’t available from the state of Michigan.

    During the GOP presidential primaries, Mr. Amash supported Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky and then Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas. After the release of audio that revealed Mr. Trump making lewd comments about women, Mr. Amash called for him to drop out of the race, though he said he wouldn’t vote for Hillary Clinton either.

    Mr. Amash’s continued criticism of Mr. Trump has at times put him at odds with party leaders, such as House Speaker Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, who have taken on the delicate task of recasting some of Mr. Trump’s comments to make them more consistent with mainstream Republican thinking.

    “Lately, our leadership team seems to be going along with the president regardless of the situation,” Mr. Amash said. “It’s possible that over time the leadership team will recognize that things are getting out of hand and will try to restrain the president.”

    When Mr. Trump suspended immigration from seven Muslim-majority nations out of concerns about terrorism, Mr. Amash responded with a tweetstorm in which he called the executive order illegal. Immigrants with green cards, he said, cannot legally be banned on the basis of their nationality or place of birth. Mr. Trump’s order “overreaches and undermines our constitutional system,” Mr. Amash wrote at the time.

    After the travel ban caused chaos at airports, the administration said the order didn't ban green card holders from entering the country. A draft of the revised rule makes this clear.

    Mr. Amash acknowledged that a president has wide latitude to ban refugees, though not green-card holders. But he called Mr. Trump’s ban on refugees from certain countries “harsh and unwise,’’ and said well-vetted refugees should be admitted.

    When Mr. Trump attacked the federal judges who put his immigration order on hold, Mr. Amash counseled the president to “stop attacking the legitimacy of the judiciary.”

    Mr. Trump has said his immigration policies are needed for national security and that judges are overstepping their role by hindering him.

    The son of a Palestinian refugee father and a Syrian immigrant mother, Mr. Amash says his ideals come from a deep love of country instilled by his immigrant parents. When his father dropped him off at school every morning, he’d tell him he could do anything in the U.S. It’s with that perspective that he objects to the immigration ban.

    “Most immigrants come here to make a better life, and they want to assimilate and be a part of our nation,” said Mr. Amash, who was born in Grand Rapids. “I think we need to remain a country that is welcoming to those immigrants. If my dad’s family didn’t have the generosity of Americans to bring him here, then I wouldn’t be sitting right here in Congress.”

    Mr. Amash says he supports congressional investigations into alleged communications between Mr. Trump’s campaign and Russian operatives, and on Friday requested an immediate briefing from Attorney General Jeff Sessions, director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation James Comey and Michael Dempsey, the acting Director of National Intelligence. He posted the letter to Twitter.

    Another libertarian lawmaker, Rep. Thomas Massie (R., Ky.), who considers Mr. Amash a friend, calls the Michigan congressman dependable in his views. “Justin has consistently criticized Obama and Trump, both of them,” for immigration laws he didn’t agree with, Mr. Massie said.

    Brian Ellis, a Grand Rapids businessman who challenged Mr. Amash in a contentious primary race in 2014, is critical of the lawmaker for not supporting the president, though he himself supported Ohio Gov. John Kasich until Mr. Trump won the nomination. Mr. Ellis says people have approached him to express the same dissatisfaction.

    “I had one person come up to me and say, ‘I didn’t support you when you ran, but the last straw for me was when [Amash] didn’t support our nominee,’” Mr. Ellis sad.

    Susan J. Demas, publisher of the Inside Michigan Politics newsletter, said Mr. Amash showed his political skills at a February town hall in Grand Rapids, the most urban area of the lawmaker’s district. Like many House Republicans in recent weeks, he was greeted by a large crowd angry at the GOP’s agenda.

    Mr. Amash was booed for his opposition to the Affordable Care Act, as other Republican colleagues have been. But by the end of the session, which he extended by 40 minutes to answer more questions, Mr. Amash had calmed the crowd.

    Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush praised Mr. Amash’s approach on Twitter after the town hall, saying the Michigan Republican was “setting the right example“ for conservatives.

    “I think there was frustration, but it didn’t boil over’’ the way it did at town halls held by some other GOP lawmakers, Ms. Demas said. “He’s generally better at listening to people than some of his colleagues.”



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    Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush praised Mr. Amash’s approach on Twitter after the town hall, saying the Michigan Republican was “setting the right example“ for conservatives.
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    Brian Ellis, a Grand Rapids businessman who challenged Mr. Amash in a contentious primary race in 2014, is critical of the lawmaker for not supporting the president, though he himself supported Ohio Gov. John Kasich until Mr. Trump won the nomination. Mr. Ellis says people have approached him to express the same dissatisfaction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    lol
    Before you lol, I think Jeb Bush praised him for his performance at the town hall not for his opposition to Trump. Almost everybody on this forum also praised him for his performance at that town hall, almost everybody cos you were noticeable absent on that thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Before you lol, I think Jeb Bush praised him for his performance at the town hall not for his opposition to Trump. Almost everybody on this forum also praised him for his performance at that town hall, almost everybody cos you were noticeable absent on that thread
    Can you link it please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    Can you link it please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    Can you link it please.
    There it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    Thanks a ton, I don't mess with twitter so this would have taken me forever to find and post
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Before you lol, I think Jeb Bush praised him for his performance at the town hall not for his opposition to Trump. Almost everybody on this forum also praised him for his performance at that town hall, almost everybody cos you were noticeable absent on that thread
    Yes. I don't visit here as often since these days, since currently this forum's most prolific posters are leftists, either knowingly or unknowingly backing world government. Historically, such people have been characterized as "useful idiots", in that they are used to support an agenda which will destroy them.
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    I think Amash has harsher words for Trump than he ever did Obama.

    Hm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    I think Amash has harsher words for Trump than he ever did Obama.

    Hm...
    And I know that Amash had harsher words for Obama's policy that Trump's policies. Btw, I have yet to hear Amash personally criticize Trump, on the other hand, I have heard him mildly criticize Trump's policies.
    Last edited by juleswin; 02-20-2017 at 10:17 AM. Reason: damn you typo
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Yes. I don't visit here as often since these days, since currently this forum's most prolific posters are leftists, either knowingly or unknowingly backing world government. Historically, such people have been characterized as "useful idiots", in that they are used to support an agenda which will destroy them.
    The people you call leftists are the people who have yet to sell out to Trump. They are the ones who refused to support Romney and McCain because they did not find them to be marginally better than Obama. Those people have been here since day one. I think the useful idiots are the one who supported Israeli first Trump because they supported 1 or 2 of his campaign promises that sounded a litttle bit conservative.

    Those people are going to have eggs on their faces in 4 - 8 yrs and that is if they are man enough to admit they have been had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    And I know that Amash had harsher words for Obama's policy that Trump's policies. Btw, I have yet to hear Amash personally criticize Trump on the other hand, I have heard him mildly criticize Trump.
    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    The people you call leftists are the people who have yet to sell out to Trump. They are the ones who refused to support Romney and McCain because they did not find them to be marginally better than Obama. Those people have been here since day one. I think the useful idiots are the one who supported Israeli first Trump because they supported 1 or 2 of his campaign promises that sounded a litttle bit conservative.
    First of all, Jan 2011 isn't "day 1". Secondly, there have always been some leftists on this board, but they were not the overwhelming voice as they are now.

    Those people are going to have eggs on their faces in 4 - 8 yrs and that is if they are man enough to admit they have been had.
    Who are "those people"? People who aren't behaving like little children hating Trump, just because?

    Posters whining that they hate everything and everyone doesn't make them patriots. Nor does promoting the illegal alien overrun of our borders, or "multiculturalism", which are tactics being used by the elitists to finish destroying what is left of our once great nation.

    Trump isn't perfect. I don't recall seeing anyone claim that he was. There are going to be a number of things we all hate. But, I will take those one by one and also praise those things that I think are good. And he has done several very good things in the short time he has been in office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Day1? Jan, 2011 is day 1?
    Day 1 as in May 2007 when this site was founded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    I think Amash has harsher words for Trump than he ever did Obama.

    Hm...
    Care to support that thought?
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Day 1 as in May 2007 when this site was founded.
    How would you know what the site was then? Or are you saying you are using an alternate account?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    How would you know what the site was then? Or are you saying you are using an alternate account?
    No alternative accounts here but I would guess that since this since started off supporting Ron Paul, it was probably filled with radical, principled libertarian types at the start and only got watered down as time passed. The same way you can guess the takeoff location of a flying object by looking at its trajectory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonhowe View Post
    Care to support that thought?
    Just an opinion from a donor and observer. Amash seems to thinks he can influence Trump more by being an adversary than by trying to be friendly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    I think Amash has harsher words for Trump than he ever did Obama.

    Hm...
    So does Ron Paul.

    Hm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    No alternative accounts here but I would guess that since this since started off supporting Ron Paul, it was probably filled with radical, principled libertarian types at the start and only got watered down as time passed. The same way you can guess the takeoff location of a flying object by looking at its trajectory.
    The site was filled with people of all types at the start, it didn't get watered down as time passed but rather diminished in quantity. Ron Paul brought people together, hardly all of them were radical libertarians, maybe not even the majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    So does Ron Paul.

    Hm...
    Ron Paul isn't a politician anymore and has less political influence than Amash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    No alternative accounts here but I would guess that since this since started off supporting Ron Paul, it was probably filled with radical, principled libertarian types at the start and only got watered down as time passed. The same way you can guess the takeoff location of a flying object by looking at its trajectory.
    I think you'd be wrong about that guess. In fact, most of Ron Paul's support came from contrarians. It didn't really matter what solution he was selling as long as he was pointing the finger at the existing power structure in DC. He was able to educate many of his followers because of that, but that isn't what attracted most of them. That's why those same people moved on to Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump. 3 completely different messages, but the themes were consistent - there are forces aligned against you and they need to be stopped.

    That's music to a contrarian's ear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    Ron Paul isn't a politician anymore and has less political influence than Amash.
    Nor was he for 4 years of Obama's presidency.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Yes. I don't visit here as often since these days, since currently this forum's most prolific posters are leftists, either knowingly or unknowingly backing world government. Historically, such people have been characterized as "useful idiots", in that they are used to support an agenda which will destroy them.
    Trump's agenda of making all the rest of the world's taxpayers fund his projects is the essence of world government.

    He loves world government, as long as he's in charge.

    He loves cops.

    He loves government spending.

    He loves socialism.

    He hates freedom.

    He is, by far, the most extreme left-wing presidential nominee the Republican party has ever had. No one else comes close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Nor was he for 4 years of Obama's presidency.
    Of course.

    How is that relevant to Justin Amash?

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    Thumbs down

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    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    Of course.

    How is that relevant to Justin Amash?
    You tried to make it relevant by suggesting that Ron Paul's greater criticism of Trump than Obama was the result of not being in office during Trump's presidency, which obviously isn't the right explanation.

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    Help me out here. Is trump somehow better than Obama? I just see plans for bigger spending and more war (even than Obama!) so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    Help me out here. Is trump somehow better than Obama? I just see plans for bigger spending and more war (even than Obama!) so far.
    You need your rose-colored MAGA glasses to see how awesome he really is.
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