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    Gen. Flynn Out At NSC -- Winners and Losers



    It's open warfare in Washington, D.C. with the latest casualty being President Trump's National Security Advisor, Gen. Michael Flynn. Was it his discussion with the Russian Ambassador or something else that was his undoing. Who benefits?
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    From video: Flynn was targeted by neocons and Democrats over Russia policy. It isn't about the Logan Act.

    Also: Incoming Trump Admin had many contacts with Israeli government, no complaints about that.
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 02-14-2017 at 01:05 PM.
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    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    From video: Flynn was targeted by neocons and Democrats over Russia policy. It isn't about the Logan Act.
    Also: Incoming Trump Admin had many contacts with Israeli government, no complaints about that.
    Absolutely correct. It is part of the NSA/CIA Military-Security industrial Complex political war. It is their hysterical fear that peace, dialogue, friendship and trade could possibly break out with Russia. The whole thing really smells. It has nothing to with how Flynn relayed his phone call to Pence. Flynn was sacrificed. It was a concerted direct political assassination, a take down by the NSA and CIA.

    When they have access to all your phone calls, all your emails, all your finances, spending, relationships, travel, etc., they can always find something to attack. That is why they so love politicians that are the most corrupt or have the most skeletons (McCain, Graham, Hillary). Such politicians will always be on a leash, on their knees doing the bidding of the security complex deep state.

    Target Liberty previously described the CIA/NSA fear of Flynn and how Flynn was already in the sights of the NSA/CIA even before his selection.

    "Flynn is a problem for the CIA. In 2014, he was forced out of his position as Defense Intelligence Agency director, no doubt with a push from the CIA. … Now with Flynn's men all over Trump's incoming administration, it is a real problem for the CIA. … The CIA is fighting for its life---the only way it knows how by destabilization (well, that is one way they know how to change a regime). The "Russia influencing elections" story was well timed. It will dominate news talk shows this Sunday. It is designed to influence members of the electoral college to flip and not cast their votes for Trump. The electoral college vote takes place on December 19."

    Bloomberg today has an article with some insight into the current situation: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...-michael-flynn

    "Michael Flynn just resigned because he “lied” about his conversations with Russia's ambassador to the vice president. … It's about as credible as President Donald Trump's insistence that it didn't rain during his inauguration. … it's strange that Flynn's "lie" to Pence would get him fired. It doesn't add up.

    It'snot even clear that Flynn lied. He says in his resignation letter that he did not deliberately leave out elements of his conversations …The New York Times and Washington Post reported that the transcript of the phone call reviewed over the weekend by the White House could be read different ways. … the Russian ambassador raised the sanctions to Flynn and that Flynn responded that the Trump team would be taking office in a few weeks and would review Russia policy and sanctions. That's neither illegal nor improper. …

    A better explanation here is that Flynn was just thrown under the bus. …

    There is another component to this story … It's very rare that reporters are ever told about government-monitored communications of U.S. citizens, let alone senior U.S. officials. … Normally intercepts of U.S. officials and citizens are some of the most tightly held government secrets. … Selectively disclosing details of private conversations monitored by the FBI or NSA gives the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of anonymity. This is what police states do.

    In the past it was considered scandalous for senior U.S. officials to even request the identities of U.S. officials incidentally monitored by the government … The fact that the intercepts of Flynn's conversations with Kislyak appear to have been widely distributed inside the government is a red flag. …

    Representative Devin Nunes, … chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, … "There does appear to be a well orchestrated effort to attack Flynn and others in the administration," he said. "From the leaking of phone calls between the president and foreign leaders to what appears to be high-level FISA Court information, to the leaking of American citizens being denied security clearances, it looks like a pattern." …

    Three people once affiliated with Trump's presidential campaign -- Carter Page, Paul Manafort and Roger Stone -- are being investigated by the FBI and the intelligence community for their contacts with the Russian government. [but contacts with governments of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Israel, are all fair game] …Flynn himself traveled in 2015 to Russia to attend a conference put on by … RT. …

    Flynn… cultivated a reputation as a reformer and a fierce critic of the intelligence community leaders … Flynn was working to reform the intelligence-industrial complex, something that threatened the bureaucratic prerogatives of his rivals.…

    He was also a fat target for Democrats. … Flynn … at the Republican National Convention from the dais calling for Hillary Clinton to be jailed. …

    Imagine if intercepts of a call between Obama's incoming national security adviser and Iran's foreign minister leaked to the press before the nuclear negotiations began? The howls of indignation would be deafening.
    In the end, it was Trump's decision to cut Flynn loose. … he caved in … this will not end well. "First it's Flynn, next it will be Kellyanne Conway, then it will be Steve Bannon, then it will be Reince Priebus," … Flynn is only the appetizer. Trump is the entree.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul.
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    The resignation of National Security Adviser Michael Flynn on Monday evening raises troubling questions about the role of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the intelligence services. http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...ntel-services/

    "Flynn ostensibly resigned because he provided Vice President Mike Pence with “incomplete information” about a conversation he had with the Russian ambassador … there is no evidence (yet) that Flynn did anything but discuss sanctions in the most general terms. He did not break the Logan Act [which had never previously been enforced ever], nor any other law ...

    the Department of Justice had been eavesdropping on the conversation. And one of the officials responsible for ordering the eavesdropping was none other than Acting Attorney General Sally Yates …

    The … most worrying explanation is that the government was not merely monitoring the communications of Russian diplomats, but of the Trump transition team itself. The fact that the contents of Flynn’s phone conversation — highly sensitive intelligence — were leaked to the media suggests that someone with access to that information also has a political axe to grind. …

    the more serious question is whether our nation’s intelligence services were involved in what amounts to political espionage against the newly-elected government. … How far does that “shadow government” go? The FBI, CIA and other agencies ought to reassure Congress, or come clean."
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul.
    "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne
    "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    the more serious question is whether our nation’s intelligence services were involved in what amounts to political espionage against the newly-elected government. … How far does that “shadow government” go? The FBI, CIA and other agencies ought to reassure Congress, or come clean."
    Wow imagine that, the "intelligence" is actually doing something good for once (keeping checks on an unstable authoritarian who also happens to head the executive branch), and Breitbart finally realizes that they are espionage agencies.
    Authoritarianism and neoconservatism cannot be made great again.
    Trump was an enemy of Ron Paul, before he was an enemy of Rand Paul, before he was an enemy of the Freedom Caucus.
    One thing that he has remained consistent in is his hate of liberty and those who promote it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    From video: Flynn was targeted by neocons and Democrats over Russia policy. It isn't about the Logan Act.

    Also: Incoming Trump Admin had many contacts with Israeli government, no complaints about that.
    The Logan Act charge was just spurious bullshyt from Keith Olbermann. For a charge under the Logan Act, there would have had to have been some evidence that Flynn was negotiating a 'deal' to affect US foreign policy. So far all we have is allegations of a dialogue, and Flynn lying about the extent of his conversations to Mike Pence. None of that qualifies under the Logan Act. Is it possible that he did something illegal? Sure, anything is possible, but there is nothing in the way of evidence to support the working of negotiations, and from all the data that has been released thus far there appears to have been a minor impropriety compounded by a stroke of dishonesty. Again, none of which is impacted in any way by the Logan Act. This is just a stack of baloney sausage assembled by Keith Olbermann.

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    I think a lot of people here are about to get a rude awakening that there are forces working against liberty that are much worse than Trump.
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    Dennis Kucinich comments in a great interview:

    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul.
    "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne
    "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    Trump and Co. need to start plugging the leaks... they need to play some Game of Thrones style leak-tests where info is mixed with disinfo to find the leakers.

    Oh this is getting more fun by the day!
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
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    Author of, War is a Racket!

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    Surely, zippy and cpu have some fake news to share and correct Dr. Paul and his foreign policy ace on what's really going on here. Even Hannity was talking about this very bloomberg article on both of his shows yesterday. Good to have millions of more eyes seeing what the insider state is up to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Dennis Kucinich comments in a great interview:
    Wow! Really great find, thanks. Kucinich nails it.
    The bigger government gets, the smaller I wish it was.

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    Both Flynn and Jr tweeted about pizzagate. Just a thought to keep in the back of your minds.

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    Does anyone else find it alarming that the intelligence community is targeting a sitting president?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unknownuser View Post
    Does anyone else find it alarming that the intelligence community is targeting a sitting president?
    not really

    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    They will have their war with a Russia no matter what.

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    Interesting that pizzagate was brought up in the interview.

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    From Ron Paul Institute: http://us6.campaign-archive2.com/?u=...b&e=bb7d53c10d

    The think tank sinecures are funded by giant corporations which benefit financially orders of magnitude more than they spend on think tanks when the analyst recommends more US intervention abroad or the need to "rebuild" the military. It's a racket. Those engaged in the above merry-go-round simply cannot imagine it worth anyone's time to bother focusing efforts away from Washington and toward the rest of the country. ...

    The insiders, including the intelligence community and what we call the deep state, feel threatened … This is particularly true in the President's repeated promise to get along better with Russia. Too much of Washington has a vested interest in a new Cold War ...

    President Trump's National Security Advisor, Michael Flynn, was the first victim of the ... dangerous alliance of the deep state, the neocons, and mainline Democrats who cannot accept their defeat at the polls … Flynn's fall was orchestrated by the intelligence community, ... The complicit media amplified the false narrative that what would otherwise be expected during a transition -- communication with important foreign governments -- was somehow a nefarious attempt to...well they don't say. Only that he should not have dared communicate to foreign governments before January 20th.

    Only that's not true either. Flynn met with Israeli intelligence officials during the transition to discuss policy on Iran and thus far there has not been a peep about possible violations of the Logan Act or anything else over it. ...

    Since when was it criminal for an incoming administration to talk to those with whom they will soon be formally engaging? … we may as well shut down all the embassies if actually talking to other countries is to be criminalized. ...

    Why didn't [Trump] stand by Flynn? And why is he all of a sudden turning on a dime and making very aggressive pronouncements toward Russia ...
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul.
    "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne
    "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    What interesting is watching Trump (the elected president) go to war with the IC (considers themselves to be the 'permanent government' aka Deep State)... there is some serious $#@! happening behind the scenes. The pillars are shaking and the world hangs in the balance.

    2017 has not disappointed so far.
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope

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    I think this is really catastrophic news for anyone hoping for some non-intervention from the White House, at least pertaining to Russia and Syria. The deep state has cucked the Donald with this move, and I am not sure he will be able to recover.

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    From AntiWar: A Win for the Deep State
    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2...he-deep-state/

    A cabal of current and former members of the “intelligence community,” fanatically opposed to Donald Trump’s stated desire to “get along with the Russians,” leaked the top secret transcript of Flynn’s conversation with Russian ambassador … there was apparently some discussion of lifting sanctions on Russia, which is something the cabal and its collaborators in Congress and the media are determined to prevent at all costs.

    Flynn was in the crosshairs of the War Party because he’s the most prominent of those around Trump who advocated for détente with Russia. …

    Flynn’s alleged “crime” – supposedly lying to Vice President Pence about the content of the call – wasn’t a crime at all: James Clapper, Obama’s director of national intelligence, blatantly lied under oath to Congress and yet kept his position. What this non-scandal is all about is an attempt to criminalize the view that we have no real quarrel with Russia, that our common interests override any bumps along the road to détente. If you don’t go along with a new cold war with Russia then, ipso facto, you’re a “Russian agent” who needs to be investigated. This is what the neocon-liberal alliance is now pushing, and the first victim of this hate campaign is Flynn. He won’t be the last.

    Democrats are now calling for an investigation into Flynn’s “Russia links,” in typical McCarthyite fashion, but what’s really called for is an investigation into the media’s links to the “intelligence community” – which leaked the transcript of Trump’s conversations with Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and Mexican President Enrique Nieto as well as the transcript of Flynn’s conversation with the Russian ambassador. …

    These leaks are clearly illegal: plenty of civilians have been prosecuted and jailed for much less. But legality is not something that worries the CIA and the national security bureaucracy, because they’re above the law. And you don’t bother with legality when you’re engaged in an attempted coup. …

    it won’t stop there. They’ll move on to new targets, and they won’t rest until they’ve bagged their real target: the President of the United States.

    the real danger is that we’re normalizing the illegal and unethical methods of his most determined – and powerful – opponents. Until and unless the Trump administration acts quickly and decisively to rid the nation of out-of-control intelligence agencies that are aggressively intervening in our domestic politics, we will soon resemble one of those Third World nations where coups are routine. …
    It’s an outrage, and what’s even more outrageous is that ostensible “liberals” are cheering the political police.

    And so it is left to the unlikeliest people, such as Rep. Devin Nunes , … “I expect for the FBI to tell me what is going on, and they better have a good answer. The big problem I see here is that you have an American citizen who had his phone calls recorded.” … Where are all the privacy groups screaming now?” …

    “Selectively disclosing details of private conversations monitored by the FBI or NSA gives the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of anonymity. This is what police states do.”

    Since when does law enforcement reveal the content of intercepts to the media? .. they’re being spread far and wide in the interests of a Deep State clique that has a political agenda of its own. …

    By sacrificing Flynn on the altar of political expediency, and caving in to our out-of-control spooks, … this kind of expediency is bound to backfire. His enemies, instead of being appeased, will be emboldened. …

    This isn’t about Mike Flynn. It isn’t even about Trump. It’s about the future of our republic. Will we allow rogue national security officials to run rampant and utilize police state methods to advance their policy goals? ….
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul.
    "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne
    "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.






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