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    gumba of 'the liberty movement' writes: 'If you want to purify the Liberty Movement and exclude anyone who might not agree 100% with Locke, Cato, Bastiat, Ricardo, Mises, Hayek or Rothbard take a look at the success of the Libertarian Party. An irrelevant group of nobodies (much preferable to the relevant lunatics in the D/R uniparty) who fundamentally misunderstand the psychology of the people.'



    ...ugh...way too much radio, brother...turn it off...the succe$$ of any politcal party approaches a direct correlation with the 'dollar$' they have available to them...so yes, your stinking republican party inc. enjoys lot$ more succe$$ than the poor little libertarian party inc...big deal...your republican party 'success' has little to do with the quality of ?your [monstrously twisted] republican 'ideas'....

    ...btw, it's YOU who fundamentally misunderstands the psychology of this person if you think i'm going swallow your notion of 'liberty'...you haven't been honest about this 'liberty movement' about which you apparently hallucinate, but i strongly suspect your stinking 'liberty movement' derives from the same republican party inc. fools/poodle$ who disgrace humanity for a living...NAME SOME NAMES OF THE LEGISLATIVE LEADERS OF THIS 'LIBERTY MOVEMENT'!!...FOR ONCE!..

    ..[sadly, i strongly sense another stinking, phony 'reagan era' coming...many republican party cheerleaders with their fingers stuck in their ears to anything not favorable to the disgusting republican party inc....UGH!....republicrats from sea to shining sea..]
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    gumba quotes bannon's powerful ideas: “There’s only a small core that prepared to take their Tuesday night and not just write a check, but actually throw your being in trying to change this… In a hundred years from now, when they look back, if we come out of this crisis and we are still the country… of American Exceptionalism based upon Judeo-Christian values, believing in freedom, and being the greatest country in the world and the torch of freedom. "



    ...if your republicrat fools/puppet$ are still in control 100 years from now, i have little doubt that the stinking 'history' will read exactly like 'they' want...

    ...hint for republicrats:...as one wag put it, “While boasting of our noble deeds we're careful to conceal the ugly fact that by an iniquitous money system we have nationalized a system of oppression which, though more refined, is not less cruel than the old system of chattel slavery."

    ..[yeah, your stinking 'judeo christian' republicrats are 'exceptional' ]...ugh...

    ...teach the children well, gumba...tell the truth...tell them how your stinking republicrats treat corporations like people and people like corporations...$cream it from the blackboard...
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    Quote Originally Posted by H. E. Panqui View Post
    gumba quotes bannon's powerful ideas: “There’s only a small core that prepared to take their Tuesday night and not just write a check, but actually throw your being in trying to change this… In a hundred years from now, when they look back, if we come out of this crisis and we are still the country… of American Exceptionalism based upon Judeo-Christian values, believing in freedom, and being the greatest country in the world and the torch of freedom. "



    ...if your republicrat fools/puppet$ are still in control 100 years from now, i have little doubt that the stinking 'history' will read exactly like 'they' want...

    ...hint for republicrats:...as one wag put it, “While boasting of our noble deeds we're careful to conceal the ugly fact that by an iniquitous money system we have nationalized a system of oppression which, though more refined, is not less cruel than the old system of chattel slavery."

    ..[yeah, your stinking 'judeo christian' republicrats are 'exceptional' ]...ugh...

    ...teach the children well, gumba...tell the truth...tell them how your stinking republicrats treat corporations like people and people like corporations...$cream it from the blackboard...
    BTW- Judeo-Christian values was NEVER part of the founding of America.

    Overall, Americans hated Jews until waaay after WWII when it became "in" to accept them- then all of a sudden this "Judeo-Christian values" phrase popped into the spotlight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    BTW- Judeo-Christian values was NEVER part of the founding of America.

    Overall, Americans hated Jews until waaay after WWII when it became "in" to accept them- then all of a sudden this "Judeo-Christian values" phrase popped into the spotlight.
    More specifically, it was a Protestant nation. JFK being a Catholic was a huge controversy.
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    More specifically, it was a Protestant nation. JFK being a Catholic was a huge controversy.
    On the liberty report yesterday Ron Paul said the CIA killed JFK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    More specifically, it was a Protestant nation. JFK being a Catholic was a huge controversy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    On the liberty report yesterday Ron Paul said the CIA killed JFK.
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    hanky panky wrote:...if your republicrat fools/puppet$ are still in control 100 years from now, i have little doubt that the stinking 'history' will read exactly like 'they' want...



    ...someone tell that ^^ dumbass panky that it's the banksters who are 'in control'...the republicrat politicians are merely puppet$, fools, hired cretins, etc..

    ...btw, i must thank gumba for starting this thread and transcribing some of the 'great' words/ideas emanating from trumptard bannon...the spoken word is subject to emotional influence...but the written word is frozen...unyielding...when bannon's WORDS ONLY are scrutinized he is CLEARLY exposed as another republican bs artist/$hill...

    ...it's good for cheerleaders for these stinking republicrats to confront the actual crap words/ideas of their stinking politicians, apparatchiks, etc..the spoken word allows for crap ideas/thoughts to be slickly and confidently delivered such that it confuses/fools many people into believing the speaker is truly intelligent, worthy, etc..
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    Quote Originally Posted by H. E. Panqui View Post
    hanky panky wrote:...if your republicrat fools/puppet$ are still in control 100 years from now, i have little doubt that the stinking 'history' will read exactly like 'they' want...



    ...someone tell that ^^ dumbass panky that it's the banksters who are 'in control'...the republicrat politicians are merely puppet$, fools, hired cretins, etc..

    ...btw, i must thank gumba for starting this thread and transcribing some of the 'great' words/ideas emanating from trumptard bannon... the spoken word is subject to emotional influence...but the written word is frozen...unyielding...when bannon's WORDS ONLY are scrutinized he is CLEARLY exposed as another republican bs artist/$hill...

    ...it's good for cheerleaders for these stinking republicrats to confront the actual crap words/ideas of their stinking politicians, apparatchiks, etc..the spoken word allows for crap ideas/thoughts to be slickly and confidently delivered such that it confuses/fools many people into believing the speaker is truly intelligent, worthy, etc..
    Your closed, isolationist mind will be your downfall.

    All able-bodied American Patriots are necessary in our fight with the International Bankers, including those we may disagree with.

    Whether nationalist or individualist, we have a common enemy with massive resources and a lust to dominate all nations, all peoples, and all individuals. If you refuse to work with others to forward a common goal (political independence & sovereignty) then you are your own worst enemy.

    P.S. Even Dr. Paul worked with Barney Frank on civil liberties. It's call coalition building and it's effective in changing heart and minds. Your grandstanding helps no one.
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    BTW here is Bannon (and Priebus) at CPAC for those who care:

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    gumba limbaughs: 'If you refuse to work with others to forward a common goal (political independence & sovereignty) then you are your own worst enemy'.



    ...get real!...the stinking, warmongering, monetary ignoramuses within your gd fool beavis republican party inc. are as much 'the enemy' as the butthead democrats your radio heroes whine about all gd day long!!...your miserable republican fools need to be exposed, ridiculed, spat-upon, etc...sorry, but only an ignorant masochistic dummy or a monster would/could 'work with' your stinking republicans...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post
    BTW here is Bannon (and Priebus) at CPAC for those who care:

    Concerning Bannon's evocation of "economic nationalism" in that interview:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian...mpatible_with/

    When Steve Bannon says that Trump's agenda is 'economic nationalism', he is putting Trump directly in opposition to libertarian values. Economic Nationalism means creating a larger, more powerful and interventionist state to direct economic activity to pursue the goals of the state.

    In practice, this means having tight controls on the free movement of goods and people that is so vital to having free and open markets. It means clamping down on the foreign imports that prevent domestic monopolies. It means strategically using large subsidies to undercut rival nations so that the state can project power at the expense of taxpayers. It means concentrating economic power with elites who retain that power only as long as they loyal to the government and are useful politically. 'Economic Nationalism' means that a nation's economic structure becomes an extension of it's political structure. It means that the disruptive innovators that move capitalism forward are squashed by the state to protect politically useful incumbent monopolies. It means dealmaking that favors the interests of political insiders.

    Trump's 'economic nationalism' is much worse than the incompetence of Sander's socialism-lite, because while Sander's platform might have costed taxpayers a fortune and created a raft of costly regulations, Trump's platform of economic nationalism will erode the institutions that allow free markets and free enterprise to exist in the first place: the rule of law, the separation of powers, political transparency, safeguards on economic freedom.

    We can already see this in Trump's dealmaking with Carrier and Boeing. If these companies aren't loyal: they';re punished; but if they work towards Trump's political goals then in return Trump will shower them with benefits that give them a leg up on the competition. Over time this will tilt the incentives of companies way from innovation and competition and towards loyalty and political influence; if you want to see the endgame of this then just look at Putin's economically nationalist kleptocratic regime. Political dealmaking creates an economic order that is subservient to political interests of the state.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by H. E. Panqui View Post
    gumba limbaughs: 'If you refuse to work with others to forward a common goal (political independence & sovereignty) then you are your own worst enemy'.



    ...get real!...the stinking, warmongering, monetary ignoramuses within your gd fool beavis republican party inc. are as much 'the enemy' as the butthead democrats your radio heroes whine about all gd day long!!...your miserable republican fools need to be exposed, ridiculed, spat-upon, etc...sorry, but only an ignorant masochistic dummy or a monster would/could 'work with' your stinking republicans...
    (Establishment) Republicans hate Bannon. Where did you get the idea I'm a Republican?

    Bannon's an American Patriot. Until I see him sell out (with real proof) I will support him. I will support any Patriot trying to break the Globalist system. Patriots aren't all Rothbardian Indivdualists, but that is okay when you have a common enemy.

    You disagree with me because you see Bannon as a Goldman Stoogie who is co-opting the Liberty Movement.

    I disagree with you because I see Bannon as a Patriotic (Hamiltonian) Nationalist who is in a unique situation to cut the knees off the Deep State and restore American Sovereignty. Putting the Liberty Movement in a position to capitalize on the paradigm shift and promote decentralization.

    One of us is right but none of this has to do with Republicans.
    "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post
    Patriotic (Hamiltonian) Nationalist
    I try and fail to make the mental leap every time you use this formulation. Hamiltonianism is the foundation of the deep state. Patriotism is subjective and you can apply it to whatever you want. But if you find the deep state unpatriotic, you probably want to reassess what Alexander Hamilton represents in American (and world) history.

    But yes, Steve Bannon is indubitably Hamiltonian and, compatibly, Keynesian.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    gumba waves pom-poms and cheers: "(Establishment) Republicans hate Bannon. Where did you get the idea I'm a Republican?"



    ...oh yeah, i forgot...ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS SUCK, BUT ONLY 'THE ESTABLISHMENT' REPUBLICANS SUCK ...MANY OF THE REST OF THE REPUBLICANS ARE ON 'OUR' SIDE RIGHT?!...which reminds me, you haven't named your stinking 'liberty movement' yet...pray tell, from which party do these 'liberty movement' politicians hail?...your silence is deafening...

    'You disagree with me because you see Bannon as a Goldman Stoogie who is co-opting the Liberty Movement.' (gumba)



    ...AGAIN, THERE IS NO HONEST 'LIBERTY MOVEMENT'...YOUR STINKING 'LIBERTY MOVEMENT' REPUBLICANS [admit it] WON'T EVEN HONESTLY BRING UP THE ROOT$ OF THE ROT...private bankster control/privilege, warmongerism, secrecy, etc..obviously bannon's/trump's puny stinking 'liberty movement' rhetoric satisfies you, but i've heard it all before and it sucks bigly...ugh!...
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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    I try and fail to make the mental leap every time you use this formulation. Hamiltonianism is the foundation of the deep state. Patriotism is subjective and you can apply it to whatever you want. But if you find the deep state unpatriotic, you probably want to reassess what Alexander Hamilton represents in American (and world) history.

    But yes, Steve Bannon is indubitably Hamiltonian and, compatibly, Keynesian.
    ^^THIS^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    I try and fail to make the mental leap every time you use this formulation. Hamiltonianism is the foundation of the deep state. Patriotism is subjective and you can apply it to whatever you want. But if you find the deep state unpatriotic, you probably want to reassess what Alexander Hamilton represents in American (and world) history.

    But yes, Steve Bannon is indubitably Hamiltonian and, compatibly, Keynesian.
    A Hamiltonian, like a Jeffersonian, is an individual influenced by the writings and words of these men. Hamilton, the man, was a closet globalist BUT his writings were textbook Nationalist. (Jefferson had slaves but that had nothing to do with Jeffersonianism) Look at the Federalist Papers and his "American System". The American System consisted of three parts:

    1. National Bank (Not controlled by globalists)
    2. Protective Tariffs
    3. Internal Improvements (Infrastructure Projects)

    This is textbook Bannon. Just because Hamilton was a Globalist British agent does not mean that all those influenced by Hamilton are in the same camp. I believe that Bannon is an honest Hamiltonian mixed with some Jacksonian strongman tactics for the purpose of smashing the Deep State. Turns out Trump is a fan of Jackson as well. He put a Portrait of him in the Oval Office.

    As I have said many times. I would rather fight Hamiltonians one-on-one after we work together to defeat the Wilsonian Globalists. The Wilsonian's who gave us:

    The FBI
    The BLM and Conservation EO's
    Income Tax
    The Fed
    Technocratic Elitism
    The Espionage and Sedition Acts
    Prohibition
    "Make the World Safe for Standard Oil"
    Etc.

    One enemy at a time. The Globalist are far more of a threat to us (and the world) than a nationalist. Devolve power to the national level and the localists and Indivdualists will take care of the rest.

    At least the ones brave enough to leave their computers and speak (with respect) to patriotic Americans who disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    But yes, Steve Bannon is indubitably Hamiltonian and, compatibly, Keynesian.
    Worse than that, actually. A Keynesian in the traditional sense should identify the current period as a time of growth and excess during which the government should reduce spending, pay down debts, and stockpile reserves. I'm not sure, frankly, what the term would be for a person who advocates endless, expansive government spending.

    They seem to agree that the first word of their ideology should be National... there may be some argument about the second word of the term.
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    ....ugh...'the globalists' ....ugh...'the deep state'....ugh....sounds like you've picked up a lot of stinking republican-radio rhetoric...ugh...

    ...'let's all join gumba's stinking 'liberty' republicans to defeat the [liberal democrat] 'globalists' ...ugh...

    ...[man i can't wait to see/hear gumba's apologies when trump deliver$ his reagani$h illion-'dollar' 'liberty' budget]....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post
    One enemy at a time. The Globalist are far more of a threat to us (and the world) than a nationalist. Devolve power to the national level and the localists and Indivdualists will take care of the rest.
    A Wilsonian and Hamiltonian are not at odds.

    Even if your centralized national government on steroids should by some lucky stroke turn out to be somewhat better in some respects than your imagined global government, it doesn't matter. Any centralized national power is ripe for the taking by globalists when the next globalism-friendly president takes office. But you go ahead and pretend that trump and Bannon will reside over a 1000-year reich.

    There is no liberty upside to Hamiltonian centralization of power. You assume that solely because of difference of scale, nationalism is better than globalism. Nationalism feeds globalism. It just wraps a county into a nice tidy package to be subsumed. And the stronger the military that trump builds, the more invincible this global government will be once it takes it over. International bankers have a stronger foothold in this administration than they've ever had before. Your idea of giving them more power is insane on the face of it.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by H. E. Panqui View Post
    gumba waves pom-poms and cheers: "(Establishment) Republicans hate Bannon. Where did you get the idea I'm a Republican?"



    ...oh yeah, i forgot...ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS SUCK, BUT ONLY 'THE ESTABLISHMENT' REPUBLICANS SUCK ...MANY OF THE REST OF THE REPUBLICANS ARE ON 'OUR' SIDE RIGHT?!...which reminds me, you haven't named your stinking 'liberty movement' yet...pray tell, from which party do these 'liberty movement' politicians hail?...your silence is deafening...

    'You disagree with me because you see Bannon as a Goldman Stoogie who is co-opting the Liberty Movement.' (gumba)



    ...AGAIN, THERE IS NO HONEST 'LIBERTY MOVEMENT'...YOUR STINKING 'LIBERTY MOVEMENT' REPUBLICANS [admit it] WON'T EVEN HONESTLY BRING UP THE ROOT$ OF THE ROT...private bankster control/privilege, warmongerism, secrecy, etc..obviously bannon's/trump's puny stinking 'liberty movement' rhetoric satisfies you, but i've heard it all before and it sucks bigly...ugh!...
    Justin Amash, Thomas Massie, Brat and Rand come to mind but, to me, the Liberty Movement is about the people. If you want freedom at the State or local level, it's time to elect state or local Nationalists (Go California!!!!). You want people who take sovereignty seriously and refuse to capitulate to the globalists. I know many liberty activists at the local level who are working their butts off in the pursuit of liberty. They are the Liberty Movement.

    Keyword being Movement. Typing will not suffice.
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    "It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds" - Sam Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post
    Justin Amash, Thomas Massie, Brat and Rand come to mind but, to me, the Liberty Movement is about the people. If you want freedom at the State or local level, it's time to elect state or local Nationalists (Go California!!!!). You want people who take sovereignty seriously and refuse to capitulate to the globalists. I know many liberty activists at the local level who are working their butts off in the pursuit of liberty. They are the Liberty Movement.

    Keyword being Movement. Typing will not suffice.
    The mistake here is casting everything as 'nationalist' versus 'globalist'. It's not always that simple, and as you see here, you are going to get some resistance from people you need in this coalition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    They seem to agree that the first word of their ideology should be National...
    This is just psychological. The word "nationalism" is a very un-PC word, so it's very attractive to a certain brand of contrarian to take it on and attempt to nurse it back into the Overton Window.

    In practice, national is equivalent to federal. I don't like a national government any more than I like a federal government. Also, witness the attempt to differentiate between a Hamiltonian national bank and the Fed.

    It's a lot of distinctions being made where there are none, trying to put lipstick on a pig.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    gumba shills for republicans bigly: 'Keyword being Movement.'



    ...good god, your republican-cheerleading rhetoric is pathetoric...AGAIN, your stinking republicans are 'moving' in the wrong direction!!...the more your goddamned republican fools 'move' the deeper into the wood$ we are lo$t!!..

    ...ugh...your poor students...

    ...hint: ...'yes we can' = 'make america great again' ...but the gd fool republicans believe 'make america great again' > 'yes we can'..[apparently the gd fool republicans are math-challenged]
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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    A Wilsonian and Hamiltonian are not at odds.
    Hamiltonianism is a stepping stone to Wilsonianism if you start from a Hamiltonian Country. If you live in a Wilsonian country, Hamiltonism is totally a step in the right direction (back to Jeffersonianism). The Globalists hate Steve Bannon and you guys want to portray him as someone carrying water for the globalist. I'm not buying it without the facts to back it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    Even if your centralized national government on steroids should by some lucky stroke turn out to be somewhat better in some respects than your imagined global government, it doesn't matter. Any centralized national power is ripe for the taking by globalists when the next globalism-friendly president takes office. But you go ahead and pretend that trump and Bannon will reside over a 1000-year reich.
    Because all Nationalists are Hitler.... give me a break. And please, if you could, articulate for me where I have advocated for an increase in "centralized national power". I would love to hear it. (Hint: All of the power is already there! Brought to you by the Globalists. We need to return this power to the States and the People. Can't do that if your country is controlled by foreigners.)

    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    There is no liberty upside to Hamiltonian centralization of power. You assume that solely because of difference of scale, nationalism is better than globalism. Nationalism feeds globalism. It just wraps a county into a nice tidy package to be subsumed. And the stronger the military that trump builds, the more invincible this global government will be once it takes it over. International bankers have a stronger foothold in this administration than they've ever had before. Your idea of giving them more power is insane on the face of it.
    I would love for you to prove that Bankers have more control over Trump than Obama or Bush. This is utter and complete nonsense with zero facts to back it up. Provide some facts if your going to make claims like this.

    And again, as I have said many times in this thread, if Trump and Bannon increase military spending (without slashing the general budget and excessive waste at the Pentagon and CIA) I will change my position. I want to see his budget before I pass judgement. Regardless, it will be hard for any nationalist to do as much damage to our foreign policy as the globalist have done over the past 100 years. Trump has said we wants to end the wars. We will see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    The mistake here is casting everything as 'nationalist' versus 'globalist'. It's not always that simple, and as you see here, you are going to get some resistance from people you need in this coalition.
    +1

    I agree it's not completely black and white but, with that said, I think Bannon (as the nationalist figure in play) is an asset and not a liability. I would be much more afraid of the Trump Adminstration if Bannon was not in his ear. We will see how it plays out.

    Overall, the reason I am fiercely defending Bannon is that I'm sick and tired of everyone, including members of RPF, having these incredibly strong options without any evidence or facts to back them up. If we are going to debate, bring your facts and I'll bring mine. Keep your focus but have an open mind. If you provide real tangible evidence that Bannon is a globalist hack, I will be the first to give credit.

    The video in the OP is the first time I ever heard Bannon speak. His speech was and is much different than the man portrayed on this site and many others (The Crypt Keeper). Bannon deserves a fair shake like everyone does and like Dr. Paul never got. Don't be the same kind of people that would never listen to Dr. Paul.
    "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson

    "It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds" - Sam Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post
    Bannon deserves a fair shake like everyone does
    Sure. But your subject line was an assertion, not a question. Three of its four words were accurate in my view. You invited pushback, not assessment.

    I'm not of the "let's wait until we're in 3 wars and have skyrocketed the debt with military and infrastructure spending before we pass judgement" school.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    Can we go ahead and destroy all governments

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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    Sure. But your subject line was an assertion, not a question. Three of its four words were accurate in my view. You invited pushback, not assessment.

    I'm not of the "let's wait until we're in 3 wars and have skyrocketed the debt with military and infrastructure spending before we pass judgement" school.
    If you read the OP, I said Bannon sounded like he was on our side and that I believed he was a Patriot from what I had heard (from him). Then I invited anyone to tell me I'm wrong by quoting something he has said or by producing evidence to past statist transgressions. What I got in return was mostly baseless claims and feelings about the "enemy" Bannon.

    Granted, I am worried about Bannon on two fronts: He favors excessive military size & worships the police (Check out Brietbart). I will only give him the benefit of the doubt because I believe that both the Military and Police are "Keys to Power". Trump, and the Nationalists, would have already been ousted from power (if they even would had gotten there) if he was opposed to either the police or military. I believe that Trump will try to take care of the veterans, increase military pay, and provide better benefits but I doubt he will put up with monstrous waste at the Pentagon & security agencies. I doubt he will start wars of aggression and create more Wounded Warriors. I doubt he will create more laws for the police to enforce that violate our Natural Born Rights and might even repeal some Federal Laws. He might even appoint a few more Constitutionalist to the Supreme Court. We will see.
    "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson

    "It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds" - Sam Adams

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