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    Elections official asks Trump for evidence of voter fraud

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN15Q01O

    A member of the Federal Election Commission on Friday called on President Donald Trump to share any evidence he has to support a statement that voter fraud caused him and former Senator Kelly Ayotte to lose in New Hampshire in the 2016 U.S. election.

    “The scheme the President of the United States alleges would constitute thousands of felony criminal offenses under New Hampshire law,” FEC Commissioner Ellen Weintraub said in a statement. (bit.ly/2lAnk7t)

    Trump blamed voter fraud for his and Ayotte's losses in New Hampshire in November's election while speaking on Thursday with a bipartisan group of U.S. senators, saying that Ayotte's re-election bid was spoiled by "thousands" of people from neighboring Massachusetts voting in New Hampshire, according to media reports.

    Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton narrowly won New Hampshire’s four electoral votes by nearly 3,000 votes, while Ayotte, a Republican like Trump, lost by only 743 votes.

    Weintraub, who was appointed by former Republican President George W. Bush, asked Trump to "immediately share his evidence with the public and with the appropriate law-enforcement authorities so that his allegations may be investigated promptly and thoroughly."

    Trump said on Sunday he would put Vice President Mike Pence in charge of a special commission to investigate voter fraud, despite numerous studies showing that such fraud is rare in the United States.

    Trump has said that fraud may account for his loss nationwide in the popular vote to Clinton by nearly 3 million votes.



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    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Hmm. Tons of executive orders but nothing on election fraud? http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politi...o-voter-fraud/

    Trump considers executive order on voter fraud

    By Dan Merica, Eric Bradner and Jim Acosta, CNN
    Updated 6:57 PM ET, Wed January 25, 2017

    President Donald Trump could sign an executive order or presidential memorandum initiating an investigation into voter fraud as early as Thursday, a senior administration official tells CNN. The investigation would be carried out through the Department of Justice.

    The move would expand on Trump's interest in the unproven claims he has made since November's election alleging millions of illegal votes were cast, without citing any evidence.

    "I will be asking for a major investigation into VOTER FRAUD, including those registered to vote in two states, those who are illegal and ... even, those registered to vote who are dead (and many for a long time). Depending on results, we will strengthen up voting procedures!" Trump wrote in two consecutive tweets Wednesday morning.
    Been about three weeks since then.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.a83921e2217e

    Trump walks back false voter fraud claim in interview with Bill O’Reilly

    He certainly did not admit to being wrong, but in his own way President Trump walked back his false claim that 3 million to 5 million illegal ballots were cast in the November election when he sat down with Fox News host Bill O’Reilly for an interview that aired before the Super Bowl.

    Asked whether it was irresponsible for the president to undermine public confidence in the integrity of the vote without data to back up his assertion, Trump said, “It doesn’t have to do with the vote.”

    “It has to do with the registration,” he continued. “And when you look at the registration, and you see dead people that have voted, when you see people that are registered in two states — and that voted in two states — when you see other things, when you see illegals, people that are not citizens and they are on the registration rolls. Look, Bill, we can be babies, but you take a look at the registration. You have illegals, you have dead people, you have this — it’s really a bad situation. It’s really bad.”

    O’Reilly pressed: “But the data has to show that 3 million illegals voted” for Trump to be right, he said.

    “Forget that,” Trump replied. “Forget all that. Just take a look at the registration, and we’re going to do it. And I’m going to set up a commission to be headed by Vice President Mike Pence, and we’re going to look at it very carefully.”

    “Forget all that” is about as close as Trump gets to acknowledging he was wrong to claim that millions of illegal ballots tainted an election in which he lost the popular vote. He is basically asking voters to pretend that what he really meant all along is that registries often contain inaccuracies.
    It is common for people who move from one state to another to be registered in both because of faulty record keeping, although there is no evidence that voting twice is an epidemic. People registered in more than one state during the election included Trump’s younger daughter, Tiffany; senior adviser Stephen K. Bannon; son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner; and press secretary Sean Spicer.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 02-11-2017 at 08:35 PM.

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    There's definitely some fraud going on in this thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    There's definitely some fraud going on in this thread.
    Examples? Please provide proof to show that it is indeed fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Examples? Please provide proof to show that it is indeed fraud.


    Take your pick:
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?58229-TheCount
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
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    Zippy's posts are a great contribution.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Examples? Please provide proof to show that it is indeed fraud.
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Mexican woman in Texas sentenced to 8 years in prison for voter fraud

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/11...ter-fraud.html


    A Mexican citizen living in Texas was sentenced this week to eight years in prison for voting illegally in elections in 2012 and 2014.

    Rosa Maria Ortega, 37, was found guilty Wednesday on two counts of illegal voting after she falsely claimed to be a United States citizen and voted at least five times between 2012 and 2014.

    A jury sentenced her Thursday to eight years in prison and a $5,000 fine.

    The Dallas News reported Ortega voted in the November 2012 election and May 2014 GOP primary runoff in Dallas County.

    According to Fox 4 News, Ortega’s identity came into question after she tried to register to vote twice in Tarrant County. Both applications were denied.

    She had voted in five elections in Dallas before her registration was canceled in April 2015.

    Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton – for whom Ortega voted in 2014 – assisted in the prosecution.

    “This case shows how serious Texas is about keeping its elections secure, and the outcome sends a message that violators of the state’s election law will be prosecuted to the fullest,” he said.

    According to the New York Times, Ortega was born in Monterrey, Mexico and brought to the U.S. by her mother as an infant. More than a decade later, her mother was deported and Ortega became a permanent resident.

    In her defense, Ortega testified that she didn’t understand the differences between the rights granted to citizens and the rights granted to legal residents.

    “My mom just used us to get stamps. She never gave us love or guidance. She got deported,” she said, according to Fox 4. "All my life since I worked, I always on my knowledge thought I was a U.S. citizen because I never knew the difference of U.S. citizen and U.S. resident. And the point is if I knew, everything would've been the correct way."


    The Dallas News reported that prosecutors showed that Ortega has checked a box on her driver’s license form indicating she was not a citizen.

    However, the Dallas County election administrator said Ortega had filled out a voter application and checked that she was a citizen in 2015.

    Voter fraud became a hot topic after President Trump made an unsubstantiated claim that he would have won the popular vote if millions had not voted illegally.

    In addition to the long prison sentence, Ortega is likely to be deported, her lawyer Clark Birdsall said.

    "She'll do eight years in a Texas prison," he told the Times. "And then she'll be deported, and wake up blinking and scratching in a country she doesn't know."
    Here let me help you.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    Zippyfed and C-Pud haven't once questioned Hillary or Stein for proof about their allegations of voter fraud.

    And yet, they are here, spreading their shat.
    Last edited by sparebulb; 02-11-2017 at 09:44 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    Zippyfed and C-pud haven't once questioned Hillary or Stein for proof about their allegations of voter fraud.

    And yet, they are here, spreading their shat.
    You should go back into my post history. I was also critical of their claims of voter fraud.

    Found the thread. Looking for the posts. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...uan+jill+stein

    Just jump to the last page.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    One deadline for one procedure of three options to get a recount. Not that it is going to make any difference anyways. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate..._of_fraud.html
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 02-11-2017 at 09:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    You should go back into my post history. I was also critical of their claims of voter fraud.
    And yet, you are here, spreading your shat.

    get used to your new meme, Zippy

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    Zippyfed and C-Pud haven't once questioned Hillary or Stein for proof about their allegations of voter fraud.

    And yet, they are here, spreading their shat.
    How is that relevant? Neither of them are sitting presidents who claim even though they won, millions of people illegally voted for their opponent.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    How is that relevant? Neither of them are sitting presidents who claim even though they won, millions of people illegally voted for their opponent.
    C-Pud, do you think that allegations of fraud should be treated differently whether you are the victor or the vanquished?

    Logic fail on you, C-Pud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post


    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    How is that relevant?

    C-Pud, do you think that allegations of fraud should be treated differently whether you are the victor or the vanquished?

    Logic fail on you, C-Pud.



    Hey C-Pud. You recently had an avatar that was a take-off on that blue-red abstract Snowden avatar. Your avatar was a cat that said "feed." What was that about? Are you against Snowden? Or were you just trying to mock people here?
    Last edited by NorthCarolinaLiberty; 02-11-2017 at 10:37 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
    Quote Originally Posted by Dforkus View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    You should go back into my post history. I was also critical of their claims of voter fraud.

    Found the thread. Looking for the posts. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...uan+jill+stein

    Just jump to the last page.

    Not to the post to which you linked. You just posted an article in response to UWDude. You did not appear to make a judgment.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
    Quote Originally Posted by Dforkus View Post
    Zippy's posts are a great contribution.




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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    C-Pud, do you think that allegations of fraud should be treated differently whether you are the victor or the vanquished?

    Logic fail on you, C-Pud.
    No, I just find it humorous and a bit ironic.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul



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    Didn't the Jill Stein recount find some vote count problems in the Detroit area?

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    Lol resident Dems fail hard. How does it feel to lose all credibility?

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    Dog catcher asks President for evidence of stray dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPtotheWH View Post
    Didn't the Jill Stein recount find some vote count problems in the Detroit area?
    There was also that DNC intern caught registering dead people. The lady in Miami caught stuffing absentee ballots (not sure on details), and electronic voting machines changing peoples vote. Postal employee in Ohio bragged about destroying mail in ballots from a republican dominated district. Democrats admit registering voters then tearing up the registration later if they were not democrat.

    One big fraud would be obvious. When its lots of little ones its harder to detect and all together adds up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seapilot View Post
    There was also that DNC intern caught registering dead people.
    One big fraud would be obvious. When its lots of little ones its harder to detect and all together adds up.
    Paying people to register new voters gives them incentive to add fake names to get more money. But not evidence of anybody voting using those names.

    http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/po...399027631.html

    Porter said while the false applications were filed, no illegal votes were cast in this case.

    "Since the fraudulent applications involved fictitious people, had the fraud not been uncovered the risk of actual fraudulent votes being cast was low," Porter said.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 02-12-2017 at 01:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Paying people to register new voters gives them incentive to add fake names to get more money. But not evidence of anybody voting using those names.

    http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/po...399027631.html
    It never happens? That is very naive thinking. Do not use google to search, they give leftist opinions top and bury the rest. Use Duckduckgo and the search results are completely different. Enter evidence of dead people voting

    Here is just one of many. From a left leaning site.

    http://www.seattlepi.com/local/artic...ce-1163612.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by seapilot View Post
    It never happens? That is very naive thinking. Do not use google to search, they give leftist opinions top and bury the rest. Use Duckduckgo and the search results are completely different. Enter evidence of dead people voting

    Here is just one of many. From a left leaning site.

    http://www.seattlepi.com/local/artic...ce-1163612.php
    Rampant voter fraud! Eight claimed- four identified. Three said they voted for their spouse- one said he only sent in his own. King County has 1.2 million registered voters.

    McFarland said she signed her husband's name and mailed in his ballot, along with her own. She said she had power of attorney for her 92-year-old husband, who was blind.

    "If I did something that wasn't right, you can just throw that ballot out," McFarland said last night.

    Huennekens said one of the P-I's eight cases involved an administrative error that showed a deceased person as voting and would be corrected. In four cases, the signatures on the ballot matched. Huennekens said officials needed further information or could not track down enough information on the other cases.

    Election officials said that if cases merit potential fraud, they would forward them on for prosecution.

    King County keeps a voter list as a record of who voted in elections and to establish requirements for levies and bonds, Logan said.

    The preliminary voter list shows that Mary Coffey mailed in a ballot. But the 51-year-old Seattle woman died about two weeks before absentee ballots were mailed.

    "She couldn't have (voted). She died on Sept. 29," said her husband, Michael Coffey. He added that he voted by mail, but destroyed his wife's ballot when it arrived in the mail.

    "I don't see how she could have voted. It doesn't make sense. There has to be some kind of error that happened."

    Election officials were still looking into what happened in her case.

    Bob Holmgren said yesterday that he voted on behalf of his late wife, Charlette Holmgren, who died Sept. 29. The West Seattle man filled out his own ballot and hers, and signed both of them.

    "Her vote was important to her," Holmgren said. "She was very strongly against Governor-elect Gregoire." Election officials said all signatures on absentee ballots were doubled-checked against the signature on record.
    It does happen, but it is extremely rare. Nothing near the three million illegal immigrants voting Trump tried to claim. Most "evidence" is just poor paperwork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seapilot View Post
    There was also that DNC intern caught registering dead people. The lady in Miami caught stuffing absentee ballots (not sure on details), and electronic voting machines changing peoples vote. Postal employee in Ohio bragged about destroying mail in ballots from a republican dominated district. Democrats admit registering voters then tearing up the registration later if they were not democrat.

    One big fraud would be obvious. When its lots of little ones its harder to detect and all together adds up.
    It's not going to add up to millions, and probably not even thousands in a single state like NH.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    thanks to Trump, we're finally having a 'conversation' over this issue...win win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    It's not going to add up to millions, and probably not even thousands in a single state like NH.
    can you post a link to your findings?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    thanks to Trump, we're having a 'conversation' over this issue...win win.
    The real goal of claiming voter fraud is to reduce people's eligiblity to cast votes. Restricting real voters.

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    The real goal of denying voter fraud is to destroy America and empower murderous Communist sh1tbags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    can you post a link to your findings?...
    Some interesting numbers.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.7fecc91a1fb4

    Trump lost the state by 2,700 votes — a narrow margin but in a small state. It came down to about 0.4 percent of votes cast. Trump reportedly claimed that the difference was because of people being bused in from Massachusetts. He also claimed that former senator Kelly Ayotte (R) lost her race for the same reason.

    That’s weird, though, because Ayotte lost only by 1,000 votes. What’s more, Hillary Clinton earned about 6,000 fewer votes in the state than did the Democratic Senate candidate, Maggie Hassan. Trump got about 7,800 fewer votes than Ayotte. So how does that work? People came in to vote just for Hassan but not Clinton? Did some illegal voters come in to vote for Ayotte but not Trump? In the same election, New Hampshirites elected Chris Sununu as governor. He’s a Republican. Were the illegal voters told to cast votes only for Senate and the presidency? This is a complicated operation, to be sure.

    Fergus Cullen, who ran the state Republican Party in 2007 and 2008, expressed skepticism about the bused-in-voters claim on Twitter. “I will pay $1000 to 1st person proving even 1 out-of-state person took bus from MA 2 any NH polling place last Election Day,” he wrote. It’s a safe bet; a review of a decade of news reports on Nexis about voter fraud arrests in the state turned up the following:

    A man from Manchester, N.H., who said he lived in Salem, N.H., to vote there.
    A state representative who tried to cover up the fact that he’d moved out of his district.

    The end.
    They did find two examples in a ten year period.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 02-12-2017 at 02:14 PM.

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