President Trump should work to repeal and replace Obamacare with nothing!

[johnwk]

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Those who support and defend our written Constitution and the intentions and beliefs under which it was adopted, and who especially support our Constitution’s Tenth Amendment and federalism, certainly know our federal government has not be granted any authority whatsoever to enter the states to tax for, spend on, regulate and control the peoples' decisions and choices regarding their health-care needs. Keep in mind, however, that our federal government does have a legitimate responsibility to care for our military war veterans.


So, what is the proper path to follow? President Trump ought to promote legislation which repeals and replaces Obamacare with nothing! The legislation ought to first declare that in view of our federal government’s defined and limited powers, and that under the 10th Amendment all power not delegated to our federal government are reserved to the states and people therein, that Congress is not authorized to enter the States to tax for, spend on and regulate the people’s decisions and choices regarding their health-care needs.


The proposal ought to continue by setting a specific date, such as January 1st, 2018, when the federal government will no longer tax for, spend on nor regulate the people’s decisions regarding the health-care needs.


In addition, the legislation must also stipulate that the federal government will reduce federal taxes, across the board, by the amount now spent on Medicaid and subsidies to the poor, leaving that money within the States so each State may have access to these funds in order to deal with their own poor and needy who now rely upon federal assistance for their health-care


This of course is very much in harmony with our Founders intentions which are summarized in Federalist No. 45:


“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.


The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.”


And with regard to Congress’ legitimate power to regulate commerce among the states to insure free trade and competition among the States, The McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945 ought to be repealed by the proposed legislation, which would go a long way to end price fixing, restraint of interstate trade and commerce, and a monopolizing of the insurance industry, which has without question allowed the cost of health insurance to skyrocket over the years.


Let us work to return to our founding principles, especially the Tenth Amendment and federalism, our Constitution’s plan.


JWK




"If the Constitution was ratified under the belief, sedulously propagated on all sides, that such protection was afforded [the 10th amendment], would it not now be a fraud upon the whole people to give a different construction to its powers?"___ Justice Story

[69360]

That's not politically viable.

[CPUd]

Repeal and replace is no good. They are talking about repair instead. Some time next year. Maybe.

[Working Poor]

The people have been propagandized to believe the government must be involved in health care it would be pretty difficult to undo that.

[nikcers]

The people have been propagandized to believe the government must be involved in health care it would be pretty difficult to undo that.

The people have been brainwashed to believe that moral people would let others die if they weren't forced to give them their money. I think this does change the way people make moral decisions- I think you are what you eat.

[johnwk]

The people have been brainwashed to believe that moral people would let others die if they weren't forced to give them their money. I think this does change the way people make moral decisions- I think you are what you eat.

I believe our federal government now spends approximately $950 Billion on “health-care” [Medicaid, CHIP, Medicare, and Obamacare subsidies]. I see nothing wrong with reducing federal taxes by that amount, leaving this money within the States, which in turn allows the States and people therein to deal with “health-care” as they individually see fit. Just imagine the enormous saving from doing this ___ no more federal bureaucracy employees who now get outrageous salaries and pensions which hard working American citizens are taxed to finance. We need to rid ourselves of this federal welfare parasitic Cartel which lives large on the American taxpayer’s hard earned wages.


JWK

Our Washington Establishment welfare cartel, which has enslaved the American People, needs to be terminated, and powers not granted to the federal government must be returned the states and people therein.

[presence]

You will never get rid of obamacare or some variant thereof without first getting rid of the Department of Education, the Patent Office, and the FDA; all of which are Executive functions.

Socialism entitlements for the poor become all but necessary in the face of Regulatory Capture Corporatism entitlements for the rich.

[Anti Federalist]

That's not politically viable.

So pass the very same legislation that was passed under Obama multiple times.

[69360]

So pass the very same legislation that was passed under Obama multiple times.

They probably will. But no, I think people need to be eased out of depending on the state incrementally.

[Murray N Rothbard]

Agree.

Need to be repealing more laws than we pass.

[johnwk]

If federal taxes were reduced in your State by the amount the Federal government now spends on Medicare, including its federal bureaucracy, and keeping that money in your State, could your State continue a Medicare program in your State in a much more efficient manner which would begin with abandoning all the federal regulations which have caused Medicare costs to skyrocket?

Seems to me our bloated federal government is the problem and not the solution. It is filled with a swarm of blood sucking parasitic employees who live large on every States taxpaying citizen’s dime.

JWK

The American People need to rid themselves of the Washington Establishment welfare cartel which has enslaved them, and return powers to the States and people therein which are not granted to the federal government

[Sonny Tufts]

I believe our federal government now spends approximately $950 Billion on “health-care” [Medicaid, CHIP, Medicare, and Obamacare subsidies]. I see nothing wrong with reducing federal taxes by that amount, leaving this money within the States, which in turn allows the States and people therein to deal with “health-care” as they individually see fit. Just imagine the enormous saving from doing this ___ no more federal bureaucracy employees who now get outrageous salaries and pensions which hard working American citizens are taxed to finance. We need to rid ourselves of this federal welfare parasitic Cartel which lives large on the American taxpayer’s hard earned wages.

This could lead to 50 separate state bureaucracies which would not have the economies of scale that Medicare now has.

[Madison320]

President Trump ought to promote legislation which repeals and replaces Obamacare with nothing!

I agree but it won't happen until we go broke. In a twisted way Obamacare or Trumpcare could actually speed up the process.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

But everybody is now covered! It's free!

[seapilot]

Then the insurance companies and welfare dependents would scream foul. Riots so far would look like a picnic on the beach compared to the ones later. GOP hates sick people! I will be happy if they get rid of the mandate and penalty quickly, that would at least be a good start.

[Superfluous Man]

I'd rather see a repeal, and then repeal some more, bill.

Repeal Obamacare, but don't just leave us back where we were 7 years ago. Also repeal all the other regulations that made such a mess of our healthcare system before that. Get rid of the tax incentives to make health insurance part of employees' compensation packages. Legalize mutual aid societies. Get rid of requirements of what must be covered in health insurance and let its buyers and sellers come up with creative ways to meet the demands that are out there as efficiently as possible. Etc.

[johnwk]

This could lead to 50 separate state bureaucracies which would not have the economies of scale that Medicare now has.

The bureaucracies are already in place in every state! If they cannot figure out a plan to cover those in their state who are now on Medicare, then they need to be replaced.


JWK

[Sonny Tufts]

The bureaucracies are already in place in every state! If they cannot figure out a plan to cover those in their state who are now on Medicare, then they need to be replaced.

My guess is that any State that wanted to institute its own version of Medicare would see both its bureaucracy and its taxes skyrocket. In addition, most States would be a competitive disadvantage compared to the federal government with respect to negotiating with the health care providers (including drug companies*) for lower costs.

*Edit: Medicare can't negotiate drug prices; Medicaid can.

[johnwk]

My guess is that any State that wanted to institute its own version of Medicare would see both its bureaucracy and its taxes skyrocket. .

So? That is the problem of the People within each State. One thing for sure, our pinko states like California and New York would immediately learn there is no "free government cheese"


JWK


The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people.___ Tenth Amendment

[Ender]

I'd rather see a repeal, and then repeal some more, bill.

Repeal Obamacare, but don't just leave us back where we were 7 years ago. Also repeal all the other regulations that made such a mess of our healthcare system before that. Get rid of the tax incentives to make health insurance part of employees' compensation packages. Legalize mutual aid societies. Get rid of requirements of what must be covered in health insurance and let its buyers and sellers come up with creative ways to meet the demands that are out there as efficiently as possible. Etc.

Just get .gov out of the medical and insurance business.

Imagine medicine under free trade and real capitalism- people could actually afford to go to the doctor.

[johnwk]

I still believe Obamacare ought to be repealed and replaced with nothing! Our federal government has not been granted power to enter the States and meddle in the people's decisions and choices regarding their health care needs.


JWK



Obamacare by consent of the governed, Article 5, our Constitution`s amendment process. Tyranny by a majority vote in Congress or a Supreme Court's majority vote

[eleganz]

That's not politically viable.

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Rand still has a great replacement plan that everyone can get behind.

[opal]

The people have been propagandized to believe the government must be involved in health care it would be pretty difficult to undo that.

not in this house we weren't