Originally Posted by donnay
Yes very confused.
Here is the vaccine insert for the MMR-II
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_.../mmr_ii_pi.pdf
The side effects and contraindications are staggering.what is this crap?virus propagated in chick embryo cell culture
virus propagated in chick embryo cell cultureYes, everyone should read a vaccine package insert before choosing to receive a vaccine for themselves or their children. Even the CDC recommends that you read the vaccine package inserts.what is this crap?
7 Most Disgusting Ingredients Used to Make Vaccines
Disgusting Ingredient #1: Cells From Aborted Fetus
Disgusting Ingredient #2: Serum From Aborted Calf Fetus Blood
Disgusting Ingredient #3: Cells From Armyworms
Disgusting Ingredient #4: Cells From Monkey Kidneys
Disgusting Ingredient #5: Cells From Dog Kidneys
Disgusting Ingredient #6: Mouse Brain
Disgusting Ingredient #7: Chicken Embryos
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
(1 John 4:18)
Virus grown in eggs. A common technique.what is this crap?
Everything is fully controlled of course.
Bogus fear monger list. Aborted fetus cells? There were two babies aborted in the early 1960's and the mothers wanted to do something good with them so they authorized donating tissue (not different from donating organs) to create stem cell lines. No baby has been aborted to create any vaccines since- and that was over 50 years ago. Yes, those stem cell lines are still active but are so removed from the event that even the Catholic Church says it is OK to use vaccines created from them. Only a couple of vaccines use those stem cell lines- mostly Rubella (German measles). They argue that it is the "greater good" to get vaccinated- even with those vaccines- than to avoid the vaccines on moral grounds.
Vatican letter on the topic which also explains the origins of the cell lines: http://www.immunize.org/concerns/vaticandocument.htm
There is always a fresh supply of aborted fetus tissue, thanks to Planned Parenthood.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
I can't say who does or does not abort fetuses but they are not being used to produce vaccines. Last one used for that was 50 years ago.
Yeah you keep telling yourself that...
Human Protein/DNA
http://www.vaccine-tlc.org/human
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Happy anniversary!
Please read your link. The stem cell line dates from the 1960's.
Fetal Cell Lines
The MRC-5 cell line was developed in September 1966 from lung tissue taken from a 14 week fetus aborted for psychiatric reasons from a 27 year old physically healthy woman. MRC-5 is a known source of human DNA in vaccines.
The WI-38 human diploid cell line was derived by L. Hayflick from the lung tissue of a 3-month old aborted human female fetus.
The rubella vaccine currently used in the U.S. and in most countries was developed after an American researcher at the Wistar Institute cultured rubella virus from a fetus aborted because the mother was infected with rubella. This vaccine is called RA 27/3 because the rubella virus was isolated from the 27th aborted fetus sent to the Wistar Institute in the 1964 rubella outbreak. For more information, scroll down to the section titled Rubella Vaccine Derived From Aborted Fetus Fuels Controversy.
Yes, does that make it any better? Seriously you act as if it is not a problem. Just like the polio was tainted with SV40 from 1955-61.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
I wonder if our taxes pay for Zippy's postings.
Yes- it is worth panic over something which has not happened in over 50 years.
What use does a dead fetus have for its stem cells?
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
Still used to cultivate certain vaccines-- don't be so foolish.Yes- it is worth panic over something which has not happened in over 50 years.
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...varivax_pi.pdfThis product also contains residual components of MRC-5 cells including DNA and protein. – Varivax insert, pages 6-7.
In case you are wondering, MCR 5 is code for the 14 week-old baby boy that was aborted in 1966 supplying tissue from his lungs for this vaccine.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Just as I posted. The abortion was over 50 years ago. No babies being aborted today to make vaccines. The cells are thousands of generations from the original ones- even the Vatican says that getting vaccinated is more important than the "vaccines come from aborted fetuses" question because it is so far removed from the original event. And it is only one or two vaccines using the stem cell lines.
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 02-11-2017 at 07:55 PM.
“Vaccine Safety Under Question Mark” Symposium Held In Belgium
http://www.activistpost.com/2017/02/...d-belgium.html
February 18, 2017
By Catherine J. Frompovich
It seems as if the entire global consciousness is awakening at the same time regarding vaccine safety and toxicology. Who would ever have thought Big Pharma’s ‘sacred cows’ would become not only the bane of society but also the scourge of science? However, it’s about time and, hopefully, not too late!
The EU’s Global Media reports a most auspicious meeting of vaccine researchers, safety advocates and activists was held in Brussels on February 9, 2017 with such luminaries as Dr Andrew Wakefield; French virologist Luc Antoine Montagnier; Italian research scientist Stefano Montanari of the recently published paper on 43 vaccines tested containing toxic micro-metals; Srecko Sladoljev of the Institute of Immunology-Zagreb; German pediatrician Stefan Schmidt Troschke; European Forum for Vaccine Vigilance’s Kris Gaublomme; Dr Lidija Gajski; Helen Kimball Brooke of London- UK; and Michele Rivasi of the French Green Party/European Free Alliance – all questioning medicine’s unproven mantra ‘vaccines are safe’.
Read more: http://www.activistpost.com/2017/02/...d-belgium.html
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...lar+Content%29Robert De Niro on vaccine safety: 'Something's wrong'
Published February 19, 2017 New York Pos
Robert De Niro still can’t fully support vaccination.“Where is the science?” he asked in an interview on “Full Measure with Sharyl Attkisson.”
“Here’s what we have from all these studies and here’s what they have so it seems like something is not right,” the 73-year-old actor said.
The Center for Disease Control and Prevention declared that there is no connection between and vaccines and autism, however according to the interview clip, De Niro — who is the father of an autistic child — has his doubts.
“Who settled it, how is it settled?” he said in regards to the CDC’s claim.
A year after he nixed a documentary that accused the CDC of covering up the link between vaccines and rising autism rates from the Tribeca Film Festival, the actor joined forces with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in questioning the safety of vaccinating children and pregnant women.
Kennedy claimed that he had been selected to chair a new vaccine safety commission in the Trump administration when he spoke at The National Press Club in Washington about the issue.
“On one hand, the government is telling pregnant women which mercury-laced fish to avoid so that they don’t harm their fetuses, and on the other, the CDC supports injecting mercury-containing vaccines into pregnant women, infants and children,” Kennedy said.
De Niro who joined Kennedy in DC, said he isn’t completely anti-vaccine but is demanding more information.
“I take vaccines all the time, and my kids have gotten [vaccinated] but there’s something wrong and its got to be fixed,” he said.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
1) formaldehyde is produced in your body. It is used to make necessary amino acids as well as DNA.
2) How much is in there? A few molecules left over from cleaning the equipment to produce the vaccine- less than one tenth of a microgram.
http://www.chop.edu/centers-programs...s/formaldehyde
Formaldehyde is essential in human metabolism and is required for the synthesis of DNA and amino acids (the building blocks of protein). Therefore, all humans have detectable quantities of natural formaldehyde in their circulation (about 2.5 ug of formaldehyde per ml of blood). Assuming an average weight of a 2-month-old of 5 kg and an average blood volume of 85 ml per kg, the total quantity of formaldehyde found in an infant's circulation would be about 1.1 mg, a value at least five times more than the amount an infant would be exposed to in vaccines.
Quantities of formaldehyde at least 600 times more than the amount contained in vaccines have been given safely to animals.
Zippy, if you are not on a payroll why do you stand for ideas where you have to act as a piñata?
http://www.westonaprice.org/health-t...s-in-vaccines/FORMALDEHYDE OR FORMALIN
I personally became aware of what formaldehyde is most commonly used for through our local mortician several years ago. After my son died, we met with the funeral directors to begin planning our son’s funeral. During our grief-ridden conversations, we came to the conclusion that we needed to wait a week to have the funeral. My father-in-law had graciously offered to make his casket from scratch, and that takes time. Knowing the time constraints from death to burial (or at least what I thought I knew), I thought this might be an issue. The funeral director (also the head mortician) assured us it would not be a problem because the formalin used in the embalming process would preserve his precious little body so that we wouldn’t need to worry about waiting a week. “What’s formalin?” I asked. “Formaldehyde,” he answered. Formalin is an aqueous, or watery, form of formaldehyde. When I learned that formaldehyde or formalin were ingredients in vaccines, I felt sick to my stomach.
Formaldehyde is toxic and is known to cause cancer. The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) classifies formaldehyde as a human carcinogen.5
In 2011, the National Toxicology Program, an interagency program of the Department of Health and Human Services, named formaldehyde as a known human carcinogen.6 In addition, 10-20 percent of the general population may be susceptible to formaldehyde allergies and may react acutely at any exposure level.
Formaldehyde is oxidized to formic acid which leads to acidosis and nerve damage. Acidosis can be described as a condition in which the acidity of the body tissues and fluids is abnormally high. The liver and the kidneys may also be damaged.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
That can be true at very high doses. The amount in a vaccine is practically non-existent.Formaldehyde is oxidized to formic acid which leads to acidosis and nerve damage. Acidosis can be described as a condition in which the acidity of the body tissues and fluids is abnormally high. The liver and the kidneys may also be damaged.
http://www.dovemed.com/diseases-cond...yde-poisoning/
That is- people exposed to high levels over long periods. Formaldehyde is common in nature and in most of the foods you eat.What are the Risk Factors for Formaldehyde Poisoning? (Predisposing Factors)
The risk factors associated with Formaldehyde Poisoning include:
Working frequently with materials and chemicals that contain formaldehyde
Occupations that involve using formaldehyde and formaldehyde-containing resins that are used in the manufacture of glass mirrors, explosives, artificial silks, and dyes
Is it practically nonexistent to a little child who receives 49 doses before they are six years old?
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Really? Common in MOST foods you eat? Link please? Is this belief similar to the one you have where pharmaceutical companies rely on the VAERS database to list side effects in the pamphlets of their vaccines??
Once again, you point out to natural ways toxins enter our bodies (like eating and passing through the digestive system where the kidney and other immune protecting systems eliminate the toxins) to injecting a small baby with these toxins directly into their muscles. Very illogical comparison.
Just for the record Zip, still waiting for answers to these questions from you regarding vaccines that I have asked in previous threads:
So answer this question: Do you believe the "science is settled" on vaccines, and that ALL children should be vaccinated with ALL vaccines, by force if necessary?Do you believe nurses and other healthcare workers should be mandated to take the flu shot as a condition for employment?Do you believe as a matter of routine premies should get ALL the required CDC vaccinations at birth and two months (where normally they would not have been born yet) as do full-term babies?
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
(1 John 4:18)
https://www.reference.com/food/foods...4cb5d19fe0e730
Foods know to contain formaldehyde: (pdf) http://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/whatsn...rmaldehyde.pdfFormaldehyde is most widely known as an embalming agent that prevents dead organisms from decaying and decomposing. However, the chemical also occurs widely in nature, and it is even produced inside the human body as a natural part of the digestive process. When enzymes break down larger organic molecules like sugars, proteins and alcohols, they form many decomposition products, including formaldehyde
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Large amounts of formaldehyde can cause tissue damage and may contribute to incidences of throat and stomach cancer. While formaldehyde causes numerous negative health effects in large quantities, the levels of formaldehyde found in most foods or produced internally are far too small to cause concern. Just as the body possesses enzymes that break down more complex organic chemicals into formaldehyde, it also contains other enzymes that break formaldehyde and other byproducts down into even simpler compounds. It is only when the levels of formaldehyde in a person's system exceed the amounts enzymes can effectively control that the chemical becomes a potential health threat.
Includes apples, bananas, milk, meats, nuts, green leafy vegetables (only a partial list).
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 02-22-2017 at 01:08 PM.
Yes. One banana contains more formaldehyde.
Which means we are inundated with formaldehyde all around us, where we are being embalmed before we are dead. So lets continue to add more of the carcinogenic compound in vaccines, what could it hurt?
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
@ZippyjuanZippy, if you are not on a payroll why do you stand for ideas where you have to act as a piñata?
Adding mention to see if it helps.
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