"When you vote, you are a citizen."Originally Posted by Schifference
lol
Right, that's actually more realistic, the 3-4 million figure is a very conservative estimate.
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Trump Won’t Back Down From His Voting Fraud Lie. Here Are the Facts.
WASHINGTON — During a private meeting with congressional leaders on Monday, President Trump asserted that between three million and five million unauthorized immigrants had voted for his Democratic opponent and robbed him of a victory in the national popular vote.
There is no evidence to support the claim, which has been discredited repeatedly by numerous fact-checkers.
That did not stop Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, from standing by the president’s words on Tuesday during a briefing with reporters at the White House. “As I said, I think the president has believed that for a while based on studies and information he has,” Mr. Spicer said.
That much appears to be true. Mr. Trump repeatedly raised doubts about the integrity of the American voting system in the period before the election in November and has falsely said since his victory that millions of people voted illegally.
Pressed to present the evidence on Tuesday, Mr. Spicer appeared to conflate two different studies that Mr. Trump’s staff had previously cited in defending his claim. “There’s one that came out of Pew in 2008 that showed 14 percent of people who voted were noncitizens,” Mr. Spicer said. “There’s other studies that have been presented to him.”
Here are the facts
Neither study Mr. Spicer apparently referred to supports Mr. Trump’s claim.
The first study was conducted in 2014 by professors at Old Dominion University and discussed on Monkey Cage, a blog hosted by The Washington Post. Using data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, the researchers found that 14 percent of noncitizens who responded to the survey in 2008 and 2010 said they were registered to vote.
The problem is that the study relied on flawed data and was roundly criticized by political scientists who said that a more careful examination of the data revealed no evidence that noncitizens had voted in recent elections.
The second study, conducted in 2012 by the Pew Center on the States, found that 24 million voter registrations were no longer valid or “significantly inaccurate”; that more than 1.8 million dead people were still listed on the voter rolls; and that almost three million were registered in multiple states, probably because they had moved from one state to another.
The study did not find evidence that those errors led to voter fraud, however, simply that they presented avoidable costs and inefficiencies in the electoral process.
The primary author of the study, David Becker, made that plain in a Twitter post in November.
https://twitter.com/beckerdavidj/sta...01967875321857
On Tuesday, he wrote on Twitter that voting integrity in the November election had in fact improved.
https://twitter.com/beckerdavidj/sta...98627806523392
The absence of studies supporting the claim is not all that is working against Mr. Trump. Election and law enforcement officials all over the country, who monitored reports of voter fraud state by state, have said they found no credible evidence of widespread fraud.
The reaction in Congress
Mr. Trump’s assertion likewise found little backing from his Republican colleagues on Capitol Hill.
“I’ve seen no evidence to that effect,” House Speaker Paul D. Ryan told reporters on Monday when asked about the purported voter fraud.
In an interview with CNN, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, urged Mr. Trump to “knock this off.”
“This is going to erode his ability to govern this country if he does not stop it,” Mr. Graham said, adding that the president needed to present evidence for his beliefs if he was going to continue to profess them.
Others simply deflected questions about Mr. Trump’s claims.
Asked about the accuracy of the president’s assessment, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, chose to answer a question no one had asked.
“It does occur,” he said of voter fraud, declining to quantify the scope. “There are always arguments on both sides about how much, how frequent and all the rest.”
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
How exactly was the survey flawed data?
14% of non-citizens said they were registered to vote.
Then Harvard comes out and says zero illegal aliens voted.
Who has more credibility here?
Think, McFly, think.
Last edited by dannno; 01-24-2017 at 06:10 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
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"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Because voter fraud needs to be addressed for future election's Einstein?“I have no evidence whatsoever, and I don't know that anyone does, that there were that many illegal people who voted, and frankly it doesn't matter,” Huckabee told Fox Business Network on Monday morning. “He's the president and whether 20 million people voted, it doesn't matter anymore. He's the president, and I'm not sure why he brought it up.”
I do not honestly understand how voter fraud can be 'debunked,' when we are largely prohibited by law from collecting the evidence required to support it. Maybe it's a myth, maybe it's true, who knows? As long as Uncle Sam continues to prohibit the identification of voters, we will never have a control group from which to produce analyses.
Bingo.
Zip and I already went around the mulberry bush on this.
One study 3 million had voted, the other that zero percent of the voting bloc was comprised of undocumented immigrants voting.
Zero?
Seriously?
They claim that this "debunks" the first study:
Like Gunny just stated, you are trying to prove the unknowable...an illegal act of which no official records are kept.The first study was conducted in 2014 by professors at Old Dominion University and discussed on Monkey Cage, a blog hosted by The Washington Post. Using data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, the researchers found that 14 percent of noncitizens who responded to the survey in 2008 and 2010 said they were registered to vote.
The problem is that the study relied on flawed data and was roundly criticized by political scientists who said that a more careful examination of the data revealed no evidence that noncitizens had voted in recent elections.
Freaking ridiculous on the face of it.
LOL they are holding up posters and asking Trump's nominees which crowd is bigger:
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
3 million illegals voted causing Trump to lose the popular vote. Period.
This is an alternative fact.
MAGA.
Glad to see both the Senators and the MSM is once again focusing on the important issues and events, and not distracting us with more trivial and irrelevant pointlessness.
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https://www.teaparty.org/ryan-defies...-claim-214654/Ryan Defies Trump on Illegal Immigrant Vote Claim
(AP) — The Latest on activities in Congress (all times EST):
Breaking with President Donald Trump, Speaker Paul Ryan says he has seen no evidence that 3 million to 5 million immigrants living in the U.S. illegally voted last November and cost the Republican the popular vote.
Ryan told reporters on Tuesday: “I’ve already commented on that I’ve seen no evidence to that effect.”
His comments came hours after Trump incorrectly claimed at a White House reception with congressional leaders, including Ryan, that he lost the popular vote to Democratic rival Hillary Clinton because of the vote by those here illegally.
That’s according to a Democratic aide familiar with the exchange who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the private meeting.
There is no evidence to support Trump’s claim.
Another Republican, Pennsylvania Rep. Charlie Dent, said Trump needs to move on. “The election is over,” Dent said, and Trump “won fair and square.” Trump needs to “get to the serious business of governing,” Dent said.
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10:05 a.m.
House Speaker Paul Ryan says he has invited President Donald Trump to address a Joint Session of Congress on Feb. 28.
Ryan announced the invitation on Tuesday, informing reporters after a meeting with House Republicans. Ryan had met with Trump Monday night at the White House. Trump also met with Republican and Democratic congressional leaders on Monday.
Trump was sworn in as the 45th president on Friday. It would be his first speech to Congress.
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10 a.m.
Congressional analysts are projecting that President Donald Trump has inherited a stable economy and a government that is on track to run a $559 billion budget deficit for the ongoing budget year.
The new estimates from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office also say the economy will hold relatively steady. Economic growth is projected to rise slightly to 2.3 percent this year and unemployment to average less than 5 percent for the duration of Trump’s term.
The latest CBO figures are in line with previous projections. They come as Trump and Republicans controlling Congress are working to repeal much of former President Barack Obama’s signature health care law, boost the Pentagon budget, and reform the loophole cluttered tax code.
Balancing the budget would require cuts to domestic agencies and big health programs like Medicare.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
Good post.Glad to see both the Senators and the MSM is once again focusing on the important issues and events, and not distracting us with more trivial and irrelevant pointlessness.
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But arguing a point that makes absolutely no sense. They are here illegally. They openly flaunt every law, because so far in their experience government will eventually modify the law to accommodate them.
Thinking they are not breaking THIS law doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't they vote?
'Zackly- so why is Trump still on it? He won- he's in the WH- just move on.
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Apparently his feels were hurt. Donald needs a safe space from the press.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
His insecurity over "winning" the election makes sense when you consider that he doesnt believe in the electoral college.
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Here's their conclusion, and the source of the oft-cited 2.8 million:Taking the least conservative measure e at least one indicator showed that the respondent voted e yields an estimate that between 7.9% and 14.7% percent of non-citizens voted in 2008. Since the adult noncitizen population of the United States was roughly 19.4 million (CPS, 2011), the number of non-citizen voters (including both uncertainty based on normally distributed sampling error, and the various combinations of verified and reported voting) could range from just over 38,000 at the very minimum to nearly 2.8 million at the maximum.
The problem is the word "could".
There is no spoon.
He has lots of sources for this, great sources. You wouldn't believe, how many sources he has for this
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Yeah. This will either be the key to his success or key in his eventual downfall. He can't let ANYTHING go.
The answer to that question makes a world of difference.
Is even 500,000 even within the realm of possibility? Or is it more like 1,000?
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
Hammer meet nail. No way to conclusively prove or debunk the illegal voter. Dead people voting can be discovered easily as that is recorded, as well as ballot box stuffing. Both actions the democrats have been caught red handed in the most recent election.
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The person who collected the data that was based on said they contacted the people who claimed in the online survey that they were not citizens and voted. All said they clicked the wrong button in the survey. In different parts of the same survey they indicated they were citizens and in another part that they were not. (this was on the radio so I have no link at the moment).
There's a video of the survey author in an interview as well.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
lol.. 14.4% of people and they all clicked the wrong button?
You do realize they were admitting to a crime, correct?
I can only imagine if they did an online survey about drug use, "Do you use cocaine?", and they contacted the people who said "Yes" to make sure that they do in fact use cocaine, and make sure that all of the other information on the survey is correct.. What do you think would happen in that case, zippo?? I'll tell you what would happen. The SAME THING would happen. And the study's author would have to come out and say, "Welp, we did an online survey and found that 2% of respondents use cocaine.. But we contacted them to verify and they all said they pressed the wrong button. So, even though there are hundreds of billions of dollars of cocaine that flow into the country every year, we found in fact that 0% of the population does cocaine. Isn't that $#@!ing intesting?"
You gotta think these things through a little more, zip.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
OMG a video!! WOW!!!!!
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
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