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    Exclamation How we got to here

    You can thank "mad moms" and "protesting pussies", for a great deal of it, the likes of which are out in force around the world today.


    How We Got To Here

    http://ericpetersautos.com/2017/01/2...e-got-to-here/

    By eric - January 21, 2017

    America is in trouble because Americans got lazy. Not so much physically but morally. They began to care more about some passing thing than about the things that truly matter; the things that made America unlike other places.

    Better than other places.

    Things like principles; the plain meaning of words. The Fourth and Fifth Amendments, especially. Which were (past tense deliberate) laws written to articulate and protect principles that matter.

    It gradually became more important to – as Thomas More’s character in the play, A Man For All Seasons put it – cut down all the “trees” (laws) that sheltered the individual for the sake of making things easier for the government.

    For example, the Fourth Amendment’s prohibition of unreasonable searches – defined in sane terms and plain English as any non-specific search of people at random, who’ve not done anything to suggest they may have committed a crime. Fishing expeditions, in other words.

    The idea was that the government should have to – in the first place – substantiate suspicion. It wasn’t enough for a cop to say – I don’t like your looks. He had to be able to articulate some definite thing (evidence) that gave him reason to believe you had committed or were about to commit a crime.

    Today, cops stop people at random, without any specific cause at all. Without even having to say they don’t like their looks. It is enough that they are cops. And that you are not.

    It was once the case that prior to a physical search of your property, it was legally necessary to obtain a search warrant – a piece of paper issued by a judge, who was supposed to issue the thing only if the investigator asking for it could present some definite thing (evidence) that supported his asserted suspicion of criminal activity. And the warrant had to be specific, stating clearly who was to be searched and what and where. This was to prevent something that used to be routine in the colonies under the British – the general writ, which empowered King George’s minions to search anyone, anywhere for anything.

    Today’s redcoats wear blue (and lately, black). They search whomever, whatever, whenever.

    We are even coerced into witnessing against ourselves via threats that failure to do will bring down separate charges and punishments.

    Is this America?

    I do not recognize it as such.

    How did we get to this point?

    The change occurred gradually but has become a juggernaut for the simple reason that precedent becomes routine. Once accepted, an affront is forgotten. It not only becomes accepted – it becomes acceptable to do it again. (Which, as an aside, is why this Obamacare business is so important. If it stands, if Trump does not repeal – not replace – it, it is certain we will shortly be forced to also buy other forms of government-mandated insurance; for example gun insurance, if you want to own a gun.)

    But when did it begin to become acceptable?

    Probably when the Supreme Court gutted the Fourth and Fifth Amendments to placate “moms” who were “mad” about drunk driving. This was back in the ’80s, when it was still legally necessary for a cop to have specific probable cause – weaving across the double yellow, for instance – before he could turn on his lights and pull you over.

    This of course made it inconvenient to arrest and cage people who may have had some drinks but were not “drunk.” Back then, you could drink and drive and – provided your driving gave no cause to suggest impairment – you were free to continue driving.

    Apparently, competent driving aggravates people who are in fact much more opposed to drinking.

    And so, checkpoints – dragnet style. At which every single driver would be (and is) forced to stop and – in blatant Fourth and Fifth Amendment rape – submit to a random (and thus, unreasonable) search and prove they are not drunk, according to an arbitrary standard (BAC level) without the cops having to even assert that their actual driving was somehow “impaired.”

    It also became the legal obligation of the people forced to stop at these checkpoints to provide evidence to be used against themselves in a criminal prosecution. The court ruled that you must submit to various tests supposedly designed to establish drunkenness and that failure to provide evidence was (and is) a crime in itself. The burden of obtaining evidence was lifted off the shoulders of the accuser – who could now claim that failure to provide it amounted to proof of guilt.

    Even if it is later determined – as a result of the various tests, which you may be forced to submit to (including forced blood draws) that you were not, in fact, “drunk” (and perhaps had not been drinking at all) you will still be prosecuted for your failure to assist in your own prosecution.

    The court came up with a truly Orwellian concept they called implied consent – which is like sort-of rape.

    You either consented – or you didn’t.

    The courts saying you have given implied consent to be stopped and searched at random by dint of driving, or because you got a driver’s license (which you had to get) is an outrage upon words as much as it is upon rights. How is it any different than asserting a woman who has gone out on a date with a man has consented to have sex with him? If anything, it’s even more outrageous in the case of driving and implied consent, because in the case of the couple, they both agreed to the date part of the thing.

    No court would enforce a contract upon you whose terms you had not freely consented to. A contract agreed to under duress – that is, under coercion – or which contains codicils you, the signer, are not made aware of prior to signing, is by definition not binding.

    Except when the court decrees otherwise – because “moms” were “mad.” And also because it opened the door to more and worse, which I am certain was the true purpose. Have you been to an airport recently? I assume you know that literally every keystroke you make, every site you surf, every search, your emails and Skypes and phone calls and texts are all of them recorded, the “data” used to profile and keep track of quite literally everything you do, even though you’ve done nothing illegal to warrant it.

    It had to begin somewhere.

    Arguably, it began some thirty years ago, when it became ok to stop motorists at random in the name of apprehending drunk drivers.

    Henceforth, all drivers would be presumed drunk until they proved otherwise.

    Is it really surprising that we are now also presumed to be terrorists until proved otherwise? At the airport, online.

    Everywhere.

    Voila, we find ourselves living in an authoritarian state in which making it easier for the government to arrest and successfully prosecute people for something, for anything is considered desirable. As opposed to the old American idea that people ought to be free to be left alone unless they have given damn good reason to suspect they’ve committed a crime of some kind. That the burden of proof ought to be on the government rather than proving one’s innocence the obligation of the citizenry.

    But these are ideas that seems as quaint today as free association or using cash to pay for things and being allowed to actually own things without having to pay taxes in perpetuity to maintain the fiction that we own those things.

    Maybe one day our children will recover the sense we appear to have lost.
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    Today, cops stop people at random, without any specific cause at all. Without even having to say they don’t like their looks. It is enough that they are cops. And that you are not.

    It was once the case that prior to a physical search of your property, it was legally necessary to obtain a search warrant – a piece of paper issued by a judge, who was supposed to issue the thing only if the investigator asking for it could present some definite thing (evidence) that supported his asserted suspicion of criminal activity. And the warrant had to be specific, stating clearly who was to be searched and what and where. This was to prevent something that used to be routine in the colonies under the British – the general writ, which empowered King George’s minions to search anyone, anywhere for anything.
    Black people will tell you this is nothing new. Even in the "good old days".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Black people will tell you this is nothing new. Even in the "good old days".
    Yup, so will poor white trash and greasy bikers.

    It is not black vs. blue it is blue vs. us.

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    Nobody cared until it was "their group". https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article...uleId=10007392

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 01-21-2017 at 03:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Nobody cared until it was "their group".
    And now everybody should know why "the system" pushes "identity politics" so much.

    Just when it looked like there might have been some serious pushback against the police state, system funded groups like BLM were able to parse the terms of police abuse, and the larger question of police and government policy, into a "black vs white" narrative, and got everybody back to their corners and on the plantation and nicely under control.

    Just like all these women squalling in DC today.

    "Keep your laws off my uterus!"

    They have no problem with laws on my wallet, or freedoms.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 01-21-2017 at 03:16 PM.

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    Black Lives Matters has the right idea- that cops were going way to far. But many dismiss it because it is BLACK lives. They should have been supported more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Black Lives Matters has the right idea- that cops were going way to far. But many dismiss it because it is BLACK lives. They should have been supported more.
    Had they not phrased it as black lives only, they might have gotten more support.

    As it stands, I have special, hot, hatred of the whole BLM movement for being responsible for deflating and derailing the effort to reign in out of control cops because they insisted on making it racial, instead of an issue that should matter to everybody, even granting the fact that just by being black you are more likely to be the victim of unwanted police attention.

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    BLM made it easier to rally the authoritarians:

    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul



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    It also doesn't help when people like George Soros puts up millions to deliberately cause chaos to require an order out of chaos crackdown.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Exactly.

    The "law and order" crowd pounced at the chance.

    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    BLM made it easier to rally the authoritarians:

    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 01-21-2017 at 04:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Nobody cared until it was "their group".
    Nobody? Really? What about abolitionists speaking out against slavery? White people speaking out against Indian genocide? Straights speaking up for the gay? Some religious orders speaking up for the poor?

    History is full of people speaking up for other groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Black Lives Matters has the right idea- that cops were going way to far. But many dismiss it because it is BLACK lives. They should have been supported more.

    The old ZippyJuan never commented on cop threads. What did you do with the old ZippyJuan? Are you the British guy again?
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    But when did it begin to become acceptable?
    From my own experience with my step-son who left the police department after a taste of what they're really all about, a lot of it was helped along by the D.A.R.E. program where cops were fused with school. "Why do you wanna be a cop?" "'Cause kids and drugs." Well meaning, but ignorant/brainwashed. He works with kids now, and doesn't violate NAP.

    WIKI:
    Drug Abuse Resistance Education (D.A.R.E.) is a substance abuse prevention education program that seeks to prevent use of controlled drugs, membership in gangs, and violent behavior. It was founded in Los Angeles in 1983 as a joint initiative of then-LAPD chief Daryl Gates and the Los Angeles Unified School District[1] as a demand-side drug control strategy of the American War on Drugs.

    "demand side", yeah, sure.

    Willfully ignoring the history and lessons of prohibition. Derp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    The old ZippyJuan never commented on cop threads. What did you do with the old ZippyJuan? Are you the British guy again?
    Atleast think of a creative name to call him that is kind of British, UWdude called me Nigel Grimmer when he did it, he was way more creative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Atleast think of a creative name to call him that is kind of British, UWdude called me Nigel Grimmer when he did it, he was way more creative.
    There was a British ZippyJuan for awhile. Guess you're another one in the group.

    Anyway, a lot of you British seem really asexual. Makes sense since most all your women are bow wow. What do you call them? Munters, I think.
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    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    you know, I don't know why I continue to read some of the threads here. After a long OP comment it immediately is turned into a race thread. This has nothing to do with race. Maybe that's the whole idea. Turn every topic into everything except what the threads about. Divert the topic, a common tactic used to derail the conversation.

    Back on topic I regularly will tell someone I'm having a conversation with the quote "I'd rather deal with the inconveniences of to much liberty than deal with the inconveniences of not enough". Using the example of DUI roadblocks. People look at me and don't understand. Regularly saying we should get drunks off the road for the good of everyone. Not understanding that living in a fee society comes with risks. As long as someone is not "breaking" the law there is no reason to stop someone. That's a hard point to get across. Everyone is so conditioned thye can't grasp the concept of personal freedom.

    But instead lets go back to blacks are stopped more than whites and dilute the topic. That will get us somewhere
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  20. #17
    It takes all groups working together to try to change things. If you exclude support on one issue because you disagree on another issue, you will never get anywhere. Blacks cannot change police behavior without whites and vice versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam1952 View Post
    Using the example of DUI roadblocks. People look at me and don't understand. Regularly saying we should get drunks off the road for the good of everyone.
    I once did a lot of research on roadblocks. It should go without saying that randomness does not work much anywhere in life, but people actually think roadblocks are effective. Here's a couple of cites:


    The FBI compared saturation to roadblocks in Ohio, Missouri, and Tennessee. They found, "Overall, measured in arrests per hour, a dedicated saturation patrol is the most effective method of apprehending offenders."

    Research in Accident Analysis and Prevention said, “States with infrequent checkpoints claimed a lack of funding and police resources for not conducting more checkpoints, preferred saturation patrols over checkpoints because they were more productive, and used large numbers of police officers at checkpoints.”

    The Maryland anti-drunk driving campaign called Checkpoint Strikeforce was evaluated for deterrence. The
    review found that there was no deterrent effect, whether for public perceptions, driving behaviors, or
    alcohol related motor vehicle crashes and injuries.




    Sources:

    Greene, Jeffrey W.“Battling DUI: A Comparative Analysis of Checkpoints and Saturation Patrols.” FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin 72.1 (2003) : 1-6.

    Fell, James C., et al.“Why Are Sobriety Checkpoints Not Widely Adopted as an Enforcement Strategy in the United States?” Accident Analysis
    and Prevention 35.6 (2003) : 897–903.

    Beck, Kenneth.“Lessons Learned From Evaluating Maryland’s Anti-¬‐Drunk Driving Campaign: Assessing the Evidence for Cognitive, Behavioral, and Public Health Impact.” Health Promotion Practice 10.3 (2009) : 370-377.
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    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It takes all groups working together to try to change things.
    Really? Then why are you on this website? Practically all of your posts are contrary to what people say here and contrary to liberty.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    I once did a lot of research on roadblocks. It should go without saying that randomness does not work much anywhere in life, but people actually think roadblocks are effective. Here's a couple of cites:


    The FBI compared saturation to roadblocks in Ohio, Missouri, and Tennessee. They found, "Overall, measured in arrests per hour, a dedicated saturation patrol is the most effective method of apprehending offenders."

    Research in Accident Analysis and Prevention said, “States with infrequent checkpoints claimed a lack of funding and police resources for not conducting more checkpoints, preferred saturation patrols over checkpoints because they were more productive, and used large numbers of police officers at checkpoints.”

    The Maryland anti-drunk driving campaign called Checkpoint Strikeforce was evaluated for deterrence. The
    review found that there was no deterrent effect, whether for public perceptions, driving behaviors, or
    alcohol related motor vehicle crashes and injuries.




    Sources:

    Greene, Jeffrey W.“Battling DUI: A Comparative Analysis of Checkpoints and Saturation Patrols.” FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin 72.1 (2003) : 1-6.

    Fell, James C., et al.“Why Are Sobriety Checkpoints Not Widely Adopted as an Enforcement Strategy in the United States?” Accident Analysis
    and Prevention 35.6 (2003) : 897–903.

    Beck, Kenneth.“Lessons Learned From Evaluating Maryland’s Anti-¬‐Drunk Driving Campaign: Assessing the Evidence for Cognitive, Behavioral, and Public Health Impact.” Health Promotion Practice 10.3 (2009) : 370-377.

    Here is a link to NorthCarolinaLiberty's full article;

    http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=3293

    Interesting part I found was how though roadblocks were less effective, saturation resulted in more arrests.. Making it seem the goal was to get more DUI arrests as opposed to just enforcing the law. The same could be said for more turn signal violations, speeding, burnt out tail lights, ect. Saturation will always result in more violations of every infraction of the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    There was a British ZippyJuan for awhile. Guess you're another one in the group.

    Anyway, a lot of you British seem really asexual. Makes sense since most all your women are bow wow. What do you call them? Munters, I think.
    :O
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    By the way, what is it with the seemingly disproportionate number of British posters here with either red bar reps or heading that way. There's Republican Guy, Dr No, ZippyJuan substitute, Cranston386, 56Ktarget (maybe), and some others.
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    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    By the way, what is it with the seemingly disproportionate number of British posters here with either red bar reps or heading that way. There's Republican Guy, Dr No, ZippyJuan substitute, Cranston386, 56Ktarget (maybe), and some others.
    It's a way to determine the value of this site. The more of them you see, the more important this site is.

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by sam1952 View Post
    you know, I don't know why I continue to read some of the threads here. After a long OP comment it immediately is turned into a race thread. This has nothing to do with race. Maybe that's the whole idea. Turn every topic into everything except what the threads about. Divert the topic, a common tactic used to derail the conversation.
    Common because it is effective.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    By the way, what is it with the seemingly disproportionate number of British posters here with either red bar reps or heading that way. There's Republican Guy, Dr No, ZippyJuan substitute, Cranston386, 56Ktarget (maybe), and some others.
    What's distinctly British about Zip? Honestly, none of those you named strike me as clever, witty, interesting, or British as the British people I've known...
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    What's distinctly British about Zip? Honestly, none of those you named strike me as clever, witty, interesting, or British as the British people I've known...
    Oh, definitely not witty or clever. This first Zip had a distinct British character in his writing. Sometimes he even used British spelling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    It's a way to determine the value of this site. The more of them you see, the more important this site is.
    True dat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    It's a way to determine the value of this site. The more of them you see, the more important this site is.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    True dat.



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    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    Oh, definitely not witty or clever. This first Zip had a distinct British character in his writing. Sometimes he even used British spelling.
    True. But British spellings are used throughout Europe and occasionally in NE "educated" 'Murica. Zip (supposedly) has an econ degree, so he probably gets it from reading a lot of European and academic literature.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    True. But British spellings are used throughout Europe and occasionally in NE "educated" 'Murica. Zip (supposedly) has an econ degree, so he probably gets it from reading a lot of European and academic literature.

    Yeah, I had this boss in the east who spent some time in England. Took on some British ways to try and be cosmopolitan.

    So anyway, this boss is a prick and actually pride's himself on being one. Him acting British made him more annoying. I had this co-worker friend who hated this boss. One time my friends says, "Hey NCL, I saw the boss while I was getting some ice cream at one of those small stands. I swear I was going to go over and kick that f*ckers ass."

    I'm surprised he did not kick that bastard's ass. One time, I was sitting in a meeting with my friend. This smart ass employee (different guy than aforementioned boss) makes some mild remark about my friend. The friend took exception and was sort of a hot head. He practically jumps across the smart ass guy's desk to grab him and beat the f*ck out of him. We had to restrain him. That was when you weren't fired for such things. Ah, the good old days.

    So that's my usual tangent and boring story. Back to the regularly scheduled thread.
    Last edited by NorthCarolinaLiberty; 01-21-2017 at 10:17 PM.
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