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    Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence
    WASHINGTON — President Obama on Tuesday largely commuted the remaining prison sentence of Chelsea Manning, the army intelligence analyst convicted of an enormous 2010 leak that revealed American military and diplomatic activities across the world, disrupted the administration, and made WikiLeaks, the recipient of those disclosures, famous.

    The decision by Mr. Obama rescued Ms. Manning, who twice tried to commit suicide last year, from an uncertain future as a transgender woman incarcerated at the male military prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kan. She has been jailed for nearly seven years, and her 35-year sentence was by far the longest punishment ever imposed in the United States for a leak conviction.

    Now, under the terms of Mr. Obama’s commutation announced by the White House on Tuesday, Ms. Manning is set to be freed on May 17 of this year, rather than in 2045.

    The commutation also relieved the Department of Defense of the difficult responsibility of her incarceration as she pushes for treatment for her gender dysphoria — including sex reassignment surgery — that the military has no experience providing.

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    In recent days, the White House had signaled that Mr. Obama was seriously considering granting Ms. Manning’s commutation application, in contrast to a pardon application submitted on behalf of the other large-scale leaker of the era, Edward J. Snowden, the former intelligence contractor who disclosed archives of top secret surveillance files and is living as a fugitive in Russia.

    Asked about the two clemency applications on Friday, the White House spokesman, Joshua Earnest, discussed the “pretty stark difference” between Ms. Manning’s case for mercy with Mr. Snowden’s. While their offenses were similar, he said, there were “some important differences.”

    “Chelsea Manning is somebody who went through the military criminal justice process, was exposed to due process, was found guilty, was sentenced for her crimes, and she acknowledged wrongdoing,” he said. “Mr. Snowden fled into the arms of an adversary, and has sought refuge in a country that most recently made a concerted effort to undermine confidence in our democracy.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/u...ence.html?_r=0



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    The 35 years sentence ends May 17 of this year. Gonna be some fallout and headlines on this one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    good.
    I agree this is a good thing
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    I want to see the document he signed.
    If it said "Chelsea Manning" anywhere, I'm betting he's going to rot in prison.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Obama nearly started a war with Russia yeah i dont trust Obama admin with this.

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    Related:

    Assange: I’ll Agree to Extradition if Manning Freed (1/13/17)

    http://www.usnews.com/news/national-...n-assange-says
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    Quote Originally Posted by staerker View Post
    Related:

    Assange: I’ll Agree to Extradition if Manning Freed (1/13/17)

    http://www.usnews.com/news/national-...n-assange-says
    I hope he doesn't. He'd never get a fair trial. If convicted Assange would get extradited to Sweden and get convicted of their phony charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyreLyon View Post
    I hope he doesn't. He'd never get a fair trial. If convicted Assange would get extradited to Sweden and get convicted of their phony charges.
    Is he charged with anything here?
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    Obama is a coward. If he had any balls Manning would never have spent a day in prison. This is just partisan posturing, nothing more.
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    “pretty stark difference” between Ms. Manning’s case for mercy with Mr. Snowden’s. While their offenses were similar, he said, there were “some important differences.”

    “Chelsea Manning is somebody who went through the military criminal justice process, was exposed to due process, was found guilty, was sentenced for her crimes, and she acknowledged wrongdoing,” he said. “Mr. Snowden fled into the arms of an adversary, and has sought refuge in a country that most recently made a concerted effort to undermine confidence in our democracy.”


    If Manning had to do it over again, I bet he would run. I know I would.
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    From one of the neoconservative shills who lied us into war in Iraq. Shameless.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FyreLyon View Post
    I hope he doesn't. He'd never get a fair trial. If convicted Assange would get extradited to Sweden and get convicted of their phony charges.
    Me neither, this was not a pardon.
    They confronted me in the day of my calamity, but the Lord was my support.

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    Time for snowden to announce that he is secretly a tranny and hope for the same treatment.

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    Teocons like Mark Levin are losing their $#@! over this.



    Senator Cotton not as concerned about pardon of General James Cartwright, who lied to the FBI about leaking classified info to reporters.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6399639

    Cotton Statement on the Commutation of Chelsea Manning’s Prison Sentence
    January 17, 2017

    Contact: Caroline Rabbitt (202) 224-2353

    Washington, D.C. - Senator Tom Cotton (R-Arkansas) today released the following statement following reports that President Obama commuted Chelsea Manning's sentence:

    "When I was leading soldiers in Afghanistan, Private Manning was undermining us by leaking hundreds of thousands of classified documents to WikiLeaks. I don't understand why the president would feel special compassion for someone who endangered the lives of our troops, diplomats, intelligence officers, and allies. We ought not treat a traitor like a martyr."
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    Quote Originally Posted by staerker View Post
    Me neither, this was not a pardon.
    Yeah, more like a prisoner exchange.

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    3 thoughts:

    1) Fantastic news! Now we just need Snowden, Assange, Peltier and Mamal pardoned, to wipe the slate clean as Obarry vamooses.

    2) Manning was, is and remains male, no matter how many times the NYT wants to impose his self-identification upon the rest of us.

    3) Was Manning's sentence commuted just to please the LGBT-A-Z crowd, and to get Assange to go along with extradition? And is it possible for Trump to trump Obarry, by issuing first week pardons to Assange and Snowden?
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    Let's hope it will put a dent given this legacy.


    Obama’s Legacy: A Historic War On Whistleblowers

    As for Obama’s record, here’s what history will show: In his eight years in office, the Obama Justice Department spearheaded eight Espionage Act prosecutions, more than all US administrations combined. Journalists were also caught in the crosshairs: Investigators sought phone records for Associated Press journalists, threatened to jail an investigative reporter for The New York Times, and named a Fox News reporter a co-conspirator in a leak case. In Texas, a journalist investigating private defense contractors became the focus of a federal prosecution and was initially charged for sharing a hyperlink containing hacked information that had already been made public.

    Those Espionage Act cases included the trial of Chelsea Manning, who was held in solitary confinement for nearly one year prior to her military trial, prompting a condemnation from the UN special rapporteur on torture.
    “The absolute twisted passion with which the administration under Obama’s leadership has pursued whistleblowers is just appalling,” says Norman Solomon, executive director of the Institute for Public Accuracy and co-founder of RootsAction.org. “And as far as I can tell, the administration is unrepentant in that process. There’s just no other administration that comes close.”

    https://www.longislandpress.com/2017...histleblowers/





    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
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    3) Was Manning's sentence commuted just to please the LGBT-A-Z crowd, and to get Assange to go along with extradition? And is it possible for Trump to trump Obarry, by issuing first week pardons to Assange and Snowden?
    Interesting question, unlikely but Assange may have a slight better chance relatively.

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    It looks like Assange will be extradited, and expects to be tried.

    https://twitter.com/wikileaks

    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/821475035441401856



    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/821505178549493760



    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/821522334007836672



    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/821528189625372672



    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/821529956530487296

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    That's good news. Now if Assange is to give himself up he'd better wait until after Manning is freed or they might just wind up cell mates...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    good.
    Headline should be "Obama stop torturing whistleblower, promises freedom once he is out of office"

    Obama could have stepped in anytime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    Headline should be "Obama stop torturing whistleblower, promises freedom once he is out of office"

    Obama could have stepped in anytime.
    It was on his "$#@! I have to do before leaving office" list but he was too distracted to do anything about it. Next item on the list - Gitmo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    Headline should be "Obama stop torturing whistleblower, promises freedom once he is out of office"

    Obama could have stepped in anytime.
    That would have been too non-cowardly, puppets don't play that game.
    He's probably thinking he can afford to offend upper management when he has only couple of days left on the job.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    That's good news. Now if Assange is to give himself up he'd better wait until after Manning is freed or he they might just wind up cell mates...
    How cynical , have some faith, this is the word of one of the most honest leaders in US history.


    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Time for snowden to announce that he is secretly a tranny and hope for the same treatment.
    While true that Obama and his first lady are big on gender freedom rights but this post sounds bit controversial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by staerker View Post

    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/821529956530487296

    Hmmm.... if the US government classifies him as a terrorist, does that then prohibit anyone from donating to his legal defense fund?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Hmmm.... if the US government classifies him as a terrorist, does that then prohibit anyone from donating to his legal defense fund?
    Could always use bitcoin, with some effort it can be anonymous.
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    Good. Done for the wrong reasons I'm sure, but still, good.

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    What do you think was the most significant revelation from the Manning leaks? I only remember the video of killing the two Reuters reporters and that was covered up.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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