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    Default Do you believe Trump will be the worst post-war president?

    I certainly do



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    we are post war?
    pretty sure we are involved in several

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    Default NO NOT THAT WAY

    I mean worst post WW2 president

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    Truman
    Johnson
    Nixon
    Carter
    Bush
    Clinton
    Bush
    Obama
    that's one hell of a list to beat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    I certainly do
    No . Congress should prevent him from topping LBJ,Nixon , Clinton and Obummer .

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    There can always be worse
    I dont think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president, he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. Hes the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Kinda early to predict. Ask me again in 3 yrs.

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    Probably the opposite, Trump may very well be the best post war President we have had. That isn't really saying much..

    But it makes zero sense to say that a President who might actually be anti-establishment be worse than all of the establishment Presidents we have had.. I mean, you might think Trump is pro-establishment, but you have no proof of that. That is just your armchair quarter back opinion.

    Kennedy and Reagan had a positive vision for the people, but Kennedy was murdered for not falling in line and Reagan almost lost his life for the same reason.

    Trump is the only other post war President who has a chance at being anti-establishment. He has private security, and may be able to make some positive implementations.
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    I dont think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president, he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. Hes the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    The same Libtard and a commie as Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr. His conservatism is a theater actor play for simpleton Americans, Wake up, stop being drunk and face the reality !

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    Same as Obama. Democrat or Republican, both are the same Libtards.

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    The worst post-war President to date was probably Johnson.

    Second place is tougher, but I'd probably put Bush and Obama in a dead heat.

    Anyway, I expect Trump will be in the running for #2 at least: pretty tough to surpass Johnson, but Trump may be just the man for the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MallsRGood View Post
    The worst post-war President to date was probably Johnson.

    Second place is tougher, but I'd probably put Bush and Obama in a dead heat.

    Anyway, I expect Trump will be in the running for #2 at least: pretty tough to surpass Johnson, but Trump may be just the man for the job.
    Johnson should not be able to be topped with this congress .

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    He maybe become the worst prewar III president.
    War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    I certainly do
    What is this "post war" you speak of?

    The US has been in continual war since at least WWII.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaseyJones View Post
    Truman
    Johnson
    Nixon
    Carter
    Bush
    Clinton
    Bush
    Obama
    that's one hell of a list to beat
    Clinton secretary of state, is hard to beat ...and she wasn't even a president
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    ..this is the darkest timeline..

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    so far he is the best one we have had in years, freaking scary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaseyJones View Post
    Truman
    Johnson
    Nixon
    Carter
    Bush
    Clinton
    Bush
    Obama
    that's one hell of a list to beat
    All puppets. How does one rank puppets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsat_98 View Post
    so far he is the best one we have had in years, freaking scary.
    Certainly possible... Americans sighing relief because he's marginally better than Obama. There will be no real freedom without bloodshed now. I believe it is very nearly a statistical impossibility, given what I see as the most common American mindset.

    Consider in whose hands we rest. Who, exactly, are "Theye"? Nonsense answers like "the Illuminati", "Luciferians", "the international banking cartel", and so on tell us nothing of value, even if true. Names are what we need. A vast list of names of those to be hunted and either imprisoned or exterminated. And who could provide such names? CIA? NSA? Maybe, but why would they? I feel fairly certain that any such whistle-blowing types would be apprehended almost the moment they began investigating. That, of course, would spell their ends in fiery car "accidents", and other such unfortunate precipitations of happenstance.

    As Dannno mentioned, Kennedy and Reagan were most likely silenced for the reasons given. Those with power enough to get away with such things should scare intelligent men significantly. More to the point, so long as Theye remain anonymous, they are practically unstoppable, meaning we have no hope other than to remain as lab rats responding to the master's stimuli. About the best for which we can reasonably and rationally hope is the epic "reset event" which, perforce, means countless dead bodies in the wake. Even then there are no guarantees that those surviving would have the wherewithal to restructure their lives around the principles of proper freedom. Quite the contrary, I see the terrified masses coming into jackboot-licking obedience to the first tyrant with the brass to stand tall and claim the reins of the king. The clever bastard with the smarts to make promises he cannot possibly keep is the one who stands to become the next emperor if he can maintain buy-in long enough to consolidate his physical forces. After that, it's the same old game as it has always been: do as I say, or become intimately acquainted with the point of my sword.

    Here's to hoping Trump doesn't drag us so far down the path Theye apparently have set for us. I have no idea how he would possibly avoid this, given the apparent fate that seems to await any who dare defy the real bosses, but I maintain just enough stoopidity to keep hoping for something substantively better. If some nuggets of poo get mixed up in the package, which now appears to be likely inevitable, I suppose the best for which we can hope is that the net situation in 4 or 8 years' time will represent some improvement over what we now so thoroughly enjoy. How pathetic... sitting and hoping as feckless children that some third party will not treat us poorly. No wonder Theye hold nothing but the deepest contempt for us. It reminds me of the scene in "El Dorado" when the gut-shot boy plaintively beseeches John Wayne, "don't shoot no more, mister", completely at the mercy of the man who set his young life on the short path its end.

    I wish the American people were of a cloth to rise and slit the right throats. Alas, they are not even in the parking lot of that stadium. Even in the event of rise, the only likelihood I see includes lots of indiscriminate blood-letting in payback for water now passed under the proverbial bridge, having long left relevancy.

    It's all too depressing to contemplate and I have a very ill wife to whom I must focus all my best at the moment. Therefore, unless something really worthy of my attention arises, I will likely not be thinking too deeply on this penultimately dispiriting truth for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    All puppets. How does one rank puppets?
    You rank them by which one you least want to have a beer with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaseyJones View Post
    Truman
    Johnson
    Nixon
    Carter
    Bush
    Clinton
    Bush
    Obama
    that's one hell of a list to beat
    Presidents aren’t absolute dictators. The Republicans have a 40 plus year record of being a better opposition party than the Democrats. You list Clinton, but gdp and job creation during his term was greater than all of those except Johnson; more than Reagan too. The Lewinski scandal and his impeachment didn’t hurt the country at all. When he tried, after the OK City bombing, to pass the law that passed in the Bush adm. as the Patriot Act, the Republicans stopped it. Republicans will never to that to a Republican President.
    Last edited by robert68; 02-09-2017 at 12:19 PM.

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    They have all been worse.

    each taking from the last and adding $#@!.

    But, waiting to see what he does .
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    another hysterical libtard crawls to the surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert68 View Post
    Presidents aren’t absolute dictators.
    And it's a damned shame. Were they, methinks the people of America would take a different view of things and be more apt to rise and strike the government back into the dirt where it belongs. Alas, this system is endlessly well contrived for the brand of soft tyranny and the pretty slavery under which we all live. It has been utter genius to which my 59 year old eyes have borne witness in terms of the "governance" found here in America. Theye really have learned the lessons of past failures and have capitalized heavily on them. Why be a hard tyrant of the pure-stick variety when the soft-stick/carrot brand holds so much greater longevity potential?

    The Republicans have a 40 plus year record of being a better opposition party than the Democrats. You list Clinton, but gdp and job creation during his term was greater than all of those except Johnson;
    The GDP during Clinton's reign was the product of purest mass fraud. The dot-bomb era was gigantic bubble built on lies and the false promises of the technologies that were emerging at that time. It was great for people like me who were able to command $350/hour, but there is no possible way to maintain that shell game. What astonished me was that it lasted ten years. I thought it would be over in five, at the very outside. Just goes to show the power of lies when bolstered by the greed of those to whom one is spinning the yarn.

    Clinton was an absolutely horrible president, every bit as bad as either Bush. Obama takes the cake, however, for my money. Trump seems to be doing some things almost right, the rest remaining question marks in my mind. This wall thing irks me. We can accomplish the same ends with far less money if we make proper use of our troops and the Border Patrol. I like the notion of watch towers, well armed with M2s and other goodies. They are easily and rapidly put up, easy to take down, move, modify, and maintain. Up-keep on a 1950+ mile long wall is going to be murderously costly.
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    Where it counts, Trump will be the same president... The same as we've been seeing since Kennedy was assassinated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    another hysterical libtard crawls to the surface.
    Not a libtard, I supported John Kasich in the primaries


    I believe we should cut taxes , audit any department what gets more then 50 billion dollars a year, repeal the patriot act, return war powers to congress, send ground troops to destroy ISIS(but then leave dont nation build), deregulute small buinsess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    I certainly do
    hillary..is that you?

    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    hillary..is that you?

    lol
    I think she is here .

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    I didn't when this thread started, and I still don't. Even the most dilusional liberal writers are really amazed at how Trump is building bridges with people and nations without paying them a lot of money. Somehow he seems to get leaders to see how they can benefit from a solid relationship with the US.

    As I said last fall, this is a man who gets things done by talking to people. It's what he has always done. I have to respect that. This is in comparison to Bill Clinton who seemed to think he could get something done by talking it to death.

    As long as he keeps hearing from the right people, Trump could go down in history as one of the best presidents ever. He may end up being the benchmark by which all other presidents are measured. I don't say that with any certainty, but I think the potential is there.
    "There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought."~~Charles Kingsley

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    Heres my ranking of presidents post ww2


    1. Truman(Marshall plan, Truman Doctrine, Saving South Korea, Desegregating the Military)
    2. Reagan(Drastically Cutting taxes, Inherited a stagflationary economy left with an booming economy, pushed back against an expansionary commie block , pushed USSR over the edge, etc)
    3. IKE(desegregated public schools, pushed back against USSR even further then Truman did, booming 50s, Interstate Highway)
    4. HW Bush(Handled end of cold war perfectly, and handled crises in gulf perfectly)
    5. Clinton(Welfare Reform, Surplus, Governed like a GOP president from 1994-2000)
    6. Nixon(Ended Vietnam War, Opened Up relations with China which directly lead to the ussr fall, )
    T7. JFK and Ford(In office for too little time to do good or bad)

    From here they get bad

    9. LBJ(Had the disastrous war in Vietnam , His great society turned out to be a disaster what did nothing to fix the root causes of poverty, only thing keeping him from last place is Civil Rights)

    10. Obama(Slow economic growth, disastorus decision to overthrow the libyan and syrian governments which have lead to those countries being destabilized, and country got way more divided when he left)

    11. W Bush(Disastrous decision to invade iraq and dismantle their entire government including the military what lead directly to the middle east problem of today,turned a record surplus into a record surplus, had the 2008 crash happen on his watch)

    12. Carter(Disastrous economic polices lead us to double digit inflation, unemployment, fall of iran happened, The communists started to take over more and more countries in the world at a rapid pace)

    13. Likely Trump(Scandal after Scandal, Corrupt, Totally incompetent in almost every area possible)

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