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    American Troops "Roll Into Poland" In Largest Deployment Since The Cold War

    American Troops "Roll Into Poland" In Largest Deployment Since The Cold War
    by Tyler Durden - Jan 12, 2017

    "American soldiers rolled into Poland on Thursday, fulfilling a dream Poles have had since the fall of communism in 1989 to have U.S. troops on their soil as a deterrent against Russia."

    That's how the AP begins its report on the first deployment of US soldiers into the central European country, previewed here earlier in the week as "One Of Largest Deployments Since The Cold War", even as Russia warned that the move represented a threat to its national security, and the Kremlin said "Russia regarded the move as an aggressive step along its borders."

    NATO, however, has ignored Russian concerns and threats of retaliation and as a result soldiers in camouflage with tanks and other vehicles crossed into southwestern Poland on Thursday morning from Germany and headed for Zagan, where they will be based.

    While in the past the US and other Western nations have carried out exercises on NATO's eastern flank, this deployment, which includes around 3,500 U.S. troops and 2,800 tanks, trucks and other military equipment, marks the first-ever continuous deployment to the region by a NATO ally. It also represents a commitment by outgoing President Obama to "protect" a region that became deeply nervous over Russia's response to the CIA-orchestrated presidential coup in Ukraine, the annexation of Crimea, and the resulting proxy war in east Ukraine.
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    More: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...yment-cold-war
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    Obama the peace President making the best use out of his last few days.
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    At the request of Poland.

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    At the request of a government and the corporations that run it, another government run by corporations obliged -just like the sentence read. And this helps my liberty how?

    Yeah, I read a Blip Zitzer post -didn't feel like turning on CNN. So handy to have the live feed echo right here.
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    This is to counter "Dangerous Russian Aggression (TM)".

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    This is to counter "Dangerous Russian Aggression (TM)".

    As well as those dangerous Iranians.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    At the request of Poland.
    So we're taking our marching order from Polacks now?

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    Last edited by CPUd; 01-13-2017 at 01:09 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    At the request of Poland the M.I.C..
    FIFY
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    o_O

    'We waited for decades': Polish govt welcomes US troops

    Polish leaders declared themselves alone no longer at a ceremony Saturday welcoming the arrival of U.S. troops as part of a deployment that has angered Russia.

    The presence of U.S. troops on Polish soil marks a historic moment—the first time Western forces are being deployed on a continuous basis to bolster NATO’s eastern flank.

    “"We have waited for you for a very long time,” the soliders heard Defense Minister Antoni Macierewicz say at Saturday’s event in Zagan amid falling snow. “We waited for decades, sometimes feeling we had been left alone, sometimes almost losing hope, sometimes feeling that we were the only one who protected civilization from aggression that came from the east.”

    The event also drew hundreds of ordinary Poles.

    The American deployment includes an armored brigade of 3,500 American troops from Fort Carson, Colorado. It comes in reactions to Russia's annexation of Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 and its backing of separatist insurgents in Ukraine's east.

    Those actions have frightened many in Poland, the Baltic states and other countries in Eastern Europe that were once under Moscow's control.

    “This is America's most capable fighting force: a combat-ready, highly trained US armoured brigade, with our most advanced equipment and weaponry,” U.S. ambassador to Poland Paul James said at the ceremonies, according to an AFP report.

    "This force embodies America's iron-clad commitment to honor our NATO treaty obligation to defend our NATO allies."

    The Polish government organized several other events across the country, including in downtown Warsaw, to welcome the Americans.

    “This is an important day for Poland, for Europe, for our common defense,” Prime Minister Beata Szydlo told the U.S. soldiers.

    The troops are due to fan out across seven countries from Estonia to Bulgaria for exercises. A headquarters unit will be stationed in Germany. After nine months they will be replaced by another unit.

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    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/14...us-troops.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Obama the peace President making the best use out of his last few days.
    Desperately laying the eggs to try to hatch war.
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    Seems like a waste of money to deploy them when Trump is just going to pull them back in a week. Obama always was one to put on a show though.

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    Polish gov't welcomes U.S. troops; defense chief says "we waited for decades"
    WARSAW, Poland -- Polish leaders welcomed U.S. troops to their country Saturday, with the defense minister expressing gratitude for their arrival and calling it the fulfillment of a dream Poles have had for decades.

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    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Oh look. There's a few white spaces where Washington doesn't have any military deployed yet. That is obvious proof of Russian aggression. The MIC needs to be expanded. (Graphic is a bit dated from 2002. It actually has been expanded since then).

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    New US stance on Russia? Warsaw should not lose out: Polish FM
    10.01.2017 12:17
    Polish Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski will argue in New York that closer ties between Washington and Moscow should not be forged at Warsaw’s expense, the IAR news agency has reported.


    Some 3,000 U.S. troops, under a NATO banner, are arriving in Poland and six other Eastern European countries in what a Kremlin spokesman calls a threat to Russia's interest and security.

    The deployment, which includes more than 80 main battle tanks and hundreds of armored vehicles, is part of NATO's Operation Atlantic Resolve, which was launched in response to Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014.

    The operation, representing the largest U.S. military reinforcement of Europe in decades, calls for a unit rotation every nine months.

    The armored brigade combat team, based in Colorado, arrived in Germany last week. The group is gathering at a NATO and Polish base in Wrocław, in southwest Poland, before fanning out to six other NATO countries in the Russian neighborhood, including the former Soviet states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.

    President Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Thursday that any country would regard a buildup of foreign military presence near its borders negatively.

    "This is precisely the way we see it," he said, Russia's TASS news agency reported. "We interpret this as a threat to us and as actions that endanger our interests and our security."

    U.S. concern over possible Russian aggression in Eastern Europe, as well as the Baltics, was underscored by a visit last week to the former Soviet states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania — now NATO allies — by three U.S. senators, including John McCain, Republican chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee. The three also visited a former military post in Ukraine.

    The reinforcements in Poland, a former member of the Warsaw Pact, come less than two weeks before the presidential inauguration of Donald Trump, who has indicated he will likely pursue warmer relations with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    Polish Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski said this week that Poland did not want to block closer U.S. ties with Russia "provided that this does not happen at our expense," Radio Poland reported.

    Russia, in its own saber-rattling gesture, recently deployed nuclear-capable Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad, the sliver of Russian territory between Poland and Lithuania.
    http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/2...-out-Polish-FM
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    Good comment from Michaael Rozeff: http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/...xpayer-expense
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog...payer-expense/

    The rotating deployment of 4,000 American soldiers and forces in Poland was budgeted at $3.4 billion. It costs roughly $1 million a year to keep a single soldier overseas in a place like Poland. (In Afghanistan, the cost is well over $2 million a year for a single soldier.)

    This is said to deter Russia, but it’s totally unrealistic to think that Russia intends to attack Poland. Materially, the military-industrial complex benefits from keeping Russian-American tensions alive. Peace and disarmament are not in its interest …

    What would the U.S. do if Russia stationed 4,000 of its troops in Matamoros, Mexico? What would the U.S. do if Mexico had an F-16 air force as Poland does and if it equipped them with new stealthy Russian-supplied cruise missiles that had a range of 620 miles? What feelings would be aroused in people who live in the American states within that range to know that Russian forces were at their doorstep? Yes, you would not hear the end of the protests from Washington. Washington would respond with enormous demands and pressures. …
    Last edited by AZJoe; 01-15-2017 at 07:01 AM.
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    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    "Thus from now on nearly four thousands American soldiers will be stationed on Russia doorstep for ever.
    Overall US has 70,000 troops in Europe. Russia has zero troops in North America."



    "The move is so big it will require 37 trains and over one thousand rail cars to transport from Germany to Poland."
    http://www.thefringenews.com/after-t...sian-frontier/


    "What would the U.S. do if Russia stationed 4,000 of its troops in Matamoros, Mexico? What would the U.S. do if Mexico had an F-16 air force as Poland does and if it equipped them with new stealthy Russian-supplied cruise missiles that had a range of 620 miles?" https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog...payer-expense/
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    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    At the request of Poland.
    of course not .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    At the request of Poland.
    Yes like how how the Intervention in Libya was at the request of Libyans and they wanted their own country bombed to no end? and now the country is a failed state.

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    Must have cost a lot to pull off the logistics. Obama's last cash throw to the MIC.




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    From PCR: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017...craig-roberts/

    What is the point of the US troops moving across Poland toward Russia?

    The answer is to keep alive the Western propaganda that Russia is a threat and to make it as difficult as possible for Trump to normalize relations with Russia. It is extraordinary that the US military is conducting this provocative exercise that contradicts the policy of the incoming president. The US military, the CIA, and their whores in the US media are undemocratically pursuing their own agenda independently of the policy of the president-elect. According to the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, US intelligence officials have even warned the Israeli government not to share intelligence information with the Trump administration: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.764711 ...

    Nothing speaks more clearly of the unbridled evil of the US Establishment than its willingness to risk conflict with Russia for the sake of its hold on power and profit. Where is the liberal-left’s moral conscience? Why is the liberal-left helping the military/security complex delegitimize Trump and box him in so that his agenda is dead on arrival and thermo-nuclear war remains an option?
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    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Yes, Obama wants war with Russia. That is why he hasn't attacked them in his eight year term.

    Now it will be Trump's turn.

    http://www.defensenews.com/articles/...ough-on-russia

    Trump's Secretary of State Nominee Talks Tough on Russia


    WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald Trump’s pick for secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, offered tough talk on Russia on Wednesday, saying it “poses a danger” to the US and that he would have backed a military response to Russia’s annexation of Crimea.

    The pragmatic but muscular stance seemed to put Tillerson at odds with the president-elect, who has repeatedly said he wants deeper ties between Washington and Moscow. The former Exxon Mobile CEO’s comments also suggested a transactional relationship with Russia and other rival nations, which is in line with Trump’s foreign policy pronouncements.

    “We have to move Russia from being an adversary always to a partner at times, and on other issues, we’re going to be adversaries,” Tillerson said. He suggested Russia might get a reset from the US, saying he recommends the new administration “leave things at the status quo to convey that this could go either way.”

    At his Senate Foreign Relations confirmation hearing Wednesday, Tillerson stopped short of affirming Russian military actions in Syria made Russian President Vladimir Putin a “war criminal,” but said if shown evidence, he would consider the designation. He called an intelligence report alleging Russia interfered in US elections “clearly troubling.”
    When he was asked whether Russia has a legal claim to Crimea, his response was a swift “no.” He argued the US had a weak response to Russia’s annexation in 2014, which inadvertently encouraged Russia to advance into eastern Ukraine, “the next illegal action."

    His response, he said, would have been to recommend Ukraine mass forces on the eastern border, arm those forces with defensive lethal weapons, share intelligence with them and call on NATO to provide air surveillance.

    “The absence of a very firm and forcible response to Crimea was judged by the leadership in Russia as a weak response,” Tillerson said, adding: “I think what Russia would have understood is strong response, that yes, you took Crimea, but this stops right here.
    Trump's Defense Secretary nominee was also tough on Russia: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...-tough-n706076

    Trump’s Defense Secretary Pick, ‘Mad Dog’ Mattis, Talks Tough on Russia

    President-elect Donald Trump's pick for defense secretary made it clear Thursday that he believes Russia is no friend to the U.S., calling the country a "principal threat."

    "Russia...is an adversary in key areas," James "Mad Dog" Mattis told the Senate Armed Services Committee. "I'm all for engagement, but we also have to recognize reality and what Russia is up to."

    Mattis joins Trump picks who have taken a strong stance on Russia during confirmation hearings this week. Trump's choice for CIA director, Rep. Mike Pompeo, sounded similar notes during his own confirmation hearing Thursday and Secretary of State nominee, Rex Tillerson echoed those sentiments during his hearing on Wednesday.

    "Deterrence is critical" to face growing threats from Russia, China, and terrorist groups, Mattis said.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 01-15-2017 at 07:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Must have cost a lot to pull off the logistics. Obama's last cash throw to the MIC.

    Yea, he is spending tax payers money to lay all these "landmines" for Trump knowing full well that Trump would be reversing almost everything being done now.
    Tax payers will be paying again when Trump orders troops to leave Poland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    So we're taking our marching order from Polacks now?
    Yep. Also from the butthurts, swamp dwellers, CIA, war profiteers.

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