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    Default [Update: Rejected by GOP] Rand Paul offers his own balanced budget plan

    http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/01...st-five-years/

    Earlier this month, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul took to the floor to give a blistering message about the Republican’s latest budget plan that wouldn’t balance, but would in fact add nearly $10 trillion to our already mounting debt.

    The 20 minute presentation he gave detailed how Republicans put forth the budget, not as a budget, but as the “vehicle to repeal Obamacare.” Paul was not having this, and with some visual aids, showed his fellow Republicans the mistake they were making.

    The speech itself was popular, especially among libertarian and conservative groups, but few people have time to watch a 20 minute speech. So Paul decided to make a shorter, more concise version in a new YouTube video. During it, he highlights the important points of his 20 minute speech, including the fact that he’s willing to scrap the budget that will ad $9.7 trillion to our debt, and offer one that will actually work.

    “We are in such a hurry to repeal Obamacare,” says Paul. “Look, I’m all for it. As a physician, nobody thinks that Obamacare has been worse for the country. Nobody thinks it’s a worse piece of legislation than I do. And yet, do we have to add nearly $10 trillion in debt to get at it.

    “So as this moves forward, I will offer a replacement,” said Paul. “I will offer my own budget. I will offer to strike and remove $10 trillion worth of debt, and I will offer my own budget that balances within five years.”

    Paul’s plan to balance the budget is simple, and all he plans to do is freeze spending on the budget. He says doing so will cause the budget to balance itself out in just over five years.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjNTOZqn0Oc



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    Aaaand the spendthrift GOP utterly rejected it. I think what, only five or eight Republicans in the Senate were okay with balancing the budget?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    Aaaand the spendthrift GOP utterly rejected it. I think what, only five or eight Republicans in the Senate were okay with balancing the budget?
    Now WE get to spend the money! Make it rain!
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    I hope Rand continues to hold a mirror up to the GOP pussies and continues to be the Honey Badger of the Senate
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    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Default Rand's balanced budget voted down 14-83

    Voted down 14-83.
    These are the 14 Senators who supported a balanced budget:

    Mike Crapo
    Ted Cruz
    Steve Daines
    Jeff Flake
    John Kennedy
    James Lankford
    Mike Lee
    Jerry Moran
    James Risch
    Marco Rubio
    Ben Sasse
    Tim Scott,
    Pat Toomey
    Rand Paul

    ...The measure would have balanced the budget over roughly five years but retain the guidelines for nixing the Affordable Care Act.

    Paul pitched his spending measure ahead of the vote as a "conservative budget" that could still appeal to senators in both parties.

    "I think there's something in my version of a budget for both Republicans and Democrats because mine calls for a freeze in spending, but would allow the different appropriations committees to decide where the spending would be cut," he said.

    The Senate is expected to pass the shell budget this week, which includes repeal instructions, with a marathon voting session tentatively expected for Wednesday.

    Republicans need 50 votes to clear the resolution. With Paul expected to vote against, it they can only afford to lose one additional GOP senator...
    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-actio...lanced-budget*
    Hmmm. Just one two more senators needed to block it.
    Last edited by Valli6; 01-10-2017 at 12:53 PM.

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    Rand Paul just removed any pretense that those GOP politicians care about balancing the budget. Kudos again to Rand. And kudos for the other 13 that supported it.
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    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

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    I have a plan that does it in one year.
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    Thumbs down Republicans reject Rand's balanced budget

    Republicans acting like Democrats, as usual...

    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-actio...alanced-budget
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    They are for it unless they actually have to vote on one and make the hard choices necessary to achieve one. They can't blame it on the Democrats for blocking one now.

    I haven't seen recent figures from Rand on this but his previous proposal relied on tax revenues rising by 25% along with cuts to achieve the target of balancing it. With Trump and his Big Ideas I doubt spending reduction is going to be very fashionable in Congress.
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    The Republicans were the original big spending party. Of course they aren't going to cut anything. They aren't even going to spend less.
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    They both love to spend. It is intended to woo voters by giving money to their favorite programs. They just have different priorities. For the Republicans it is usually aid to business and military spending. For Democrats it is is more aid directly to individuals.
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    This is my surprised face.
    Beyond hope:
    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    I think [Trump] is going to cut the [Pentagon] budget.
    Still hopeful:
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    I give Trump 1 year to put [Clinton] in jail. See you in January 2018 about this issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jan2017 View Post
    Within the first 100 days Trump/Rand will have Ryan gone as Speaker.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    [Paul Ryan being kicked out of speakership] happens soon after the vote fails.

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    He should expand the time frame and see if any of these Republicans budge. Say a 10 year balanced budget plan. That way they can't weasel and claim it was "too extreme".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    They both love to spend. It is intended to woo voters by giving money to their favorite programs. They just have different priorities. For the Republicans it is usually aid to business and military spending. For Democrats it is is more aid directly to individuals.
    LOL. Who do you think you are fooling? Crony socialism is just the same as crony corporatism. Eventually some money trickles down to average individuals, but the crony establishment and middle men takes big cuts at every stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudeman View Post
    He should expand the time frame and see if any of these Republicans budge. Say a 10 year balanced budget plan. That way they can't weasel and claim it was "too extreme".
    It's not a matter of time or extremity. With the results of the election, the Republicans are going into the looting phase of the political process.
    Beyond hope:
    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    I think [Trump] is going to cut the [Pentagon] budget.
    Still hopeful:
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    I give Trump 1 year to put [Clinton] in jail. See you in January 2018 about this issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jan2017 View Post
    Within the first 100 days Trump/Rand will have Ryan gone as Speaker.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    [Paul Ryan being kicked out of speakership] happens soon after the vote fails.

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    We will never get the numbers to affect change. Not in my lifetime.

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    Is Trump not giving the Senate a mandate to balance the budget?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Is Trump not giving the Senate a mandate to balance the budget?
    He has promised everything. $trillions to rebuild infrastructure- new roads, bridges, dame. Hundreds of $billions to build his wall. $trillions more added to defense spending. $trillions in tax cuts. And yet to balance the budget in eight years. Something will have to give.

    http://2016.presidential-candidates....federal-budget

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    DONALD TRUMP: “I would insist on it relatively soon. Right now we're so under, we're so far under that you can't go too quickly. But I would absolutely insist on it relatively soon.”
    If Congress agrees with his proposals, it will break the budget- not balance it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    Voted down 14-83.
    These are the 14 Senators who supported a balanced budget:

    Mike Crapo
    Ted Cruz
    Steve Daines
    Jeff Flake
    John Kennedy
    James Lankford
    Mike Lee
    Jerry Moran
    James Risch
    Marco Rubio
    Ben Sasse
    Tim Scott,
    Pat Toomey
    Rand Paul


    Hmmm. Just one two more senators needed to block it.
    I think he's got 2 more who will vote against it because of the Obamacare stuff mixed in. At least he did last week.
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    It's an interesting situation. Kind of puts Rand's support from Trump on the matter to the forefront. Trump could veto this plan, which would put him at odds with the Congress right from the get-go.

    And, if there's a throw-down between Trump and Congress, I think Trump is viewed more favorably by the public. He could probably go on his Twitter account and tell people to call their Senators and tell them to stop f'king around and half of them would have their own piss running down their legs before Congress voted again.

    Like it or not, Trump has a lot of influence right now.

    He could do a lot of good.

    He could do a lot of bad.

    Not expecting much, but that's just the situation as I see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    It's an interesting situation. Kind of puts Rand's support from Trump on the matter to the forefront. Trump could veto this plan, which would put him at odds with the Congress right from the get-go.

    And, if there's a throw-down between Trump and Congress, I think Trump is viewed more favorably by the public. He could probably go on his Twitter account and tell people to call their Senators and tell them to stop f'king around and half of them would have their own piss running down their legs before Congress voted again.

    Like it or not, Trump has a lot of influence right now.

    He could do a lot of good.

    He could do a lot of bad.

    Not expecting much, but that's just the situation as I see it.

    Congress is Trump's bitch right now, even more so than traditionally, even more so than when Obama was in charge.

    Everyone in DC knows Trump is nearly invincible, anyone that picks a fight with him loses. He is hard to plan against politically because anything that he does has unpredictable outcomes.

    Rand (and liberty movement) really caught a lucky break with Trump seeing him on TV and then phoning in his support. Wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    $trillions ... Hundreds of $billions ... $trillions more... $trillions in tax cuts.
    Great, another h. e. panqui.

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    https://twitter.com/justinamash/stat...37524540448768
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post

    https://twitter.com/justinamash/stat...37524540448768
    The purists would've said Rand didn't do enough, if he was a true free market and human advocate, he would've introduced killing spending 100% and ending government across the board so we could all feel good about ourselves.
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