Rand Paul to oppose budget resolution as vehicle for Obamacare repeal

[tsai3904]

Repealing Obamacare Could Be Trump's First Lesson in the Glacial Pace of Congress

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Republicans will first have to overcome a revolt from Senator Rand Paul on unrelated budget issues, with the Kentucky Republican saying Tuesday in an interview he would oppose the budget resolution because it adds significantly to the deficit.

"It never gets to balance. Not in 10 years, not in 100 years, not in 1,000," Paul said.

"Every Republican that was here voted for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution that said it should balance in five years, but yet they are putting together a budget that never balances," he said. Paul added he isn’t swayed by the argument that the numbers don’t matter and are merely a way to fast-track the Obamacare repeal bill.

Indeed, the resolution sees the deficit rising nearly every year before hitting north of $1 trillion in 2026 alone, with the national debt hitting $29 trillion that year.

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More:
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...-congress-pace

Here are the deficit and debt numbers from the budget resolution, S.Con.Res. 3:



http://www.budget.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HEN17065.pdf

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[jllundqu]

Time to separate the men from the boys on this forum... (no offense, ladies).

This move by Rand is PRINCIPLED and HONORABLE. I FULLY SUPPORT his stand to push for a balanced budget.

The Trumphumpers will pounce on Rand for this and I think this should be put front and center to debate... This site should SUPPORT RAND in this action and not take any $#@! from the Trumpsters

[georgiaboy]

Well done, Rand.

Shame on all those other so called conservative senators. Just disgusting.

[dean.engelhardt]

Most republican congress member would be fine repealing the ACA, then handing insurance companies a couple hundred billion dollar bailout in a few months. Rand is right; free market health insurance can work.

[CPUd]

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/816751090221858818

[fcreature]

Will be business as usual over the next 4 years. Nothing new here.

[Tywysog Cymru]

FOX News will doubtlessly paint Rand as pro-Obamacare for this.

[GunnyFreedom]

It's a lot to take in in a single glance but may help make the argument.

[Mr.NoSmile]

Oh. I was wondering why he was suddenly trending on Twitter.

[eleganz]

New year just begun and Rand is already off before the gun fires, all of the DC staff must be jealous of how pro-active, passionate and intellectual Rand's libertarian staff must be.

[Makes Interesting Points]

Here is the full version of the rant. That was satisfying to watch!

[jllundqu]

Here is the full version of the rant. That was satisfying to watch!

Ted Kennedy was "The Lion of the Senate".... Rand needs a spirit animal, stat. This is going to be an awesome 4-8 years with Rand back in true form kicking ass for the cause of liberty.

All I have to say is

[CPUd]

https://twitter.com/justinamash/stat...43115769008128

[jllundqu]

https://twitter.com/justinamash/stat...43115769008128

CPUd is obviously a Hillary shill.... just look at how he hates Rand Paul

[adam220891]

Here is the full version of the rant. That was satisfying to watch!

Use this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBWJ_LW_hBI

HD + give Rand your views

[tsai3904]

Mike Lee, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio wrote a letter to McConnell saying they support repealing Obamacare but oppose the numbers in the budget. All three voted to proceed with debate on the budget.

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Second, we seek your commitment to passing a fiscal year 2018 budget resolution that sets our new, unified Republican federal government on a path to balance in 10 years without the use of budgetary gimmicks or tax increases. Our votes in favor of the “Obamacare Repeal Resolution” do not indicate in any way our support for the revenue, spending, and deficit numbers therein, nor for the use of those numbers as the basis for future federal budgets.

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https://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=2941

[phill4paul]

Ted Kennedy was "The Lion of the Senate".... Rand needs a spirit animal, stat.

[silverhandorder]

CPUd is obviously a Hillary shill.... just look at how he hates Rand Paul

Camo.

[Superfluous Man]

According to the Trump supporters, this is being divisive.

[jllundqu]

You're either with Trump and the Republicans, or you're against them!

/sarc

[Krugminator2]

So Republicans put forward a budget that increases the debt by the same dollar amount (lower percentage obv) as Barack Obama? If this is non-binding why non put forward a budget that pretends spending restraint? Why not put forward the penny plan?

Republicans are starting negotiations with an awful budget and Democrats are still going accuse Republicans of starving grandma to death.

And Republicans aren't going to put forward any fix for Obamacare for three years? The number of people who pay full fare for Obamacare who will be mildly happy with repeal (me for instance) is pretty small whereas you are going to take something away from a lot of people with no plan in place to make it easier for those people to get insurance. Horrible politics. And they aren't even talking about full repeal. They are talking about keeping the worst parts. Getting rid of the mandate is nice but forcing insurance companies to cover people with preexisting conditions and keeping kids on the policy until 26 are part of what drive up costs. The likely solution doesn't even address the problems of health insurance costs.

[silverhandorder]

According to the Trump supporters, this is being divisive.

I have yet to see a Trump supporter comment here. I skimmed so if I missed link it.

[asurfaholic]

So Republicans put forward a budget that increases the debt by the same dollar amount (lower percentage obv) as Barack Obama? If this is non-binding why non put forward a budget that pretends spending restraint? Why not put forward the penny plan?

Republicans are starting negotiations with an awful budget and Democrats are still going accuse Republicans of starving grandma to death.

And Republicans aren't going to put forward any fix for Obamacare for three years? The number of people who pay full fare for Obamacare who will be mildly happy with repeal (me for instance) is pretty small whereas you are going to take something away from a lot of people with no plan in place to make it easier for those people to get insurance. Horrible politics. And they aren't even talking about full repeal. They are talking about keeping the worst parts. Getting rid of the mandate is nice but forcing insurance companies to cover people with preexisting conditions and keeping kids on the policy until 26 are part of what drive up costs. The likely solution doesn't even address the problems of health insurance costs.

I had a interesting conversation with a local OB Doctor (he's a family friend. I asked him about what he thought of Obamacare. He says that no matter if there's a law saying that insurance must cover pre-existing conditions or what, somebody has to pay for these people. The poor don't get turned away from the hospital regardless of Obamacare. The prexisting don't get turned down. So somebody ends up paying for it, whether through increased costs at the hospital of a mandate. So repealing the mandate is just shifting the costs back to someone else.

It's a bad situation and honestly I don't think it will ever get fixed unless there is a fundamental shift in the core of who people are, which is highly unlikely.

I'd like to hear ideas on how you deal with the slacks of the world who want it all but won't work to pay for it. Or the truly needy who have appendicitis and need surgery just like anyone else. Do you advocated a hospital refusing service until acceptable means of payment are verified? Do people with preexisting conditions just have to deal with it?

[silverhandorder]

I had a interesting conversation with a local OB Doctor (he's a family friend. I asked him about what he thought of Obamacare. He says that no matter if there's a law saying that insurance must cover pre-existing conditions or what, somebody has to pay for these people. The poor don't get turned away from the hospital regardless of Obamacare. The prexisting don't get turned down. So somebody ends up paying for it, whether through increased costs at the hospital of a mandate. So repealing the mandate is just shifting the costs back to someone else.

It's a bad situation and honestly I don't think it will ever get fixed unless there is a fundamental shift in the core of who people are, which is highly unlikely.

I'd like to hear ideas on how you deal with the slacks of the world who want it all but won't work to pay for it. Or the truly needy who have appendicitis and need surgery just like anyone else. Do you advocated a hospital refusing service until acceptable means of payment are verified? Do people with preexisting conditions just have to deal with it?

This stuff was covered a long time ago...

Needy and pre existing are not the only things that drive the costs in this system. Spreading the risk pool to low risk people is one of those things. Let old people get wiped out with bills not the young. Don't pay for female hygiene treatments and etc. Eliminate these things and you go back to 2008 level of health care.

Also the 2008 system is broken too but that is besides the point.

And the way you cover truly needy in a real market either with loans or charity.

[Origanalist]

I have yet to see a Trump supporter comment here. I skimmed so if I missed link it.

Do your own homework.

[silverhandorder]

Do your own homework.

I did. You are arguing with hallucinations.

[jmdrake]

I had a interesting conversation with a local OB Doctor (he's a family friend. I asked him about what he thought of Obamacare. He says that no matter if there's a law saying that insurance must cover pre-existing conditions or what, somebody has to pay for these people. The poor don't get turned away from the hospital regardless of Obamacare. The prexisting don't get turned down. So somebody ends up paying for it, whether through increased costs at the hospital of a mandate. So repealing the mandate is just shifting the costs back to someone else.

It's a bad situation and honestly I don't think it will ever get fixed unless there is a fundamental shift in the core of who people are, which is highly unlikely.

I'd like to hear ideas on how you deal with the slacks of the world who want it all but won't work to pay for it. Or the truly needy who have appendicitis and need surgery just like anyone else. Do you advocated a hospital refusing service until acceptable means of payment are verified? Do people with preexisting conditions just have to deal with it?

The mandate issue is one of fundamental personal freedom and it should be repealed on that basis alone. But on top of that Obamacare makes no economic sense whatsoever. Why the hell should I have to pay for some geezer's Viagra coverage? "Well you may need Viagra someday?" Nonsense! I may want Viagra someday but I will never freaking need it. If sex is a need that should be covered by health insurance than prostitution should be legal and my health insurance plan should pay for it.

These two videos tell you all you need to know about Obamacare. And they were made by liberals.

[Origanalist]

I did. You are arguing with hallucinations.

So you're a hallucination. Duly noted, and not all that surprising,

[Origanalist]