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    DEA Tries to Make Cannabis CBD Oil Illegal

    https://www.leafly.com/news/politics...o-joke-illegal

    New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil is Really, Truly, No-Joke Illegal

    Bruce Barcott
    December 14, 2016

    The US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) made CBD oil a little more federally illegal in a little-noticed bureaucratic maneuver this morning.
    Today’s Federal Register (Dec. 14, 2016) contains an item (21 CFR Part 1308) that establishes a new drug code for “marihuana extract.”

    “This code,” wrote DEA Acting Administrator Chuck Rosenberg, “will allow DEA and DEA-registered entities to track quantities of this material separately from quantities of marihuana.” The move, the Register entry explained, is meant to bring the US into compliance with international drug-control treaties.

    There is no major change in law brought about by the Register item. Rather, it serves to clarify and reinforce the DEA’s position on all cannabis extracts, including CBD oil. That position is: They are all federally illegal Schedule I substances. “Extracts of marihuana will continue to be treated as Schedule I controlled substances,” the notice says.

    CBD oil derived from hemp is now commonly available nationwide via web sites and mail order services. Those operations survive on the assumption that cannabidiol products below the legal threshold for THC percentage in hemp (0.3 percent or less) are technically legal.
    Not so, says the DEA.

    In the DEA comment on the entry, Rosenberg directly addressed the question: What if it’s only cannabidiol (CBD) and no other cannabinoids? The agency’s response: “For practical purposes, all extracts that contain CBD will also contain at least small amounts of other cannabinoids. However, if it were possible to produce from the cannabis plant an extract that contained only CBD and no other cannabinoids, such an extract would fall within the new drug code” and therefore remain federally illegal. In other words: The DEA is confident that it can find enough traces of other cannabinoids in your CBD oil to arrest and prosecute. And if they can’t, they still have the option of arresting and prosecuting based on the CBD oil itself.


    Is your CBD derived from hemp? Doesn’t matter to the DEA. The new extracts classification applies to all “extracts that have been derived from any plant of the genus Cannabis and which contain cannabinols and cannabidiols.” Hemp is not a separate genus. (Although it may be a separate species; lot of debate on that point.) Legally speaking, hemp is simply cannabis with no more than 0.3 percent THC content.


    The new rule seems to clarify the DEA’s position on hemp-derived CBD, which entered a legal gray area following Congress’ passage of the 2014 farm bill. That legislation allowed certain states to grow hemp in pilot projects, and blocked federal law enforcement authorities (ie, the DEA) from interfering with state agencies, hemp growers, and agricultural research.


    What DEA Administrator Rosenberg seems to be saying with this clarification is: You may be able to grow hemp. But if you try to extract CBD oil from it, the DEA considers that a federal crime.


    The rule did not contain any hint as to when the DEA will step into the 21st century and stop using the archaic version of the word “marihuana.”


    UPDATE 12/14/2016, 2:20pm PST:



    Although the DEA considers CBD oil to be a federally illegal Schedule I drug, there are temporary safeguards in place that protect patients in many states from federal prosecution over possession of the oil.


    The Rohrabacher-Farr amendment is the most important of those protections. Originally passed in 2014, the amendment to a Congressional appropriations bill prohibits the Justice Department from spending funds to interfere with the implementation of state medical cannabis laws. (It is silent on adult-use laws.) In August, the federal 9th US Circuit Court upheld Rohrabacher-Farr in the face of a challenge brought by federal prosecutors. Leafly has an explanation of that case here.


    The amendment is the chief piece of legislation preventing federal law enforcement officials from prosecuting patients for possessing CBD products in the 28 legal medical cannabis states, and the District of Columbia. In addition, 16 states have passed so-called CBD-only laws that allow patients and caregivers to possess non-psychoactive CBD products. Those CBD-only laws usually allow no legal avenue to produce or obtain the products, however.


    Rohrabacher-Farr must be renewed every year. If it’s not, its safeguards disappear. The amendment was most recently renewed last Friday, Dec. 9, as part of the continuing House resolution known as HR 2028, which funds the federal government through April 28, 2017. When that resolution expires next April, so does the protections afforded by Rohrabacher-Farr. Unless it’s renewed once again.


    Experts and industry react


    It’s unclear whether today’s action is a signal from the DEA to the incoming Trump administration, or just a bit of shelf-clearing before DEA Administrator Rosenberg rides into the sunset with the rest of the Obama administration. This rule, after all, finalizes a proposed rulemaking notice that first appeared more than five years ago, on July 5, 2011.


    Robert Hoban, a Colorado cannabis attorney and adjunct professor of law at the University of Denver, raised the notion that the rule itself may not be lawful. “This action is beyond the DEA’s authority,” Hoban told Leafly in an interview late this afternoon. “The DEA can only carry out the law, they cannot create it. Here they’re purporting to create an entirely new category called ‘marijuana extracts,’ and by doing so wrest control over all cannabinoids. They want to call all cannabinoids illegal. But they don’t have the authority to do that.”


    The new DEA rule, Hoban said, may threaten hundreds, possibly thousands, of jobs and growing businesses. Those business owners based their investments and careers on previous definitions of hemp and cannabidiol in the Controlled Substances Act and modified by federal courts. And that’s where this latest turn of events could end up. “We will see the federal government in court,” Hoban said.



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    Let the families of those who suffer beat and maim the bureaucrats involved......


    [edit]

    Here's the offensive $#@! named in the article;

    Chuck Rosenberg

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    What if Trump made the ju-ju weed legal across the board..?

    own it, grow it, extracts, the whole shooting match.

    that would be amaze-balls.

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    Intro on CBD from wiki;
    Cannabidiol (CBD) (INN)[5] is one of at least 113 active cannabinoids identified in cannabis.[6][7] It is a major phytocannabinoid, accounting for up to 40% of the plant's extract.[8] CBD is considered to have a wide scope of potential medical applications due to clinical reports showing the lack of side effects, particularly a lack of psychoactivity (as is typically associated with ∆9-THC), and non-interference with several psychomotor learning and psychological functions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    Intro on CBD from wiki;
    wiki is wiki.

    I mix a High CBD strain ( Critical Mass)into my personal blend.

    Though mine is 11.1% CBD,, 0.9% THC . as tested

    And these are some sick cruel animals.
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    Another intro

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    CBD Banned -- DEA Reclassifies Non-THC Cannabis Oil as Schedule 1

    Evil.

    Not sure why all the question marks at activist post. If it's on schedule 1, then it's banned.

    http://www.activistpost.com/2016/12/...chedule-1.html

    A CBD ban appears to have been put in place by the DEA (Drug Enforcement Administration), an agency of the US Government. Two days ago on their website, they posted a notice that they had made a “new rule,” effective Dec. 14th 2016, to classify “marihuana extract” (their antiquated spelling, not mine) as a Schedule 1 drug. What this means is that CBD (cannabidiol) extracts which have trace amounts of, or absolutely no THC, and are therefore non-psychoactive, are now reclassified to be on par with psychoactive or THC-containing cannabis, heroin, LSD and peyote.

    This latent stunt by the DEA is sure to be met with fierce resistance by a legion of Americans who are well aware of the health benefits of the cannabis plant. Legally speaking, the move is also highly dubious in nature, given that the DEA is by definition part of the executive branch of government (tasked with carrying out laws and enforcing them), not the legislative branch of government (tasked with making laws). Does this new rule carry legal weight? Will it amount to a CBD ban?

    Kickback from Kratom?


    The timing of this move is interesting, given how recently the DEA tried to reschedule another substance: kratom. It was only around 5 months ago that the DEA tried to reclassify kratom by attempting to place it in the dreaded Schedule 1 category. A determined number of Americans fought back and the DEA decided to drop the matter. Some have speculated that the reason may have been to help the DEA’s favorite client, Big Pharma:
    [...]
    If these compounds are so dangerous, why on earth would Big Pharma be synthesizing them to make medicine? It just doesn’t seem to add up, but the federal agency continues to go along with their story of supposed danger to society, hoping we’ll all fall for it. It really tells you all you need to know about the DEA and their relationship with Big Pharma though, doesn’t it?”
    In other words, the DEA, like the FDA, are allowing Big Pharma to pursue its business model of biopiracy, i.e. find a plant or something from Nature, study its constituents, learn how to extract them, steal them, modify them and patent them, and then destroy people’s ability to get the original. It’s the synthetic agenda.

    Text of the New Rule Regarding CBD from the DEA


    Here’s the text of the new rule:

    Final Action

    After careful consideration of all comments, the DEA is hereby amending 21 CFR 1308.11(d) to include a new subparagraph (58) which creates a new code number in Schedule I as follows:

    (58) Marihuana Extract—7350

    Meaning an extract containing one or more cannabinoids that has been derived from any plant of the genus Cannabis, other than the separated resin (whether crude or purified) obtained from the plant.

    The creation of this new drug code in the DEA regulations for marihuana extracts allows for more appropriate accounting of such materials consistent with treaty provisions. Such marihuana Start Printed Page 90196extracts remain in Schedule I. Entities registered to handle marihuana (under drug code 7360) that also handle marihuana extracts, will need to apply to modify their registrations to add the new drug code 7350 to their existing DEA registrations and procure quotas specifically for drug code 7350 each year.
    What is the Legality of the New DEA Rule? What are the Chances it Will Result in a CBD Ban?

    Since this story is breaking, there is still much uncertainty about whether it will lead to a CBD ban or not...
    Only a few M$M articles on it so far.

    Cannabis extract CBD, protected by Rylie's Law, banned by DEA
    http://www.delmarvanow.com/story/new...-dea/95512560/

    The new federal classification aims to provide better clarity in regulation under international treaties. Formerly, CBD and other non-psychoactive extracts from cannabis were not classified under federal law, leaving only marijuana itself and THC, the main intoxicating component of cannabis, as scheduled substances.

    The new legislation changes those definitions, opening up separate classifications for different extracts, placing scheduling on "an extract containing one or more cannabinoids that has been derived from any plant of the genus Cannabis, other than the separated resin (whether crude or purified) obtained from the plant.’’
    Idaho business selling CBD oil opposes ban
    http://www.krem.com/news/local/koote...-ban/371319299

    According to an article on leafly.com, a marijuana trade website, the US Drug Enforcement Administration clarified and reinforced their position that all cannabis extracts, like CBD, are illegal.

    The DEA action did not bring about any major change in law, but rather reinforced their position.
    [...]
    What’s occurring here is that, again, we don’t have government,” Wilson said, “we have corporate representatives. And the corporations have told government we can’t really have competition.”

    In Idaho, CBDs are in somewhat of a gray area, Wilson said. In 2015, Governor Butch Otter vetoes a state bill that would have allowed Idaho parents to treat their epileptic children with CBD.
    Unconscionable. I hope they all enjoy hell when they get there.
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    Don't worry, it's only illegal if you get caught and aren't rich enough to fight it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    Evil.

    Not sure why all the question marks at activist post. If it's on schedule 1, then it's banned.
    Hemp is not schedule 1, it is legal to possess hemp products and the DEA has clarified that if it is under .3% THC then it is considered a hemp product and legal. CBD extracts generally contain less than .3% THC and are often derived from hemp. So the leafly article I posted actually has lawyers who are suggesting that the DEA is basically making stuff up and they would probably lose in court.
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    Truly evil.



    Cannabis is a Gift from God,, and no one has the right to ban such.
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    Well that $#@!ing figures.
    We're on week 2 of having our daughter on it, and we were supposed to have confirmed by week 3 whether it's working.
    Anyone want to make a bet her seizures completely stop until the bottle runs out?

    But I did the pricing, it's actually less expensive for me to buy black market pot and make my own CBD oil. I was only not doing that because there was a legal alternative.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Sorry, I didn't see it! Mind if I ask the mods to move yours to US Political News and merge mine into it?
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    I've read about the DEA killing people, but never cannabis CBDs.

    Inanimate CBDs aren't the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    But I did the pricing, it's actually less expensive for me to buy black market pot and make my own CBD oil. I was only not doing that because there was a legal alternative.
    Whoa, wait a minute.. you are planning to make CBD oil using black market herb? Are you sure? It's a pretty intensive and difficult process to separate the THC and the CBD from what I understand, as far as lab equipment and materials needed.

    RSO oil you can make somewhat easily, but if you want it to have low THC and high CBD then you need to start out with herb that is low THC and high CBD, which you are unlikely to find on the black market. Hemp would work.

    I buy 99% CBD extract from a website in Colorado, they sell it for about $60/gram retail, but they occasionally have sales where they will sell it for $50/gram and even as low as $30/gram which is insanely cheap.. I live in CA and I would expect to pay at least $65-$80+ here so I order it from them. I like my CBDs.

    Looks like it's not on sale right now, but it appears to be for sale at least... and you can buy in bulk for a little cheaper:

    http://www.cbdcolorado.co/
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    Disgusting sub-human pieces of filth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Hemp is not schedule 1, it is legal to possess hemp products and the DEA has clarified that if it is under .3% THC then it is considered a hemp product and legal. CBD extracts generally contain less than .3% THC and are often derived from hemp. So the leafly article I posted actually has lawyers who are suggesting that the DEA is basically making stuff up and they would probably lose in court.
    If you have the means to fight it in court (while also realizing that the defense attorney and prosecutor work for the same team....) But stuff like this isn't about making it "more illegal", it's about creating justifications for asset seizures as cannabis becomes more "legal" around the country. Now, the DEA can put forth a justification for raiding and seizing assets of purely CBD-from-hemp producing facilities. DEA is backing away from prosecutions over legal state cannabis operations but still wants the ability to smash-and-grab any company they want. It's pretty hard to fight asset seizures once the DEA has ordered any accounts and assets frozen and stolen the cash.
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    I've been waiting for Obama to make a big pro-cannabis PR move on his way out.

    Guess not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    If you have the means to fight it in court (while also realizing that the defense attorney and prosecutor work for the same team....) But stuff like this isn't about making it "more illegal", it's about creating justifications for asset seizures as cannabis becomes more "legal" around the country. Now, the DEA can put forth a justification for raiding and seizing assets of purely CBD-from-hemp producing facilities. DEA is backing away from prosecutions over legal state cannabis operations but still wants the ability to smash-and-grab any company they want. It's pretty hard to fight asset seizures once the DEA has ordered any accounts and assets frozen and stolen the cash.
    The even bigger picture is that hemp is a threat to oil, plastic & cotton industries. This is why hemp was declared a "drug" in the first place and it's sister plant, marijuana, was pushed as EVIL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    The even bigger picture is that hemp is a threat to oil, plastic & cotton industries. This is why hemp was declared a "drug" in the first place and it's sister plant, marijuana, was pushed as EVIL.
    To replace our petroleum with hemp oil we need to plant every square inch of the country with it- and still not have enough. Not a threat to the oil industry. Ditto for plastics which are made from petroleum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    To replace our petroleum with hemp oil we need to plant every square inch of the country with it- and still not have enough. Not a threat to the oil industry. Ditto for plastics which are made from petroleum.
    Where did you get those figures? Are they based off of corn/ethanol figures?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Where did you get those figures? Are they based off of corn/ethanol figures?

    Figures: (Canola oil has up to three times the yield per acre)

    http://www.biodieselmagazine.com/art...-smoke-clears/

    Finally, there's the relatively low oil productivity of hemp. Hemp seed does have a relatively high oil content of about 33 percent, compared with canola at about 40 percent. However, it has a low seed per-acre yield. Typically, an acre of hemp yields about 700 pounds of seed, although some farmers have enjoyed production numbers as high as 1,200 pounds an acre in good years, Hanks says. Canola growers, on the other hand, can reap a crop of anywhere from 1,500 to 2,600 pounds an acre.

    https://hemp4victory.wordpress.com/2...ield-per-acre/

    Industrial hemp production statistics for Canada indicate that one acre of hemp yields an average of about 700 pounds of grain, which can be pressed into about 50 gallons of oil and 530 pounds of meal.

    That same acre will also produce an average of 5,300 pounds of straw, which can be
    transformed into about 1,300 pounds of fiber.
    One barrel of oil is 45 gallons so 1.1 barrel of oil yield per acre (assuming one barrel of hemp oil is comparable to one barrel of petroleum).

    US consumes seven billion barrels of oil a year. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=33&t=6

    In 2015, the United States consumed a total of 7.08 billion barrels of petroleum products, an average of about 19.4 million barrels per day
    So at 1.1 barrels an acre, we need about seven billion acres to grow our hemp to replace our entire petroleum consumption. Area of the entire US is 2.4 billion acres. https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...+area+in+acres
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 12-17-2016 at 03:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    To replace our petroleum with hemp oil we need to plant every square inch of the country with it- and still not have enough. Not a threat to the oil industry. Ditto for plastics which are made from petroleum.
    And of course you left out cotton and the wood that paper is made out of. Hemp could be used in place of cotton and wood.

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    It does have an advantage over cotton. Cotton requires less energy to produce but hemp uses less water and produces more per acre. But it isn't a very good alternative to petroleum.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health...mentalism.html

    A 2005 report (PDF) by the Stockholm Environment Institute compared the water, land, and energy requirements of cotton, polyester, and hemp textiles. While the study is the most comprehensive investigation of this issue, the results were unsatisfyingly mixed.

    Producing the raw ingredients for any textile consumes more energy than any other stage in the process. Different production techniques, however, can significantly increase or reduce the impact. Since pesticides and herbicides account for more than one-half of the energy in farming either hemp or cotton, organic methods are responsible for less carbon-dioxide emissions. Overall, organic cotton required less energy than organic hemp, but the margin was fairly small. Polyester, a petroleum-based synthetic fabric, was the clear loser by a 3-1 margin, because it takes so much energy to extract the oil required to make it.

    While cotton requires less energy to grow and process than its competitors, it uses a lot of land. The "fabric of our lives" needs approximately twice as much territory as hemp per ton of finished textile, the land-use miser of the bunch. Further complicating matters is the inverse relationship between chemical use and land requirements. While organic farmers can save on energy by cutting synthetic pesticides and herbicides, their yield per acre drops. Polyester, a synthetic fabric made from petroleum, does almost as well as hemp on land use. Apparently, you can get more fabric from an oil field than a cotton field.

    Cotton is the big loser, once again, when it comes to water. The cotton plant needs about 50 percent more water per season than hemp, which can grow with little irrigation. (It's so prolific that the overwhelming majority (PDF) of cannabis plants uprooted by the Drug Enforcement Administration every year are a wild relative of hemp. It's no coincidence they call the stuff weed.) Cotton also tends to be grown in parts of the world where water is scarce. More than one-half of the world's cotton fields rely on irrigation, because it grows in some relatively dry regions, like Egypt, China's Xinjiang province, California, and Texas.

    When you add processing into the equation, cotton uses more than four times as much water as hemp. Polyester is difficult to compare, because it's not an agricultural product. But some studies suggest it's the least water-intensive of the bunch, using just one-thousandth as much water as cotton. (In fact, water is a byproduct of polyester processing.)
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 12-17-2016 at 04:21 PM.

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    Hemp oil does make good fuel, but it is by no means the best kindest or the most energy dense. If there is any vegetative material generally known today with the potential to upturn fuel markets, it would be Sorghum Bicolor.

    That's not downing hemp, obviously, it has a million uses from the same material ranging from kludgy to supreme. Hemp oil for fuel is well along better than average, qualifies as excellent, but Sorghum Bicolor would be supreme.

    It may play a critical role in renewable plastics though, as every plant's chemical profile makes for different characters of plastic. There may be a ratio mix of different biomasses to produce next generation renewable plastics that surpass in quality those we make today from fossil fuel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    Hemp oil does make good fuel, but it is by no means the best kindest or the most energy dense. If there is any vegetative material generally known today with the potential to upturn fuel markets, it would be Sorghum Bicolor.

    That's not downing hemp, obviously, it has a million uses from the same material ranging from kludgy to supreme. Hemp oil for fuel is well along better than average, qualifies as excellent, but Sorghum Bicolor would be supreme.

    It may play a critical role in renewable plastics though, as every plant's chemical profile makes for different characters of plastic. There may be a ratio mix of different biomasses to produce next generation renewable plastics that surpass in quality those we make today from fossil fuel.

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    CBD is very healthy for you imo

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