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    Ron Paul: Shut Down the CIA!

    Ron Paul: Shut Down the CIA!
    by ron paul : http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arch...-down-the-cia/

    Remember back in April, 2007, when then-CIA director George Tenet appeared on 60 Minutes, angrily telling the program host, “we don’t torture people”? … We knew then it was not true because we had already seen the photos of Iraqis tortured at Abu Ghraib prison four years earlier. Still the US administration denied that torture was torture, preferring to call it “enhanced interrogation” … Of course, we later found out that the CIA had not only lied about the torture of large numbers of people after 9/11, but it had vastly exaggerated any valuable information that came from such practices.

    However secret rendition of prisoners to other places was ongoing. The US not only tortured people in its own custody … the European Court of Human Rights found that the US government transferred individuals to secret detention centers … where they were tortured away from public scrutiny. …

    The Obama administration refuses to admit that such facilities existed and instead claims that any such “enhanced interrogation” programs were shut down by 2009. … we should be wary of government promises. After all, they promised us all along that they were not using torture, and we might have never known had photographs and other information not been leaked …

    The president [Obama] has openly justified killing American citizens without charge or trial and he has done so on at least three occasions. There is not much of a gap between torture and extrajudicial murder when it comes to human rights abuses. …

    The CIA was already caught tapping into the computers of Senate investigators ..

    Far from keeping us safer, CIA covert actions across the globe have led to destruction of countries and societies and unprecedented resentment toward the United States. For our own safety, end the CIA!


    RP Podcast End the CIA: http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/podca...ul-end-the-cia
    Last edited by AZJoe; 12-14-2016 at 07:08 AM.
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    ABOLISH, NOT REFORM, THE CIA

    ABOLISH, NOT REFORM, THE CIA
    Jacob G. Hornberger: http://www.fff.org/2014/08/01/why-no...olish-the-cia/

    If anyone thinks that CIA Director John Brennan is going to be severely punished for lying about the CIA’s hacking into the computers of members of Congress who were investigating torture inflicted on people by the CIA, think again. … lying is the official policy of the CIA …

    Indeed, don’t forget Director of National Intelligence James Clapper’s false statements to Congress, in which he lied about the NSA’s surveillance of Americans. Unlike private citizen Martha Stewart, who received a felony conviction and a 6-month jail sentence for lying to federal agents, Clapper got a complete pass …

    Did any CIA agent get indicted for torturing people? No.
    Did any CIA agent get indicted for destroying the videotapes that showed the torture? No.
    Did any CIA agent get indicted for murdering prisoners in Abu Graib prison in Iraq? No. …

    the most powerful agency within the federal government, one that can secretly murder people, on grounds of “national security, and not have to be concerned about being indicted or prosecuted for it. …

    Recall the murders of Charles Horman and Frank Teruggi in Chile … Did any CIA official or U.S. military official get indicted for playing in role in the murders of those two Americans or for the murders of some 3,000 Chileans or for the torture of thousands more? Of course not. That’s because the killings were committed as part of a “national-security” … The same with Anwar al-Awlaki and his 16-year-old son Abdullrahman, two more Americans assassinated by the U.S. national-security state. …

    Consider the fact that the CIA continues its steadfast refusal to release all its records relating to the coup in Chile and the murders of Horman and Teruggi, notwithstanding the fact that President Clinton ordered all such records to be released in the 1990s. The CIA says that “national security” would be threatened …

    It’s no different with respect to the CIA’s records relating to the John Kennedy Assassination. Notwithstanding the JFK Records Act enacted more than 20 years ago, which mandated the release of all such records, the CIA got a pass. It still won’t release its JFK records …

    Moreover, if the records are incriminatory, everyone knows that the CIA will simply destroy them, as they did with the torture videotapes, records relating to MKULTRA, and records relating to the drug experiments that the CIA inflicted on unknowing people. Nobody was prosecuted for those things. …

    The CIA doesn’t need reform, it needs abolition. It is impossible to reconcile the CIA with the principles of a free society. With its long-term programs of detention, torture, assassination, regime-change operations, coups, terrorism, surveillance, and the like, the CIA is characteristic of totalitarian regimes. It has no place in the United States of America

    It’s time for Americans to do what they should have done a long time ago—abolish, not reform, the CIA. It’s time to put a stop to the lying, murdering, assassinating, spying, torturing, and detaining. They have no place in America.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    Chalmers Johnson: Improve the CIA? Better to abolish it
    http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openfo...it-2792378.php

    Why don't we abolish the CIA and make public, as the Constitution requires, the billions spent by the intelligence agencies under the control of the Department of Defense so that Congress might have a fighting chance in doing oversight?

    A few years ago, the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, D-N.Y., suggested that we dismantle the agency that has so often produced catastrophically wrong national intelligence estimates. He was outraged by CIA calculations throughout the Reagan and elder Bush years that overstated the size of the Soviet economy by 50 percent and led our government into a weapons-spending spree that left us the world's largest debtor nation. … the agency has done it again, misleading the nation about the alleged menace posed by the ousted president of Iraq, Saddam Hussein. …

    intelligence collecting and analysis would quickly become camouflage for a private secret army at the personal command of the president devoted to dirty tricks, covert overthrows of foreign governments and planting disinformation …

    Maj. Gen. William J. "Wild Bill" Donovan "saw intelligence analysis as a convenient cover for subversive operations abroad." From our first covert overthrow of a foreign government, the ouster of the prime minister of Iran in 1953 in order to install the young shah Reza Pahlavi, the path to fame and success within the agency was in secret operations, not in writing intelligence estimates. …

    Since the overthrow of the Iranian government in 1953, the CIA has engaged in similar disguised assaults on the governments of Guatemala (1954); the Congo (1960); Cuba (1961); Brazil (1964); Indonesia (1965); Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia (1961-73); Greece (1967); Chile (1973); Afghanistan (1979 to the present); El Salvador, Guatemala and Nicaragua (1980s); and Iraq (1991 to the present) -- to name only the most obvious cases. These operations have generated numerous terrorist attacks and other forms of retaliation -- what the CIA calls "blowback" …

    As for the CIA's prewar intelligence on Iraq … Much of what now is clearly true could have been discovered by talking to experts perfectly willing to be on the public record or simply researched on the Internet. Sam Gardiner, a retired Air Force colonel who taught for years at the National War College and who compiled a "net assessment" of how Iraq would look after a successful U.S. attack, predicted with devastating accuracy the chaos that ensued and did so on the basis of information freely available.

    Who needs a CIA that so regularly underperforms in comparison to what is available on the open market? The high-security classifications of national intelligence estimates are not there to protect sources, but to hide the incompetence and lack of serious effort that goes into producing them. …

    For more in depth by CJ check out this: http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/1984/
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    Bruce Fein: It’s time to abolish the CIA

    Bruce Fein: It’s time to abolish the CIA
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...e-abolish-cia/

    The CIA should be abolished.
    After a trial run of 67 years, the agency has proven a sorcerer’s apprentice. The director and his subordinates have became insufferably arrogant Platonic Guardians hiding behind secrecy in the belief that the rest of us are too stupid or naive to judge what risks to accept to preserve liberty and the rule of law. The CIA has made Americans less safe.

    The CIA will never accept that it works for we the people and our representatives in Congress; and, that the United States Constitution and laws govern everything the CIA does. It will never accept accountability for its actions — including torture, kidnappings, and extrajudicial killings—because it salutes the motto that the ends justify the means, that savagery is justified to defeat perceived savages.

    The CIA is unAmerican. …

    Aside from its scorn for the law and government by the consent of the governed, the CIA has proven detrimental to the national security through its actions and intelligence failures.

    In 1953, the agency orchestrated the overthrow of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mossedeq, the only democratically elected leader in the history of the Middle East. It replaced Mossadeq with the corrupt, narcissistic, and megalomaniacal Shah of Iran. … The agency predictably missed the 1979 Iranian Revolution that ousted the Shah and ushered in Ayatollah Khomeini. …

    In 1954, the agency toppled the Socialist government of Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala. It paved the way for more than three decades of genocidal killings by military dictators targeting the indigenous population. …

    In 1958, the CIA attempted the overthrow of Indonesia’s George Washington, Sukarno. The CIA-inspired revolt was a full-scale military operation involving 42,000 CIA-armed rebels. It failed. In 1965, the agency supported a successful uprising by the ruthless and corrupt Suharto featuring the assassination of one million. Its grisliness is captured in the movie, “The Act of Killing.”

    The 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba to overthrow Fidel Castro proved another monumental CIA blunder. … contributed to the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis which brought the world to the edge of destruction.

    The agency was implicated in the overthrow and murder of South Vietnam’s Ngo Dinh Diem and Chile’s Salvador Allende in favor of the murderous Augusto Pinochet. It was complicit in the arms-for-hostages deal with Iran.

    The CIA missed the fall of the Berlin Wall, glasnost and perestroika under Mikhail Gorbachev, the disintegration of the Soviet Empire, India’s nuclear testing in 1998, and the predictable metamorphosis of the Afghan mujahideen into the perpetrators of 9/11.

    It errantly concluded Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction …

    Predator drones miss their target 97 percent of the time … the CIA’s post-9/11 torture program yielded no useful intelligence …

    [A]bolishing the C.I.A. would make Americans safer and their liberties more secure.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    Abolish the CIA
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/abolish-cia/

    The CIA war on Trump shows us immediately that the CIA is a rogue organization within the U.S. government and a severe threat to America.

    The CIA is an internal threat to the rule of law and to the government that it supposedly serves. Senator Schumer acknowledges the CIA’s unbridled power, its subversive power, its power to undermine even a president …
    “Let me tell you: You take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you. For a practical, supposedly hard-nosed businessman, he’s being really dumb to do this.”

    Schumer is saying that the CIA is so powerful that a president should not attempt to control it or else! The CIA is so powerful that elections do not matter when it comes to the CIA. … Basic American institutions and laws must bow before the threats that the CIA possesses. …

    The CIA is an organization that perpetually undermines traditional American values and moral values. It consistently kills innocent people. It continually causes instability and wars. It undermines other societies and our own. It interferes constantly in foreign nations, to the detriment of them and us. It is an unelected power that challenges elected officials. It favors abuses of power, including torture. Its actual value at generating usable intelligence is minimal, often wrong, often misleading, inaccurate and harmful as in the WMD that were never found in Iraq.

    “The Association for Responsible Dissent estimates that by 1987, 6 million people had died as a result of CIA covert operations. Former State Department official William Blum correctly calls this an ‘American Holocaust.’ This quote and a detailed timeline of CIA atrocities is available.

    William Blum has listed CIA interventions for us. … Abolish it altogether. … whatever small amount of residual value that is present in its intelligence operations can easily be retained or transferred to other agencies. …
    Last edited by AZJoe; 01-15-2017 at 04:09 PM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    The outgoing CIA director charged on Sunday that Donald Trump lacks a full understanding of the threat Moscow poses to the United States, delivering a public lecture to the president-elect that further highlighted the bitter state of Trump's relations with American intelligence agencies.

    John Brennan's pointed message on national television came just five days before Trump becomes the nation's 45th president amid lingering questions about Russia's role in the 2016 election even as the focus shifts to the challenges of governing.

    "Now that he's going to have an opportunity to do something for our national security as opposed to talking and tweeting, he's going to have tremendous responsibility to make sure that U.S. and national security interests are protected," Brennan said on "Fox News Sunday," warning that the president-elect's impulsivity could be dangerous.

    "Spontaneity is not something that protects national security interests," Brennan declared.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-cla...-election.html

    Hopefully his spontaneity leads to him shuttering the agency.

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    Hello, they kept us safe.

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    Good discussion between Scott Horton and Jacob Hornberger:

    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.



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    I support this .
    Do something Danke

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    Last edited by AZJoe; 02-04-2017 at 01:06 AM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    I support this too.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Won't happen. POTUS loves the CIA and is behind them 1000%


    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    “Now, as nearly as I can make out, those fellows in the CIA don’t just report on wars and the like, they go out and make their own, and there’s nobody to keep track of what they’re up to. They spend billions of dollars on stirring up trouble so they’ll have something to report on. They’ve become … it’s become a government all of its own and all secret. They don’t have to account to anybody.” –U.S. PresideNT Harry S. Truman, who created the CIA
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.



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    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.



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