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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I think the speculation is that he pulled the fire alarm.
    Well he was a busy little bee, eh? Speeding around in his car, crashing, making Website posts, pulling fire alarms, hacking people with a machete, being so efficient that witnesses were reporting two suspects--all before getting shot dead within the first minute by police.
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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    Sort of like the NINETEEN 9/11 hijackers that submitted completely incomplete paperwork and fraudulent documents or do you mean like the "underwear bomber" Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab who was being escorted around by the CIA?
    Which of them was a refugee?
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  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Which of them was a refugee?
    The guy is a permanent U.S. resident--all in a timeframe of 2-years. Highly suspect, as this would indicate somebody in government was pulling the strings to get him/his family into the USA.
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  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I'm always curious about what parts people choose to quote.

    “If you want us Muslims to stop carrying lone wolf attacks, then make peace,” the post reads. “We will not let you sleep unless you give peace to the Muslims.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/osu-attack-...ry?id=43827435

    A person lashing out in anger because he sees members of his community being killed doesn't sound so crazy. In fact we praise that idea every day when we talk about "respecting the troops." This has little to do with Islam and more to do with how humans react to seeing people they identify with, whether that cultural identification come through nation, ethnicity, religion, race, etc., violently attacked again and again.

    His logic is straight-forward. "Stop killing us and we'll stop killing you." I daresay it is the basic idea behind Dr. Ron Paul's foreign policy of military non-intervention and avoiding blowback.

  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    The guy is a permanent U.S. resident--all in a timeframe of 2-years. Highly suspect, as this would indicate somebody in government was pulling the strings to get him/his family into the USA.
    One guy can't be crazy. There has to be some other crazy person behind them. Which means another crazy person behind him and another crazy person behind him and another.....
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 11-29-2016 at 03:28 PM.

  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    But how many of those are in celebration because of it?
    Doesn't sound like any of them were celebrating. http://www.businessinsider.com/ohio-...nounce-2016-11

    Muslim and Somali leaders denounce Ohio State University attack

    The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) condemned an attack at Ohio State University on Monday that injured at least 9 people and asked the public to avoid rushing to judgment about the suspect's motives.

    “Like all of our fellow Columbus citizens we are saddened and heartbroken by this senseless act of violence and we want to condemn in the strongest possible terms this and any other kind senseless violent act,” Jennifer Nimer, Legal Director for the Ohio Chapter of CAIR, said at a news conference late Monday.

    The suspect, who police identified as a Somali man named Abdul Razak Ali Artan, allegedly struck pedestrians with his vehicle when he drove onto the university's campus in Columbus, Ohio, before using a weapon to cut several people.

    Members of the Muslim and Somali community at the conference also urged the public not to jump to conclusions about the attack as investigators were still uncovering details about the suspect

    “We as yet know nothing about the motivation of the attack but we do know of his Somali heritage and that will be enough for some people to falsely link this tragic incident to the faith of Islam and the Somali and Muslim communities,” said Roula Allouch, national board chair of CAIR, said.
    http://www.cleveland.com/open/index....asnt_well.html

    Ohio State attack suspect wasn't well-known in Columbus' Somali, Muslim communities

    COLUMBUS, Ohio--Ohio State University attack suspect Abdul Artan, a Somali refugee living in Columbus, was not well-known among the city's Somali or Muslim communities, local leaders said Monday evening.

    "We don't know who he is," said Horsed Noah, who runs the Masjid Abubakar Asiddiq Islamic Center, the largest such center in Columbus. When Artan's face appeared on television, Noah said, no one in his congregation - which totals more than 2,000 people - recognized him.

    Noah was one of a number of Somali and Islamic leaders in Columbus, speaking at a press conference, who strongly condemned the campus attack, which left 11 people injured and Artan dead.

    "Any twisted mindset that would claim or justify such a sickening act of violence isn't a part of us," said Abdi Dini, a Somali-American from Columbus. 'The act of an individual shouldn't be blamed on the rest of the community."

    More than 50,000 Somali refugees live in Columbus - the second largest Somali population of any American city, after Minneapolis.

    And a number of Somali leaders said they have worked diligently to combat Islamic radicalization messages aimed at younger members of their community.

    "We have not seen so far any single case in which we would be concerned that there is something happening,"
    said Zerqa Abid, president of MY Project USA, a Columbus-based youth organization that has about 200 members -- mostly Somali refugees.

    "The youth that we are working with are very solid."

    But, Abid acknowledged, such efforts might not be able to reach everyone.
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  9. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    His logic is straight-forward. "Stop killing us and we'll stop killing you." I daresay it is the basic idea behind Dr. Ron Paul's foreign policy of military non-intervention and avoiding blowback.
    No, Ron Paul supports not going on rampages trying to kill people while shouting Allahu Ackbar.

    "Not" is such a little word, I know it can be easy to miss sometimes. Glad I could clear that up.

  10. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post

    His logic is straight-forward. "Stop killing us and we'll stop killing you." I daresay it is the basic idea behind Dr. Ron Paul's foreign policy of military non-intervention and avoiding blowback.
    I don't think the students at OSU killed anybody.

  11. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    No, Ron Paul supports not going on rampages trying to kill people while shouting Allahu Ackbar.

    "Not" is such a little word, I know it can be easy to miss sometimes. Glad I could clear that up.
    The attacker at Ohio State wasn't shouting "Allahu Ackbar". In fact, they said he was silent.

  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The attacker at Ohio State wasn't shouting "Allahu Ackbar". In fact, they said he was silent.
    Umm, are you haplessly trying to somehow contradict something I wrote?

  13. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    One guy can't be crazy. There has to be some other crazy person behind them.
    Not just one. There are squadrons of crazy people programming the sane people into becoming crazy people. But they're not the religious crazy people, they're the government crazy people.

  14. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The attacker at Ohio State wasn't shouting "Allahu Ackbar". In fact, they said he was silent.
    But he wrote some stuff on his Facebook page, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The attacker at Ohio State wasn't shouting "Allahu Ackbar". In fact, they said he was silent.
    Yes all Islamic terrists by islam law must say loudly the AA word when attacking infidels.
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  16. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I don't think the students at OSU killed anybody.
    I am pretty sure of that .
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  19. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I don't think the students at OSU killed anybody.
    The Buckeyes have 1,776 active military and veterans enrolled and a veteran graduation rate of 75 percent. They give academic credit for military training and are a part of Servicemembers Opportunity Colleges Consortium. Ohio State offers scholarships for military spouses and dependents, and waives the on-campus living requirement for veterans.
    http://www.takepart.com/photos/colle...g-our-veterans

    1776 vets out of 65,000 total students. That's about 3%.


    Let's get really generous and say that there are 100,000 Muslims in the world who have actively engaged in combat against the West / non-Muslims in support of radical Islam. I think we can all agree that's a severe rounding up.

    That would mean that your average OSU student is 480 times more likely to have fought against Muslims than your average Muslim is to have fought against the West / non-Muslims.
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  20. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    No, Ron Paul supports not going on rampages trying to kill people while shouting Allahu Ackbar.

    "Not" is such a little word, I know it can be easy to miss sometimes. Glad I could clear that up.
    Thank you. I was astounded that anyone would try to compare that person's actions to Ron Paul.

  21. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Doesn't sound like any of them were celebrating.
    What like resident Muslims are going to make their private opinions public? Sure, that is very strategic.

    According to the just-released [2015] survey of Muslims, a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.” ...

    More than half (51%) of U.S. Muslims polled also believe either that they should have the choice of American or shariah courts, or that they should have their own tribunals to apply shariah.
    ...
    Even more troubling, is the fact that nearly a quarter of the Muslims polled believed that, “It is legitimate to use violence to punish those who give offense to Islam by, for example, portraying the prophet Mohammed.”
    . . .
    That would translate into roughly 300,000 Muslims living in the United States who believe that shariah is “The Muslim God Allah’s law that Muslims must follow and impose worldwide by Jihad.”
    http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.o...shariah-jihad/

    The Islamic State claimed responsibility on Tuesday for the attack at Ohio State University, calling the student who drove his car into pedestrians and then slashed people with a butcher knife a “soldier” of the terrorist group.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/us...tate.html?_r=0
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  22. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The attacker at Ohio State wasn't shouting "Allahu Ackbar". In fact, they said he was silent.
    As was Sirhan Sirhan, as was James Holmes, as was Adam Lanza, as was Dylann Roof...
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  23. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Aren't these things always "false flags" or doped up government agents?
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    The vast majority of the ones that get heavy press coverage are.
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  24. #111
    Obama Expands War With Al Qaeda to Include Shabab in Somalia

    WASHINGTON — The escalating American military engagement in Somalia has led the Obama administration to expand the legal scope of the war against Al Qaeda, a move that will strengthen President-elect Donald J. Trump’s authority to combat thousands of Islamist fighters in the chaotic Horn of Africa nation.

    The administration has decided to deem the Shabab, the Islamist militant group in Somalia, to be part of the armed conflict that Congress authorized against the perpetrators of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, according to senior American officials. The move is intended to shore up the legal basis for an intensifying campaign of airstrikes and other counterterrorism operations, carried out largely in support of African Union and Somali government forces.
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    More: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/27/us...n-somalia.html
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  25. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    As was Sirhan Sirhan, as was James Holmes, as was Adam Lanza, as was Dylann Roof...
    Mostly white dudes and not Muslims- Sirhan was a Christian. Holmes was not Muslim but converted later. Adam Lanza attended Catholic Church. Roof was Lutheran. All whites and Christians are terrorists I guess.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 11-30-2016 at 02:02 PM.



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    Mostly mixed race, immigrants & jewish shooters disproportionately..
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