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    In the future, will farming be fully automated?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38089984




    In the not-too-distant future, our fields could be tilled, sown, tended and harvested entirely by fleets of co-operating autonomous machines by land and air.

    And they'll be working both day and night.

    Driverless tractors that can follow pre-programmed routes are already being deployed at large farms around the world.

    Drones are buzzing over fields assessing crop health and soil conditions. Ground sensors are monitoring the amount of water and nutrients in the soil, triggering irrigation and fertiliser applications.

    And in Japan, the world's first entirely automated lettuce farm is due for launch next year.

    The future of farming is automated.

    Food shortages, big business

    The World Bank says we'll need to produce 50% more food by 2050 if the global population continues to rise at its current pace.

    But the effects of climate change could see crop yields falling by more than a quarter.
    So autonomous tractors, ground-based sensors, flying drones and enclosed hydroponic farms could all help farmers produce more food, more sustainably at lower cost.

    No wonder the agricultural robotics sector is growing so fast.




    One report, by US firm WinterGreen Research, forecasts that the market will grow from $817m (£655m) in 2013 to $16.3bn (£13bn) by 2020.

    But investment bank Goldman Sachs is far more bullish, predicting a $240bn market over the next five years. Manufacturers including John Deere, CNH

    Industrial and AGCO are all fighting to corner the market in driverless tractors.

    As well as big kit, small kit is giving farmers up-to-the-second data on the state of their fields and produce - what Dr Roland Leidenfrost of Deepfield Robotics calls the "internet of plants and fields".

    Bosch start-up Deepfield, based in Germany, is working to automate the growing and testing of seed crops, tracking the susceptibility to weeds and drought of different genetic varieties.

    Meanwhile, engineers in Shropshire, England, are trying to show it is now possible to farm a field without a human setting foot in it at all.

    The Hands Free Hectare project will use flying drones and automated tractors in the coming year to grow and harvest a cereal crop

    Engineers from Harper Adams University - together with a North Yorkshire farming technology company called Precision Decisions - are testing prototype machines now, and aim to plant their crop in March for harvest in September.

    Precision pruning

    It's hard to imagine the most traditional of agricultural sectors - wine making - as needing more than natural sunshine and soil. But even here automation is encroaching.

    Wine makers have used drones to inspect their vineyards for several years, with high-definition cameras and sensors assessing crop and soil health.

    But in France's Burgundy region, a shortage of farm labour has led inventor Christophe Millot to develop a vine-pruning robot called Wall-Ye.

    The latest generation of this trundling four-wheeled robot can make a cut every five seconds. It has six cameras - some with infrared sensors - and two arms, and is controlled by a tablet computer inside.

    The machine learns as it goes and can trim the grass around each vine. An onboard solar-powered battery gives 10-12 hours of charge, so with a change of battery, it can work day and night.

    Visual recognition is the biggest challenge, says Mr Millot - knowing where to make the cut. This is actually easier at night, because the robot's lights can illuminate the plant, but not its background.

    Next year, he plans to go to California - another major wine-producing area - to market his range of winery robots there.

    Robo lettuce

    But some people think farming land is old hat.

    Japanese firm Spread's automated vegetable factory in Kyoto, due to launch next year, could produce 30,000 lettuces a day, the company says.

    It stretches up, instead of across undulating fields, because "in countries like Japan, where land is actually a very scarce resource, it makes more sense to stack your production, just like a skyscraper," says JJ Price, Spread's global marketing manager.

    Everything after seeding will be done by machines - watering, trimming, harvesting - on shelves stacked from floor to ceiling. It's a bit like the solitary drone farmers in the 1972 film Silent Running.

    Automation has reduced labour costs by 50%, says Mr Price. And LED lighting developed specifically for plant cultivation reduces energy costs by 30%.
    "It doesn't matter what the weather or climate is outside," he says.

    And growing vegetables in vertical farms means you can recycle 98% of the water, says Mr Price, and produce food much closer to where people consume it, cutting down on transport costs and emissions.

    Drone monitors

    Back outside, drones are monitoring crop growth rates, spotting disease, and even spraying crops with pesticides and herbicides.

    Now researchers are also trying to make them co-operate and work in swarms.

    If they are mapping weeds in a field, say, "the drones will recruit each other to converge on those areas where the weed presence is higher," says Dr Vito Trianni of the Institute of Cognitive Sciences and Technologies in Rome.

    Although GPS signals are generally strong in agricultural areas, one challenge for drones and other farmland robots is coping with patchy internet and mobile connectivity.

    So Dr Trianni's team is using ultra-wideband radio for his drones to communicate without relying on rural 3G or 4G mobile connections.

    Of course, automation might promise more efficient food production, but it also threatens agricultural jobs.

    From 1950 to 2010, according to the International Labour Organization (ILO), agricultural labourers as a percentage of the workforce declined from 81% to 48.2% in developing countries, and from 35% to 4.2% in developed ones.

    Robots will surely accelerate this decline.



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    Farmers get richer, food gets cheaper, yay!

    There is still enough basic labor to go around.

    Every time the left says something is a job "Americans won't do," do it with a robot until they squawk about "taking jobs from Americans" and then ride them on the flop-flop.

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    This model is ruining the soil fertility and creates a dependence on synthetic fertilizers and pesticides.

    Google "tilth" and "soil food web".
    Last edited by The Northbreather; 11-25-2016 at 03:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Northbreather View Post
    This model is ruining the soil fertility creates a dependence on synthetic fertilizers and pesticides.

    Google "tilth" and "soil food web".
    We need to end our dependence on food. Is anybody working on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    We need to end our dependence on food. Is anybody working on that?
    How would that be possible?

    Have you done any research, personal or professional, into soil fertility?

    It is possible to grow a plant in a sterile environment with synthetic fertilizers however it ( in a much simplified explanation) drives away the soil microbes that the plant is luring in to the rizosphere. These microbes, bacteria, fungi, and animals immobilize elements that in turn feed the plant as they cannibalize each other.

    The byproduct of this action is top soil accumulation (more soil), thus more soil for growing food. Since most our food is grown from top soil, creation of more is a good thing .

    Deep tilling and over use of synthetic (especially phosphorus) drives the microbes away.
    Last edited by The Northbreather; 11-25-2016 at 09:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Northbreather View Post
    How would that be possible?

    Have you done any research, personal or professional, into soil fertility?

    It is possible to grow a plant in a sterile environment with synthetic fertilizers however it ( in a much simplified explanation) drives away the soil microbes that the plant is luring in to the rizosphere. These microbes, bacteria, fungi, and animals immobilize elements that in turn feed the plant as they cannibalize each other.

    The byproduct of this action is top soil accumulation (more soil), thus more soil for growing food. Since most of of food comes is grown from top soil, creation of more is a good thing .

    Deep tilling and over use of synthetic (especially phosphorus) drives the microbes away.
    You assume we need to digest food, just like worms, for our energy needs. There should be a better way. Why can't we be charged like our mobile devices?

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    Last edited by The Northbreather; 11-25-2016 at 02:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    You assume we need to digest food, just like worms, for our energy needs. There should be a better way. Why can't we be charged like our mobile devices?
    I get this is a troll but interestingly there are animals that harvest the sun's energy symbiotically by encapsulating algae (a plant).

    Maybe you should try something similar.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Northbreather View Post
    I get this is a troll but interestingly there are animals that harvest the sun's energy symbiotically by encapsulating algae (a plant).

    Maybe you should try something similar.
    Unlike animals we have harnessed electricity. It should be possible to work something out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Unlike animals we have harnessed electricity. It should be possible to work something out.
    There are animals that have harnessed electrical energy.

    They still eat food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Northbreather View Post
    There are animals that have harnessed electrical energy.
    Not really.

    They still eat food.
    This just proves my point.

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    Mmmm ok.

    Really.

    (Now you reply "not really" again)

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Northbreather View Post
    Mmmm ok.

    Really.

    (Now you reply "not really" again)
    I think the disconnect is on the meaning of the word "harness".

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Northbreather View Post
    This model is ruining the soil fertility and creates a dependence on synthetic fertilizers and pesticides.

    Google "tilth" and "soil food web".
    That's just a matter of programming, no? You can fallow and rotate just fine with robots. A robot is only as dumb as it's programming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Northbreather View Post
    How would that be possible?

    Have you done any research, personal or professional, into soil fertility?

    It is possible to grow a plant in a sterile environment with synthetic fertilizers however it ( in a much simplified explanation) drives away the soil microbes that the plant is luring in to the rizosphere. These microbes, bacteria, fungi, and animals immobilize elements that in turn feed the plant as they cannibalize each other.

    The byproduct of this action is top soil accumulation (more soil), thus more soil for growing food. Since most of of food comes is grown from top soil, creation of more is a good thing .

    Deep tilling and over use of synthetic (especially phosphorus) drives the microbes away.
    So why could you not have robots that use natural fertilizer and explicitly replace and nourish the soil microbes; they roll in and till this in to the soil prior to the fallow year on rotation. Soil sits happy at rest with natural fertilizer and growing microbe colonies for a full year, then three years of a low phosphorous crop, two years of a higher phosphorus crop, and repeat with natural fertilizer and microbes and fallow it out with some worthless grasses that suck up all the phosphorous and repeat cycle.

    Seems to me so long as you programmed this right, it would be easier to find that balance using automation than it would manually.

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    That type of farming would probably work in Ks.and Ok. but it would fail miserably in the Ozarks.

    Terrain is really important when there's not human input to machinery.



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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Unlike animals we have harnessed electricity. It should be possible to work something out.
    Conservation of mass, you cannot fabricate matter out of nothingness, nor is mankind capable of converting energy into mass. If cells die and are reborn, growth occurs, wounds and broken bones heal, the matter from which those cells are manufactured MUST come from somewhere. At 100% efficiency you would need to eat your body weight every 7 years just to keep up with sloughing. Even if you manage to use enough nanotech to prevent sloughing and reabsorb that matter for conversion, you have to factor in growth and healing wounds, and the materials to make new nanobots.

    Conservation of energy, energy is never lost it is only transformed. You could theoretically replace the raw energy source, but even in that case the most efficient granular level delivery system would be some kind of complex glucosine delivering molecules of chemically available energy directly to the cells. However the consumption of said specialised food still amounts to ... eating. It may be possible one day via nanotechnology to mechanically augment cellular mitochondria and bleed energy directly into the cellular processes,

    No matter what, by the laws of Physics, the human cannot survive indefinitely consuming nothing whatsoever. Even if you take over every energy process nanomechanically and recycle every molecule you still have wounds, lost cells, lost blood, evaporation from skin, sublimation of salts and subsequent washing. Whether it is anything that can be described as "food" may be up for debate, but NO MATTER HOW FAR you go down this road, the human will still have to consume SOMETHING for simple maintenance if nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    Conservation of mass, you cannot fabricate matter out of nothingness, nor is mankind capable of converting energy into mass. If cells die and are reborn, growth occurs, wounds and broken bones heal, the matter from which those cells are manufactured MUST come from somewhere. At 100% efficiency you would need to eat your body weight every 7 years just to keep up with sloughing. Even if you manage to use enough nanotech to prevent sloughing and reabsorb that matter for conversion, you have to factor in growth and healing wounds, and the materials to make new nanobots.

    Conservation of energy, energy is never lost it is only transformed. You could theoretically replace the raw energy source, but even in that case the most efficient granular level delivery system would be some kind of complex glucosine delivering molecules of chemically available energy directly to the cells. However the consumption of said specialised food still amounts to ... eating. It may be possible one day via nanotechnology to mechanically augment cellular mitochondria and bleed energy directly into the cellular processes,

    No matter what, by the laws of Physics, the human cannot survive indefinitely consuming nothing whatsoever. Even if you take over every energy process nanomechanically and recycle every molecule you still have wounds, lost cells, lost blood, evaporation from skin, sublimation of salts and subsequent washing. Whether it is anything that can be described as "food" may be up for debate, but NO MATTER HOW FAR you go down this road, the human will still have to consume SOMETHING for simple maintenance if nothing else.
    Not having to eat on weekdays would still be a tremendous progress. You could rejuvenate your body on weekends in the comfort of your home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Not having to eat on weekdays would still be a tremendous progress. You could rejuvenate your body on weekends in the comfort of your home.
    Speed is the only way to accomplish that today but the cost to mind and body is quite high.

    If something of this magnitude were possible government would be exploiting it as we speak on soldiers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Speed is the only way to accomplish that today but the cost to mind and body is quite high.

    If something of this magnitude were possible government would be exploiting it as we speak on soldiers.
    German marching powder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    We need to end our dependence on food. Is anybody working on that?
    Soylent has a few products including a few shakes a day for all your daily needs, with many nutrients derived from seaweed.
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    Nope. The same way the automated bread factory has not completely replaced local bakeries. If you want uniform product at the lowest input costs then increasing automation is the way to go. An anhydrous ethanol dilution in a saline drip through an IV is the most cost effective way to get drunk, yet people still drink beer and wine. (Don't even get started on "craft brewing")

    Automation in agriculture will lead plant developers to produce individual cultivars that are optimized for mechanical rigors and sensor limitations. Skins will be thickened and color change at ripening selected for uniformity. While automated apple orchards will strive for the perfect consumer apple,


    there will be those who will sell you thin skinned, heirloom apples that have a short storage half-life for premium prices.


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