Richard Spencer Goes Off the Rails and Into the Chasm Below

[nobody's_hero]

You don't really see anti-racist anything, except for SJWs. Nobody really cares about racism anymore because we're all sick of hearing about it.

CORRECT!!

[PatriotOne]

Rules for Radicals - Saul Alinsky

Opening page - Dedication

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history... the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

[Tywysog Cymru]

You don't really see anti-racist anything, except for SJWs. Nobody really cares about racism anymore because we're all sick of hearing about it.

replace anti-racist with non-racist then.

Depends what your definition of racism and the alt-right is. Milo Yiannopoulos for example is a openly gay Jew that is considered alt-right. I do not view that faction as racist although it may very well end up solely of a movement of racists. It will depend on what the media does with it and you know the media they would love to have it permanently labeled a racist group.

Milo doesn't consider himself to be part of the alt-right.

I am anti-Cultural Marxism in all it's forms. My sole focus is to destroy Cultural Marxism and let the chips fall where they may. Let the people decide with the curtains pulled back.

What does that have to do with what I said?

[misterx]

replace anti-racist with non-racist then.

Then your statement is no longer true. Milo is a self-labeled member of the alt-right, and is non-racist. He is the poster boy of the alt-right, and there are many others like him.

[kahless]

Milo doesn't consider himself to be part of the alt-right.

No? You type in his name in any search engine and most of the titles and descriptions come back identifying him as alt-right. Of course it would be of no surprise the media misrepresenting if not true.

[Tywysog Cymru]

Then your statement is no longer true. Milo is a self-labeled member of the alt-right, and is non-racist. He is the poster boy of the alt-right, and there are many others like him.

He calls himself a fellow traveler of the alt-right.

[Tywysog Cymru]

No? You type in his name in any search engine and most of the titles and descriptions come back identifying him as alt-right. Of course it would be of no surprise the media misrepresenting if not true.

Maybe this changed recently, but I remember him saying that he was just a fellow traveler. Bannon is probably the same.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Spencer's alright, but he has some wacky ideas. He was anti-Brexit. He thinks that there should be a pan-European empire and that the EU should be taken over by white nationalists.

[kahless]

Maybe this changed recently, but I remember him saying that he was just a fellow traveler. Bannon is probably the same.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...t-nationalist/

Bannon: “Our definition of the alt-right is younger people who are anti-globalists, very nationalist, terribly anti-establishment.”

But he says Breitbart is also a platform for “libertarians,” Zionists, “the conservative gay community,” “proponents of restrictions on gay marriage,” “economic nationalism” and “populism” and “the anti-establishment.” In other words, the site hosts many views. “We provide an outlet for 10 or 12 or 15 lines of thought—we set it up that way” and the alt-right is “a tiny part of that.” Yes, he concedes, the alt-right has “some racial and anti-Semitic overtones.” He makes clear he has zero tolerance for such views.

I can get on-board with some of that but I am out anywhere near the Nazi, Hitler, anti-semite stuff.

[Tywysog Cymru]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...t-nationalist/


I can get on-board with some of that but I am out anywhere near the Nazi, Hitler, anti-semite stuff.

Breitbart is a fellow traveler site. I've heard alt-rightists say that it's okay for public figures to not be white nationalists because they have reputations to defend or whatever.

[pcosmar]

"fellow traveler"
but where are they going?

[Murray N Rothbard]

He's certainly not focused on Liberty, that's for sure. $#@! this scumbag. $#@! Trump too.

"It can't happen here" ?

Already is...

[AuH20]

[freejack]

Media wants to put a face on the alt-right and found the perfect poster boy. They will elevate him so all will know who he is.

[AuH20]

Richard Spencer performed admirably in this debate with Roland Martin. I am surprised at his demeanor and aptitude in a hostile setting. Martin did OK as well, but he relies on some straw-man arguments.

https://www.facebook.com/rolandsmart...4189796407831/

Roland Martin, who I respect, really lost it when Spencer refuted the Egyptian Myth. Though, he was incorrect grouping Egyptians as 'white.'



All in all, we need more extended dialogue like this.

[eleganz]

Why is it surprising that racists and anti-Semites latched on to the alt-right? It's no less surprising than when libertarians latched on to the liberty movement or when socialists latched on Bernie Sanders.

Or social conservatives with the GOP.

[undergroundrr]

You don't really see anti-racist anything, except for SJWs. Nobody really cares about racism anymore because we're all sick of hearing about it.

I hate racism and all the other forms of collectivism. On RPF the alt-righters have distinguished themselves on many occasions by actually asking "What's wrong with collectivism anyhow?" That's a big ideological divide. If progressivist SJW's took ownership of combating racism, it's not a mark against them, but against libertarians that we weren't loud and assertive enough about it first. Racism is stupid communist nonsense.

[Danke]

[AuH20]

Red Ice is a great outlet. Good info on that site that spans all topics.

[Danke]

[NewRightLibertarian]

Maybe now the alt rightists will gravitate toward flamboyant, provocative, talented media personalities like Gavin, Milo and PJW rather than lowlife liabilities like Jared Taylor and Richard Spencer after this ridiculous stunt.

[eleganz]

Goddamn they're stupid. Doing the heil hitler salute as a joke when you know the media is going to twist it to their narrative and the entire nation will think you're nazis. Somebody get them a f'ing PR consultant.

[kahless]

Man who did Nazi salute with Tila Tequila outside Richard Spencer’s alt-right conference is Jewish, and it’s causing problems..
http://www.salon.com/2016/11/23/man-...sing-problems/

“As a half-jew posing with an Asian I figured it would be viewed for what it was, a joke,” the essay says. “Personally I do not have any problems with this gesture, as I think it is an inspirational expression of loyalty to, and pride in, our heritage.”

The anonymous blogger continued: “Despite being the product of the selfish act of miscegenation myself, I identify as European. The preservation of our race, our culture, and our way of life is more dear to me than any other part of my life. I lived first-hand through the violence caused by diversity. . . . None of the personal fallout since [the National Policy Institute event] has bothered me on any deep level, even my own Jewish father seeing my face on MSNBC giving the Roman salute caused me little concern. It was not until [vlogger Paul Ramsey who’s nicknamed] Ramzpaul called me a false-flagger that I was truly vexed.”

[misterx]

I hate racism and all the other forms of collectivism. On RPF the alt-righters have distinguished themselves on many occasions by actually asking "What's wrong with collectivism anyhow?" That's a big ideological divide. If progressivist SJW's took ownership of combating racism, it's not a mark against them, but against libertarians that we weren't loud and assertive enough about it first. Racism is stupid communist nonsense.

So individuals should be forbidden from being racist? Who exactly defines racism?

[undergroundrr]

So individuals should be forbidden from being racist?

No.

Who exactly defines racism?

Ron Paul.

"Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans only as members of groups and never as individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike; as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups." - Ron Paul

[Sola_Fide]

None of this has anything to do with liberty. It's the antithesis of liberty. Why even talk about it?

[misterx]

No.



Ron Paul.

"Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans only as members of groups and never as individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike; as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups." - Ron Paul

Ok. If that's the definition of racist, I don't think anyone in the world is racist. Nobody believes that people of the same race are all alike, just generally more similar than people of different races.