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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Bannon may be the only prominent figure with the tenacity and vision to dispose of the corporatist progressive alliance that has dominated America for far too long. He has no qualms about blowing it up before America as we knew it, finally sinks under the waves.
    Bannon's doing that - blowing up corporatist elite - by rallying the Teamsters? Reagan's handlers did rally the Teamsters, but Senator AuH2O wanted to scatter Big Labor.
    If freedom isn't free, it isn't liberty - its license.

    "And maybe my life spent in a New Jersey-New York/Bay Area-L.A. pro-Semitic cocoon has left me naive. But I don't care if Americans think we're running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them."
    - Joel Stein, LA TIMES



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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Bannon's doing that - blowing up corporatist elite - by rallying the Teamsters? Reagan's handlers did rally the Teamsters, but Senator AuH2O wanted to scatter Big Labor.
    Bannon is attempting to disrupt and scuttle the lobbyist domination of U.S. Senate. The democrats cannot be adequately combated until the GOP is purified and retooled (if that's even possible). Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell and the various leadership underlings don't want to roll back gains made by the corporatist progressive machine. The current incarnation of the GOP has no concerns about the dissolution of the middle class nor the engineered ethnic replacement that is underway.
    Last edited by AuH20; 09-29-2017 at 06:22 PM.
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    About this..

    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post
    1. The National Bank - Look for Trump to Nationalize or Pseudo-Nationalize the Fed. He might (1% chance) arrest the bankers but look for the printing press to continue.
    In the last few years, I've been seeing a lot more of this stuff in allegedly conservative circles.

    The radical left here and in Europe have been calling for central banks to be "nationalized" (a misleading term, as these are already government agencies) for years. They want to put the central banks under the direct supervision of national legislatures. They say this is about "taking power from the capitalists and giving it back to the people." Of course, it's really about putting the printing press in the hands of persons more inclined to use it to finance additional welfare spending.

    Now we're seeing the same thing in the "alt right," in both the US and Europe, except the slogan is "take the power from the globalists and give it back to the [insert national adjective] people." The National Front, for instance, wants to resurrect the French central bank to "fight the globalists in Brussels": i.e. print a whole lot more money than the Germans are inclined to let the ECB print to buy French bonds.

    Every day I think things look more like the 1930s..

    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    He just did.
    A good start
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.

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    MAGA is just corporatism in the tradition of Reagan's Contract with America. Outrage on the part of True Believers isn't reversing the progs' gains but a ratcheting down. Bannon's controlled opposition, although I'm sure he believes he's some kind of underdog.
    If freedom isn't free, it isn't liberty - its license.

    "And maybe my life spent in a New Jersey-New York/Bay Area-L.A. pro-Semitic cocoon has left me naive. But I don't care if Americans think we're running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them."
    - Joel Stein, LA TIMES

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    What is it with the delusions that:

    A) Nationalists are opposed to globalism? Nation-states are the foundation of the Global-state.

    and

    B) That nationalism, even if opposed to globalism (lets assume) is actually any better.


    Indeed, if history is any indicator nationalism will more quickly secure absolute tyrannical power over a people more quickly and more easily than globalists. Even the truly globalist causes, such as Communism and Socialism, must always devolve into nationalism in order to survive (think of Stalin turning from Lenin's internationalist Communist revolution to "Communism in one country" or Mao's Chinese Cultural Revolution or really any other Communist country). This whole "nationalism is better than globalism" trend is just as deceptive and fallacious as the "Left v. Right" divide in politics.
    “Maybe I forgot to mention something to you: I don’t believe in queens. You think freedom is something you can give and take on a whim. But to your people, freedom is as essential as air. And without it, there is no life. There is only darkness.” -Zaheer

    "A man chooses. A slave obeys."-Andrew Ryan

    "There are three things the parasite hates: free markets, free will, and free men."-Andrew Ryan

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post

    They want to put the central banks under the direct supervision of national legislatures. They say this is about "taking power from the capitalists and giving it back to the people." Of course, it's really about putting the printing press in the hands of persons more inclined to use it to finance additional welfare spending.
    You realize what you just described is a perfect summary of Audit the Fed, right? Your last sentence is one explanation as to why Audit the Fed is bad idea. There are other reasons why like inflation will almost certainly be higher the more oversight Congress has over monetary policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    You realize what you just described is a perfect summary of Audit the Fed, right? Your last sentence is one explanation as to why Audit the Fed is bad idea. There are other reasons why like inflation will almost certainly be higher the more oversight Congress has over monetary policy.
    The goal of Audit The Fed, for Ron and other libertarians, has always been to bolster the case for abolition, not "nationalization." There's a risk that leftists who want "nationalization" could hijack an audit for that purpose, but it's a risk worth taking IMO.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    The goal of Audit The Fed, for Ron and other libertarians, has always been to bolster the case for abolition, not "nationalization." There's a risk that leftists who want "nationalization" could hijack an audit for that purpose, but it's a risk worth taking IMO.
    I get that is the goal. And certainly a good goal. But the empirical results are the more independent central banks are of the legislature the lower the inflation rate in that country. It makes sense that politicians would push for higher inflation.

    http://www.econ.ucdenver.edu/smith/e...erformance.pdf

    "THE DEGREE OF CENTRAL BANK INDEPENDENCE varies considerably across countries. Several authors including Bade and Parkin (1982), Alesina(1988, 1989), and Grilli, Masciandaro, and Tabellini (1991) found that more independent central banks are associated with lower levels of inflation."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    I get that is the goal. And certainly a good goal. But the empirical results are the more independent central banks are of the legislature the lower the inflation rate in that country. It makes sense that politicians would push for higher inflation.

    http://www.econ.ucdenver.edu/smith/e...erformance.pdf

    "THE DEGREE OF CENTRAL BANK INDEPENDENCE varies considerably across countries. Several authors including Bade and Parkin (1982), Alesina(1988, 1989), and Grilli, Masciandaro, and Tabellini (1991) found that more independent central banks are associated with lower levels of inflation."
    I'm not denying that.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.

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    Bannon is a disciple of Rene Guenon more than any type of Hamiltonian.

    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post


    I stand by my assertion in November. The Hamiltonian Nationalists are retaking the Republican Party. Even as a Jeffersonian Individualist, I believe this to be a positive step in the right direction. What say you?

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    ...he did that which I was too cowardly afraid to do
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    Just for the record, 99% of the time I say "In my country........" I am actually messing with you people because I know you guys have absolutely no idea what happens in my country.

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    Whats with all this Hamiltonian , Jeffersonian garbage ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Whats with all this Hamiltonian , Jeffersonian garbage ?
    Hamilton was a Big Central Gov/Banking elite.

    The Constitution was actually a Hamiltonian coup to establish exactly that- and it has worked beautifully.
    There is no spoon.

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    Bannon's first priority is to unseat the permanent political class in Washington. Nothing else (of significant consequence) can be achieved until that goal is accomplished.
    1. Don't lie.
    2. Don't cheat.
    3. Don't steal.
    4. Don't kill.
    5. Don't commit adultery.
    6. Don't covet what your neighbor has, especially his wife.
    7. Honor your father and mother.
    8. Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.
    9. Don’t use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
    10. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

    "For the love of money is the root of all evil..." -- I Timothy 6:10, KJV

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