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    Trump Picks Marijuana Opponent Jeff Sessions for Attorney General

    Trump Picks Marijuana Opponent for Attorney General

    BY TOM ANGELL
    NOVEMBER 18TH, 2016




    President-elect Donald Trump has offered the top spot in the Justice Department to U.S. Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama, an ardent opponent of marijuana law reform, several news organizations are reporting.

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    In a Senate hearing on the federal response to state marijuana laws in April, Sessions said, “good people don’t smoke marijuana,” and implied that even discussion of legalization could create a gateway effect to increased use of other drugs.

    “We need grown ups in Washington to say marijuana is not the kind of thing that ought to be legalized, it ought not to be minimized, that it is in fact a very real danger,” he said. “You’ll see cocaine and heroin increase more than it would have, I think, had we not talked about it.”

    Sessions, a former U.S. attorney, also criticized President Obama for his administration’s approach to the issue. “His lax treatment and comments on marijuana, it’s been obvious, it reverses 20 years almost of hostility to drugs, begun really, when Nancy Reagan started the ‘Just Say No’ program,” the senator said.

    While Sessions was under consideration for a federal judgeship in 1986, a former deputy accused him of saying that the Ku Klux Klan “were OK until I found out they smoked pot.” Sessions later said the remark was an out-of-context joke, but it and other racially charged comments soon led to his nomination’s rejection by the Senate Judiciary Committee, a body on which he now sits as a member and which will consider his confirmation as the nation’s top law enforcement officer.

    During last year’s confirmation hearing for Loretta Lynch, the current attorney general, Sessions questioned her about marijuana policy, forcefully pressing for more federal action on the issue in light of the relative leeway the Obama administration has given to states to implement their own laws.

    “I hope that you will cease to be silent, because if the law enforcement officers don’t do this, I don’t know who will. And in the past, attorneys general and other government officials have spoken out and I think kept bad decisions from being made,” he said.

    In a Senate floor speech earlier this year, Sessions slammed President Obama for admitting to previous drug use and downplaying its effects.

    “You have to have leadership from Washington. You can’t have the President of the United States of America talking about marijuana like it is no different than taking a drink, saying I used marijuana when I was in high school and it is no different than smoking,” he said. “It is different. And you are sending a message to young people that there is no danger in this process. It is false that marijuana use doesn’t lead people to more drug use. It is already causing a disturbance in the States that have made it legal. I think we need to be careful about this.”

    In a 2014 hearing, Sessions laid into FBI Director James Comey for implying he was thinking of loosening the bureau’s hiring restrictions on people who have used marijuana. “Do you understand that that could be interpreted as one more example of leadership in America dismissing the seriousness of marijuana use and that could undermine our ability to convince young people not to go down that dangerous path?” he asked.

    In a separate hearing with then-Attorney General Eric Holder, Sessions used an anecdote about singer Lady Gaga to argue that President Obama has understated cannabis’s harms. “Lady Gaga said she is addicted to it and it is not harmless,” he said. “I hope that you will talk with the president, you’re close with him, and begin to push back, or pull back, on this position that I think is going to be adverse to the health of America.”

    In another Senate floor speech, Sessions decried the rise of state marijuana legalization and harkened back to Reagan administration. “Now we have states legalizing it, and they are already talking about recriminalizing it. It is a mistake. We have seen that experiment before. Lives are at stake,” he said. “The federal government led the way with tough sentencing, eliminating parole, targeting dangerous drugs in effective ways, and states and local governments followed.”

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    Last edited by jct74; 11-19-2016 at 03:29 AM.



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    Everyone he has picked so far is opposed to cannabis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scm View Post
    Everyone he has picked so far is opposed to cannabis.
    Can you cite where Steve Bannon is opposed?

    Trump himself has said he is ok with medical marijuana and states legalizing. Do you think he will allow his cabinet to run amok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Can you cite where Steve Bannon is opposed?

    Trump himself has said he is ok with medical marijuana and states legalizing. Do you think he will allow his cabinet to run amok?
    Ok. I can't find anything that says he is opposed OR in favor of. How about you? anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scm View Post
    Ok. I can't find anything that says he is opposed OR in favor of. How about you? anything?
    I just did a google search. You obviously didn't even try to find anything.

    And I saw him during a rally Q&A say marijuana should be left to the states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump himself has said he is ok with medical marijuana and states legalizing. Do you think he will allow his cabinet to run amok?
    Do you believe that Trump has any sort of guiding philosophy which he bases his stances on? I would say his actions have demonstrated in a very clear way that this is not the case and that his stances are very fluid, based on however he randomly feels on a given day.

    Trump policy, more than ever, is going to be run by who he puts in charge of things.

    Not looking good so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    I just did a google search. You obviously didn't even try to find anything.

    And I saw him during a rally Q&A say marijuana should be left to the states.
    https://www.google.com/search?biw=10...k1.IAoCWeS1Vf4

    so where is your so called source?

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    KD has the vid:

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=231651



    Trump supports medical marijuana and will probably act, which he can do through his appointments to the FDA and DEA, to reschedule it. This means (at least) taking it off Schedule 1 and that will immediately open up research avenues for further medical uses. There is simply no question that in terms of balance of harms and benefits when it comes to weed it's safer than aspirin, we have more knowledge of its safety in terms of "time in use" than we do for aspirin, and and it is known effective for a material number of conditions whether we're talking about childhood epilepsy, glaucoma, as symptomatic relief for pain associated with cancer or other conditions and as a appetite stimulant to counter side effects of other conditions and medications that can be extremely debilitating (e.g. cancer patients taking chemo.)

    But it gets better when it comes to President Trump.

    His 10th Amendment position on recreational use is likewise well-informed and augurs not for "crushing" states that choose to legalize weed but rather for potentially removing it from the Federal Drug Schedules entirely, not just down-scheduling it, leaving it to states that wish to leave possession and use in their criminal code. That's the "50 state political laboratory" approach and it's about damn time a President took that view toward anything -- and this is the first time, I remind you, in my memory that I've heard a President actually say that. This means that should you live in a state that refuses to legalize weed simply move to one that sees it the other way, a right you have and will continue to enjoy under President Trump. Your choices (as of now) for recreational marijuana use include Alaska, Colorado, Oregon, Washington, the District of Columbia (not a state but close enough), California, Massachusetts and Nevada. All set the age at 21, as with alcohol. All of these states at present prohibit public consumption of weed, but since the most-common means of use that is detectable by others is smoking it that's not unexpected (smoking in most public places is prohibited as well.)

    Come in off the ledge, marijuana advocates. You not only don't need to jump you are about to have a President who supports your position to a far greater degree than either Obama or Hillary, and he is taking office in January.

    We'll see if President Trump's acts jive with Candidate Trump's words, but what you heard on the campaign trail was a promise to do more for personal liberty and the use of cannabis, whether medically or otherwise, than any previous President in the modern era.
    I hope so.
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    The simple fact that Sessions was an USDA spells bad news.

    I'd rather see a corporate or patent attorney in that slot but nobody asked me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    The simple fact that Sessions was an USDA spells bad news.

    I'd rather see a corporate or patent attorney in that slot but nobody asked me...
    I would have asked you. But I was not invited to be on the transition team.
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    Weed is one of the few things the states can run rough shod over the feds with . Some people are always going to be opposed , but the majority do not care and understand there are bigger problems .
    Do something Danke

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    Trump is very pro-medical cannabis, and is all for allowing states to legalize. I doubt he will let his AG run amok over this issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump is very pro-medical cannabis
    muh prescriptions! muh law and order!

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump is very pro-medical cannabis, and is all for allowing states to legalize. I doubt he will let his AG run amok over this issue.
    Thanks for being the voice of reason. No need to be concerned about Sessions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump is very pro-medical cannabis, and is all for allowing states to legalize. I doubt he will let his AG run amok over this issue.
    Then why choose an AG with the record Sessions has? No wait, don't tell me. It is 4d chess and I, a simple man, can't possibly understand it.

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    Legal. Hmmmm. Since when do hardcore advocates of personal liberty need permission from government to grow and use something? Asking government to legalize something is the saying you need permission. Live like free people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Legal. Hmmmm. Since when do hardcore advocates of personal liberty need permission from government to grow and use something? Asking government to legalize something is the saying you need permission. Live like free people.
    Hardcore advocates of personal liberty don't need permission from government. But, they live knowing the boot of government may drop on their throats when and where it chooses regardless of their beliefs.. It's a simple fact of life. I'd rather it not be. But, perhaps, that is just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Then why choose an AG with the record Sessions has? No wait, don't tell me. It is 4d chess and I, a simple man, can't possibly understand it.
    Incorrect, it's the dove in the wrong hand or something like that. Chess is so October.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    Here's the full video of his remarks at senate hearing where he made OP quote (I just uploaded it to my youtube account). This guy is an insane anti-cannabis zealot who must be opposed.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsDyc38MstQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    Thanks for being the voice of reason. No need to be concerned about Sessions.
    Oh, I am *concerned* no doubt.. I am a patient and I like growing my own. I'd even like to get into the industry here now that it has been legalized.

    But I'm going to assume that Trump picked him for other reasons, like gun control, and maybe some other issues, and that he will have to reign him in a bit and tell him not to go after states that have legalized cannabis.

    We will have to wait and see. I'm not going to assume that Sessions is going to run amok and go totally against what Trump said during his campaign. It's not out of the question, either, but we will see.

    If I had the power I would oppose his nomination just for being a douche, but I'm not going to freak out like my hair is on fire.
    Last edited by dannno; 11-18-2016 at 04:49 PM.
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump is very pro-medical cannabis, and is all for allowing states to legalize. I doubt he will let his AG run amok over this issue.
    Winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    Here's the full video of his remarks at senate hearing where he made OP quote (I just uploaded it to my youtube account). This guy is an insane anti-cannabis zealot who must be opposed.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsDyc38MstQ
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump is very pro-medical cannabis, and is all for allowing states to legalize. I doubt he will let his AG run amok over this issue.

    From jct's video @ 4:50

    We need grown ups in charge in Washington to say marijuana is not the kind of thing that ought to be legalized, it ought not to be *stuttering?* minimized, that it's in fact a very real danger
    He managed to squeeze a lot of boogity in 9:38.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphim View Post
    Winner.

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    Uhhh sorry. All the links in the OP go to MSM sources. If it's from the MSM, it's not true.

    I know because that's what people here tell me.

    Given what the MSM has said, Sessions actually love weed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Bi-winning! Even better!
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    Well, FWIW, I'm infinitely more concerned about domestic surveillance and its foreign policy ramifications. In these areas, Flynn and Sessions are both discouraging. But that's for another thread.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by fcreature View Post
    Uhhh sorry. All the links in the OP go to MSM sources. If it's from the MSM, it's not true.

    I know because that's what people here tell me.

    Given what the MSM has said, Sessions actually love weed.
    I bet he smokes it every day and runs a pot farm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    I bet he smokes it every day and runs a pot farm.
    Most likely. GJ ain't got $#@! on Sessions' love for pot.

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