Rand will not vote for Bolton or Giuliani

[EBounding]

WTF Rand? Don't you know that Trump is playing chess, not checkers? And not just chess: 4-D chess! He's making great alpha-male moves you can't understand!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...tary-of-state/

Paul is one of the very few Republicans in a position to influence this. As a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, he will get to vote on whether to recommend Trump’s nominee for secretary of state. The results of the 2016 elections will give Republicans a 10-9 majority on the committee, meaning that Paul could cast a decisive vote, with every Democrat, against recommending a Trump nominee. That would not stop a full Senate vote on the nominee, but it would expose fissures in the Republican Party in the first weeks of a Trump administration.

[phill4paul]

Good.

[A. Havnes]

Good for him! No Guiliani or Bolton!

[Origanalist]

What a cuck.

[CaptUSA]

I stand with Rand!

[specsaregood]

Paul is one of the very few Republicans in a position to influence this. As a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, he will get to vote on whether to recommend Trump’s nominee for secretary of state. The results of the 2016 elections will give Republicans a 10-9 majority on the committee, meaning that Paul could cast a decisive vote, with every Democrat, against recommending a Trump nominee. That would not stop a full Senate vote on the nominee, but it would expose fissures in the Republican Party in the first weeks of a Trump administration.

What does that even mean? He couldn't block the vote, so what exactly does the committee vote mean/do? Sounds like a bunch of nothing. Just saying...

[scm]

He's making great alpha-male moves you can't understand!

Teach him, o' mighty alpha male expert.

Lol.

[The Gold Standard]

Don't be a beta, Rand. Alphas fall in line behind their leader.

[presence]

I stand with Rand.

[eleganz]

WTF Rand? Don't you know that Trump is playing chess, not checkers? And not just chess: 4-D chess! He's making great alpha-male moves you can't understand!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...tary-of-state/

Apparently you don't understand there is an info war for your mind!

Henpecking!

[supermario21]

What does that even mean? He couldn't block the vote, so what exactly does the committee vote mean/do? Sounds like a bunch of nothing. Just saying...

It shows that Rand was right to play the long game and be nice with Republicans back in 14. Mitch rewarded him and this means that he can vote with the Dems to block. If someone doesn't make it out of committee, they can't advance to the floor for a full vote.

[cindy25]

Bolton I can see, but Rudy might be ok. or might not. defense is more important. NO TO COTTON

[specsaregood]

It shows that Rand was right to play the long game and be nice with Republicans back in 14. Mitch rewarded him and this means that he can vote with the Dems to block. If someone doesn't make it out of committee, they can't advance to the floor for a full vote.

That is what I would have assumed but it says right there: "That would not stop a full Senate vote on the nominee"
So it sounds like it wouldn't actually block it from advancing to the floor. That's why I was confused.

[Sola_Fide]

Bolton I can see, but Rudy might be ok. or might not. defense is more important. NO TO COTTON

???

What world do I live on right now???

[Brett85]

What does that even mean? He couldn't block the vote, so what exactly does the committee vote mean/do? Sounds like a bunch of nothing. Just saying...

It still looks bad for a President's cabinet pick to not win the vote of the committee. It would be an embarrassment for Trump and would be something I would think he would want to avoid.

[anaconda]

Dear Rand: Please ask Rudy in Senate testimony who told him that Bldg. 7 was going to come down.

[francisco]

Bolton I can see, but Rudy might be ok. or might not. defense is more important. NO TO COTTON

???

What world do I live on right now???

Trumpkinland

[francisco]

Dear Rand: Please ask Rudy in Senate testimony who told him that Bldg. 7 was going to come down.

Also, ask Giuliani if he's read any good books lately.

[eleganz]

What does that even mean? He couldn't block the vote, so what exactly does the committee vote mean/do? Sounds like a bunch of nothing. Just saying...

Technically, he could block a nomination but needs a partner. If Mike Lee would stand up with Rand...but Mike has broken ranks before, he's not as non-interventionist as Rand but at least Mike is reasonable. This is assuming the Louisiana race goes to a Republican and the Senate GOP is at 52.

[helenpaul]

I would vote for them as long as Trump himself follows through on non-interventionism.

[presence]

Rand Paul: 'I'll do whatever it takes' to stop Bolton from being secretary of state

Politico - ‎19 hours ago‎
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Rare.us - ‎Nov 15, 2016‎
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Business Insider - ‎16 hours ago‎
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The Guardian - ‎17 hours ago‎
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Huffington Post - ‎21 hours ago‎
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Washington Times - ‎18 hours ago‎
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Hot Air - ‎18 hours ago‎
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Reason (blog) - ‎20 hours ago‎
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Mediaite - ‎16 hours ago‎
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Rare.us - ‎19 hours ago‎
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Washington Post - ‎21 hours ago‎
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The Libertarian Republic - ‎19 hours ago‎
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Business Insider - ‎19 hours ago‎
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Breitbart News - ‎15 hours ago‎
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Sputnik International - ‎20 hours ago‎
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Reason (blog) - ‎18 hours ago‎
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Reason (blog) - ‎15 hours ago‎
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New York Daily News - ‎7 hours ago‎
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Rand Paul Says He Would Oppose Giuliani, Bolton For Secretary Of State

TPM - ‎18 hours ago‎
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) opposes the nomination of two of Donald Trump's reported top choices for secretary of state: former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani and former U.N. ambassador John Bolton. “It's important that someone who was an unrepentant ...

killin' that newz cycle
cheers Rand, my hat's off to you

[georgiaboy]

Love it.

Mr. President elect - time to pick a side.

[AuH20]

Who's to say that Trump didn't release these names to simply appease Sheldon Acheson and then he can feign ignorance when they are rejected? It's almost too easy for Rand to knock down these pins. Then Trump can pick the real guy on his list, once the obvious trial balloons are savaged.

[Theocrat]

WTF Rand? Don't you know that Trump is playing chess, not checkers? And not just chess: 4-D chess! He's making great alpha-male moves you can't understand!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...tary-of-state/

Are you serious?

[CaptUSA]

Who's to say that Trump didn't release these names to simply appease Sheldon Acheson and then he can feign ignorance when they are rejected? It's almost too easy for Rand to knock down these pins. Then Trump can pick the real guy on his list, once the obvious trial balloons are savaged.

Ok, I'm just going to throw this out there since we're speculating...

If he were a true non-interventionist and he were going to float some trial balloons, he wouldn't be trying to see how much neocon he could get away with. The "trial balloons" would be in the other direction. He'd be floating the name of a "bring them all home, right now" guy so that a reasonable non-interventionist would appear to be more of a compromise.

[fcreature]

Who's to say that Trump didn't release these names to simply appease Sheldon Acheson and then he can feign ignorance when they are rejected? It's almost too easy for Rand to knock down these pins. Then Trump can pick the real guy on his list, once the obvious trial balloons are savaged.

These leaks were released to see what kind of reaction they would get. Trump's team is interested in the possibility, otherwise they would not have floated it as a "leak" for public reaction.

Rand is, by far, the loudest critic of these choices right now and he may be single handedly preventing either of these men from being nominated just by what he's doing in the news cycle.

Hopefully this idea gets canned, and we can thank Rand for it.

[Occam's Banana]

Who's to say that Trump didn't release these names to simply appease Sheldon Acheson and then he can feign ignorance when they are rejected? It's almost too easy for Rand to knock down these pins. Then Trump can pick the real guy on his list, once the obvious trial balloons are savaged.

Hey, look! I can do that too:

Who's to say that Trump didn't release these names to simply rile up anti-establishmentarians and then he can feign approval when they are rejected? It's almost too easy for Rand to knock down these pins. Then Trump can pick some other establishment hack on his list, once the obvious trial balloons are savaged (and his allegedly "anti-establishment" supporters can then make excuses because "at least it isn't Bolton or Giuliani.").

See how that works?

[Valli6]

Who's to say that Trump didn't release these names to simply appease Sheldon Acheson and then he can feign ignorance when they are rejected? It's almost too easy for Rand to knock down these pins. Then Trump can pick the real guy on his list, once the obvious trial balloons are savaged.

True. My sense is that the names being put out there now, have little to do with who the final choices will be. It may be more to appease the media and possibly the establishment - lull then into a false sense of sameness while Trump is making other plans. If he's such "deal maker" why would he blurt out his real intentions so early on? A post in another thread suggests he's just picking neocons' brains in order to gauge exactly what he's up against - what he'll need to watch out for. You know, "know your enemy". Isn't Trump a big fan of The Art of War?

[fcreature]

True. My sense is that the names being put out there now, have little to do with who the final choices will be. It may be more to appease the media and possibly the establishment - lull then into a false sense of sameness while Trump is making other plans. If he's such "deal maker" why would he blurt out his real intentions so early on? A post in another thread suggests he's just picking neocons' brains in order to gauge exactly what he's up against - what he'll need to watch out for. You know, "know your enemy". Isn't Trump a big fan of The Art of War?

You are looking way too far into this. 9 time out of 10, the simple explanation is the accurate one. Trump's team is interested in these two and and they want to see what the reaction would be. It's that simple.

These leaks were released to see what kind of reaction they would get. Trump's team is interested in the possibility, otherwise they would not have floated it as a "leak" for public reaction.

Rand is, by far, the loudest critic of these choices right now and he may be single handedly preventing either of these men from being nominated just by what he's doing in the news cycle.

Hopefully this idea gets canned, and we can thank Rand for it.

[Occam's Banana]

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
... what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

LOL @ an "anti-establishmentarian" who seeks to "appease the media and the ... establishment" ...

Step 1: Get elected president.
Step 2: Appease media & establishment.
Step 3: ????
Step 4: FREEDOM!!!

Sun Tzu say: "You don't get some of what you really want by asking for lots of what you don't want."