How many of you understand the USA just elected a (potentially) brutal dictator?

[pcosmar]

Of course, I "fall" for the misdirection while trying to keep the thread on topic. I stand by my answer however much we digress from the topic of the thread.

The federal government putting you on a secret infringement list is a direct violation of ALL of your rights, but that's none of my business.

Personally,, I have no interest in flying anywhere.

I would like to own a gun (or a few).
I'm on a list.

Thank you Ronald Reagan.

[newbitech]

Personally,, I have no interest in flying anywhere.

I would like to own a gun (or a few).
I'm on a list.

Thank you Ronald Reagan.

Curious how you know you are on a list and how you've challenged it. Have you tried to buy a gun and been denied? I have an idea of what you are talking about, but just curious if you have asserted that right and met with resistance or if you are not willing to take a risk at this time.

[Jamesiv1]

No. Thank you. I think it is time for you, as site owner, to engage with the members as you have just done. Transparency is a big thing in the liberty movement. Is it not?

Do you think the proliferation of Trump supporters to your site increases your sites goal? Do you instruct your moderators to..moderate? Are you happy with the way this forum has progressed since Trump became a candidate, a nominee, and now the next president?

Honestly, it's time for you to take action, in what ever form you choose, but TAKE action.

Trump was vetted and jettisoned. His sycophants prance upon your property until those of us that have been here since the beginning get tired of it. We bite back. And we get banned for doing it.

You can't call this place Ron Paul Forums, and allow this $#@! to continue.

Many many members have pointed out that it is abhorrent, sullies the name of Ron Paul and gives the wrong impression to his ideals.

Time to $#@! or get off the pot. Is you is, or is you ain't?
@Bryan

Phil, I think that's a great idea!



And here is your software!!

http://www.vbulletin.com/

[phill4paul]

Phil, I think that's a great idea!



And here is your software!!

http://www.vbulletin.com/

What part do you think is a great idea? Hell, if you don't want me around just say so.

[cindy25]

some potential appointments are not good (Bolton , Flynn, Ayotte) but in one positive move Mike Rodgers is out

[Jamesiv1]

What part do you think is a great idea? Hell, if you don't want me around just say so.

My point was simply... If you don't like the way this forum is being run, or if you think that it sucks really hard, then start your own and run it exactly as you see fit.

[Athan]

HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYBODY! lol

[phill4paul]

My point was simply... If you don't like the way this forum is being run, or if you think that it sucks really hard, then start your own and run it exactly as you see fit.

Well I've been here since '07. You, obviously wouldn't understand if an individual had a vested interest. And I don't have to start one myself. There are others out there. I'm simply asking if the site owner cares to have individuals such as myself, that predate you by 4 yrs. in a short lifespan anyway, means anything. If it doesn't. Fine.

[phill4paul]

My point was simply... If you don't like the way this forum is being run, or if you think that it sucks really hard, then start your own and run it exactly as you see fit.

Why don't you leave and start your own?

[Jamesiv1]

Why don't you leave and start your own?

because I'm not the one bitching at Brian about his forum.

[ChristianAnarchist]

Trump isn't the brutal dictator. It's the government that's the dictator. It's a monster in itself and has been consolidating power since the beginning. TEchnology and automation will only make it easier. And people make it easier by using cell phones, using the internet, and buying at places like amazon (which is a big data business partner with the federal government).

You make a mistake here of personalizing "goonerment". If Trump starts throwing his weight around and demanding his way (most likely) then he will be a "dictator". The goonerment has no flesh and blood and cannot DO anything. It is a legal fiction. PEOPLE do all the evil deeds but the use this idea of goonerment authority to justify the evil that they do.

[LibertyEagle]

we shall see, shant we?
Predictions, predictions, predictions.

Who has been right, and who has been wrong.
Please tell me.

I'll tell you who has been wrong. All those on this forum who said over and over again that Trump didn't stand a chance, that he was just running to help Hillary get elected, those that called those of us planning to vote for him all kinds of colorful names.

[The Gold Standard]

I'll tell you who has been wrong. All those on this forum who said over and over again that Trump didn't stand a chance, that he was just running to help Hillary get elected, those that called those of us planning to vote for him all kinds of colorful names.

People who said Trump didn't stand a chance were wrong. People that called the Trumpcucks colorful names seem to have been proven right so far.

[newbitech]

People who said Trump didn't stand a chance were wrong. People that called the Trumpcucks colorful names seem to have been proven right so far.

Sorry I wasn't around to participate in the name calling and all that. Just curious if there is some intersection between the first set of people and the second set of people. Something tells me, 'yes'.

Since you have participated in the name calling, I am also wondering if you said Trump didn't stand a chance. Did you?

[edit]
Looks like, YEP. Didn't even have to look that hard.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6344504

Yawn. They could show footage of Hillary being serviced by sex slave children, and not only will she never face a single charge, but she will still approach 400 votes in the electoral college.

Anyways you are wrong on at least 2 counts here. Name calling and labeling should be warned against, since all it does is incite others and causes any discussion to be degraded. Serial name calling and labeling (especially mislabeling) is a failure of the forum imo. Participating in that shows a lack of ingenuity in your arguments imo.

The other count is your failure to recognize the movement behind Trump. I don't blame you for that, cause it was hard to see through all the propaganda BS if you are not practicing seeing through it. Maybe you and others have practiced seeing through it, but I can find no better reason for the "shock" of Trumps upset win. I saw maybe 2 Hillary signs in my area. It was all Trump all the time in the unplugged world.

Just wondering what you predicted and have been proven right on since literally nothing has changed (I am constantly reminding my Dem friends this since election night).

[The Gold Standard]

Since you have participated in the name calling, I am also wondering if you said Trump didn't stand a chance. Did you?

Nope. I could see how useful a guy like Trump could be to our masters. He can discredit "capitalism", "anti-establishment-ism", and "non-interventionism" all at once. Then it will be generations before Boobus would consider any of these things again.

[newbitech]

Nope. I could see how useful a guy like Trump could be to our masters. He can discredit "capitalism", "anti-establishment-ism", and "non-interventionism" all at once. Then it will be generations before Boobus would consider any of these things again.

well you either lie or you forgot what you said about Hillary winning 400 electors.

And then there is this little gem.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6336183

Nominating Trump is going to cost the Republicans control of Congress. Oh well. They certainly deserve it.

[The Gold Standard]

well you either lie or you forgot what you said about Hillary winning 400 electors.

And then there is this little gem.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6336183

Oh, well I was wrong about that. I meant from the beginning when people said he would never win the nomination, never win a state, etc. I wasn't among them, because if you want to put an end to this rage against the rulers, you put someone in there that will play ball, but make people think he isn't part of the establishment. Then the coming recession and the Immigration SS and the cage keeping people and capital in this country will get people clamoring for the Bush/Clinton era again.

[newbitech]

Oh, well I was wrong about that. I meant from the beginning when people said he would never win the nomination, never win a state, etc. I wasn't among them, because if you want to put an end to this rage against the rulers, you put someone in there that will play ball, but make people think he isn't part of the establishment. Then the coming recession and the Immigration SS and the cage keeping people and capital in this country will get people clamoring for the Bush/Clinton era again.

ok, thanks for clearing that up. For the record, I too was wrong about Trump being able to win. I might have a couple blurbs out there during the primaries. I was totally convinced that Trump was a set up for a Clinton nom (and looking at wiki leaks, the Clinton camp probably thought the same.)

Speaking of wiki leaks, wholly $#@!, I didn't see that hack coming. I mean I figured the hacks were out there but those podesta files really $#@!ed her up good imo.

BTW, I think your name calling causes me to disrespect your posts and opinions. That said, I looked passed that into the merits of your discussion during my glance at your post history.

While I share a similar sentiment, I feel like pulling the trigger for Trump was more about lending my support to the disruption of the status quo. Whether or not that fully bears out remains to be seen, but I already feel like a paradigm shift has occurred in the way regular folks (boobus as you call us) consider govt.

I do think that we'll see some galvanization in the electorate in the coming years. This election in my mind was more than an expression of disgust for the status quo. It actually worked out to where the mortal foe of "the liberty movement" the MSM was crushed and discredited AND the hearts and minds of folks have been softened enough to plant more seeds. Both victories for the people, regardless of which "potentially brutal dictator" was the conduit for the expression and the "winner" of the race.

[The Gold Standard]

While I share a similar sentiment, I feel like pulling the trigger for Trump was more about lending my support to the disruption of the status quo. Whether or not that fully bears out remains to be seen, but I already feel like a paradigm shift has occurred in the way regular folks (boobus as you call us) consider govt.

There are several reasons why someone would vote for Trump. I don't hate Trump voters, and it's not Trump voters that I necessarily call names. It's Trump fanatics that tell me that he is deceiving the establishment and is really a champion for liberty and I'm a leftist, socialist, globalist, cuck piece of $#@! for not submitting myself to his rule. I don't have time for that.

I do think his election sent a message to the rulers. A message that they suspected was coming. I just think the wrong guy was chosen to represent this outrage against the establishment, and chances are very good that wasting this message on this guy will kill that sentiment in the future.

[newbitech]

There are several reasons why someone would vote for Trump. I don't hate Trump voters, and it's not Trump voters that I necessarily call names. It's Trump fanatics that tell me that he is deceiving the establishment and is really a champion for liberty and I'm a leftist, socialist, globalist, cuck piece of $#@! for not submitting myself to his rule. I don't have time for that.

I do think his election sent a message to the rulers. A message that they suspected was coming. I just think the wrong guy was chosen to represent this outrage against the establishment, and chances are very good that wasting this message on this guy will kill that sentiment in the future.

Well that's a fair point. It sucks that you were treated that way. One thing I learned in this election is that people are starting to get sick of being bundled into labels. I think regardless of my personal views, when I see that going on I put it down.

I probably agree with you about the wrong guy, I just think it didn't matter who it was. I really disagree with you about what the rulers suspected. I think there is a fight going on in the upper crust. I think a revolution is happening in the "nobility".

I think the rulers don't really care what the peasants think. I think that Trump still sees the peasants the same way as Hillary would. Pawns on a chess board. I think the difference is at this point, the pawns are starting to become a little unhinged (both fake sides).

I think people who recognize what is going on have an opportunity here, much greater than in 2008 to start planting ideas of liberty. The elites are moving around bigger pieces now and the micromanagement of the pawns is gonna slack. This is gonna open up some great opportunities to counter.

All that is left IMO for a true ideological revolt is to erase the false dichotomy. I think there has never been a more fertile ground for doing that in my lifetime. The MSM is burning, the demographic lines are blurred. These were serious obstacles to my efforts in the last 8 years.

Now is time to drive home the points about the role of government, economics, individual liberty, entangling alliances, due process, and where do our rights come from. Americans are white hot right now, perfect temp to be forged and shaped. All that is left is for the hammer of freedom and the anvil of liberty to start pounding out the sword righteousness.

[thoughtomator]

Nope. I could see how useful a guy like Trump could be to our masters. He can discredit "capitalism", "anti-establishment-ism", and "non-interventionism" all at once. Then it will be generations before Boobus would consider any of these things again.

Fatalism never secured a single liberty for anyone.

If we take that line of thought to its logical conclusion, there's no point in doing anything ever because the puppet masters are pulling every string and their reach is absolute.

That line of thinking is borderline suicidal... or maybe over the border.

[Occam's Banana]

There are several reasons why someone would vote for Trump. I don't hate Trump voters, and it's not Trump voters that I necessarily call names. It's Trump fanatics that tell me that he is deceiving the establishment and is really a champion for liberty and I'm a leftist, socialist, globalist, cuck piece of $#@! for not submitting myself to his rule.

THIS ^^^. Well stated.

[seapilot]

Thought this was an interesting read.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-1...eft-comes-cost

[LibertyEagle]

No. Thank you. I think it is time for you, as site owner, to engage with the members as you have just done. Transparency is a big thing in the liberty movement. Is it not?

Do you think the proliferation of Trump supporters to your site increases your sites goal? Do you instruct your moderators to..moderate? Are you happy with the way this forum has progressed since Trump became a candidate, a nominee, and now the next president?

Honestly, it's time for you to take action, in what ever form you choose, but TAKE action.

Trump was vetted and jettisoned. His sycophants prance upon your property until those of us that have been here since the beginning get tired of it. We bite back. And we get banned for doing it.

You can't call this place Ron Paul Forums, and allow this $#@! to continue.

Many many members have pointed out that it is abhorrent, sullies the name of Ron Paul and gives the wrong impression to his ideals.

Time to $#@! or get off the pot. Is you is, or is you ain't?
@Bryan

Kind of how promoting Gary Johnson and Bill Weld on this site was abhorrent and gave the wrong impression of Ron Paul and his ideals? Like that?

[LibertyEagle]

Fatalism never secured a single liberty for anyone.

If we take that line of thought to its logical conclusion, there's no point in doing anything ever because the puppet masters are pulling every string and their reach is absolute.

That line of thinking is borderline suicidal... or maybe over the border.

What? Did he get banned for this? Why?

[scm]

There are several reasons why someone would vote for Trump. I don't hate Trump voters, and it's not Trump voters that I necessarily call names. It's Trump fanatics that tell me that he is deceiving the establishment and is really a champion for liberty and I'm a leftist, socialist, globalist, cuck piece of $#@! for not submitting myself to his rule. I don't have time for that.

I do think his election sent a message to the rulers. A message that they suspected was coming. I just think the wrong guy was chosen to represent this outrage against the establishment, and chances are very good that wasting this message on this guy will kill that sentiment in the future.

I agree with everything you said except this election didn't send a message to the rulers, the rulers sent a message to everyone this election. He was hand picked for this role for the exact reason (plus more) that you say.

[ChristianAnarchist]

There are several reasons why someone would vote for Trump. I don't hate Trump voters, and it's not Trump voters that I necessarily call names. It's Trump fanatics that tell me that he is deceiving the establishment and is really a champion for liberty and I'm a leftist, socialist, globalist, cuck piece of $#@! for not submitting myself to his rule. I don't have time for that.

Absolutely right. I won't submit to ANYONE's rule. I don't want a "ruler". I have no need for a "ruler". Used to be (seems like a thousand years ago) they were called "servants". Guess they didn't like to "serve" and would much more like to "rule".

Foulk all those who wish to "RULE"!!!

[bubbleboy]

Awesome. He must be good. hell yea

[Superfluous Man]

I'll tell you who has been wrong. All those on this forum who said over and over again that Trump didn't stand a chance, that he was just running to help Hillary get elected, those that called those of us planning to vote for him all kinds of colorful names.

They were right about the colorful names.

[Son_of_Liberty90]

Hey guys lets predict the absolute worst before anything happens thus boosting our morale in a weird way that's a great idea.

It's not even a done deal yet with all of these protests, potential rogue electors, recount BS and now allegations of Russian intervention in the elections on Trump's behalf.

Not to mention, the white house doing a 180 now questioning the election results after they were respectful and acknowledged the winning candidate.

It's absolute madness.