For only the 5th time in our election history, a candidate has won the presidency while losing the popular vote.
Trump's statement when he thought Romney would lose the election but win the popular vote:
Should the Electoral College be removed, or should it only exist when your chosen candidate wins?
It is a disaster for democracy but great for a Constitutional Republic. It protects the minority.
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Yes, voting for people who vote for us, has done a great job, at protecting the minorityOriginally Posted by seapilot
Think how much better it would be, if we voted for people, who voted for people, who vote for us.
We could save the Republic.
Last edited by TheTexan; 11-09-2016 at 02:11 PM.
- Kim KardashianIt's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!
My pronouns are he/him/his
This is the leading discussion among my liberal Facebook friends.
Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018
NO! You want muh Electoral College then μολον λαβε sucka!!
http://glenbradley.net/share/aleksan...nitsyn_4-t.gif “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
But theirs is probably based on sour grapes due to their losing candidate. Mine is focused on pointing out partisan stupidity. The fact that a candidate that wanted to do away with the Electoral College wins an election because of it is comical. The fact that he makes no mention of it shows the hypocrisy that is rife in both parties. I've made no secret that I would like to see the GOP implode and the remnants join the LP or form a viable 3rd Party based on Libertarian principles/Ron Paul ideologies.
It's time to do away with voting.
Yep.
We are NOT a democracy.
There is no spoon.
He also called US tax system bad and took advantage of its loopholes for his businesses gains.
He played by the rules in place and won spending 63% less than SWC-DGP moneybaggers cabal per electoral vote.
I suspect that if victory was based on popular vote, Trumpster would have found a way to beat Clinton on that front also by adjusting his strategy.
Having been exposed to Casino betting business, he probably has access to some of the best statistical experts compared to what mediocre MSM pundits relied on.
Nate Silver
Hillary supporters probably would be upset at her for wasting their money on votes that didn't matter.
Hillary Spent Nearly Twice As Much Per Vote As Trump... For Nothing
Nov 9, 2016 12:50 PM
Donald Trump pulled off one of the biggest upsets in American political history last night and he was able to do it after spending nearly half of what the Clinton campaign spent. According to Reuters, Hillary Clinton raised over $520 million for her campaign compared to only $270 million for Trump, much of which came out of his own pocket. Given the current popular vote count those spending figures equate to roughly $8.80 per Hillary vote versus $4.57 for Trump. Moreover, those spending figures don't even factor in the money spent by the various Super PACs where Hillary likely outspent Trump by a hefty margin as well.
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Is it confirmed he lost the popular vote?
The election results from the nytimes and others ( http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president) seem to be showing that the electoral votes for Michigan, Arizona, and New Hampshire have still not been added to the totals, so if the electoral votes haven't been added, I wonder if the popular votes have been added?
Does anyone know anything more about this?
But if we did away with voting, how would we vote on things
- Kim KardashianIt's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!
My pronouns are he/him/his
Trump has free wheeled into success. His accuracy doesn't matter.
BOWLING GREEN, Kentucky – Washington liberals are trying to push through the so-called DREAM Act, which creates an official path to Democrat voter registration for 2 million college-age illegal immigrants.
Rand Paul 2010
Booker T. Washington:
Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know, whose
fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your firesides.
Yeah, they are not all totaled yet.
I was going to agree with the OP's point, but there is another thing to consider if she does win the popular vote:
All Chump has to do to be consistent is to say she only won the popular vote due to voter fraud, or election fraud. I'm really (pleasantly)surprised that I didn't read posts in this thread from his supporters saying that.
Also, as enhanced-deficit reminds me, Chump would just say that although he is against the electoral college, he accepts his win because he is just following the rules that are in place, and Killary should have changed them like he'd been paying her to do.
So, what he should really do to be consistent is to push to do away with the electoral college during his presidency, even though it helped give him his win, so that things could be "fair" when he is up for re-election.
(I'm not saying I am against the electoral college, but the discussion is about Chump's hypocrisy.)
Last edited by Sumthinorother; 11-09-2016 at 04:27 PM.
The states are still too close to call a victory for either candidate yet but their votes counted so far are included in the tally. Given that they are toss-ups, the remaining votes are likely close to each other too and not going to shift the total popular vote in either direction. Don't know how many votes are still outstanding but not likely enough to erase a 200,000 vote lead (other state totals are not final yet either- mail in ballots and absentee and provisional ballots are not all counted in all states).
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 11-09-2016 at 04:37 PM.
>>> but their votes counted so far are included in the tally.
Thanks Zippy; that makes sense. So the popular votes are added in, however, the electoral votes of those 3 states have not yet been added in?
Last edited by charrob; 11-09-2016 at 04:41 PM.
Reread what was said. Not all votes have yet been counted
Stop $#@!ing with the Constitution.
Michael Moore's "viral" Morning After To-Do List:
1. Take over the Democratic Party and return it to the people. They have failed us miserably.
2. Fire all pundits, predictors, pollsters and anyone else in the media who had a narrative they wouldn't let go of and refused to listen to or acknowledge what was really going on. Those same bloviators will now tell us we must "heal the divide" and “come together.” They will pull more hooey like that out of their ass in the days to come. Turn them off.
3. Any Democratic member of Congress who didn’t wake up this morning ready to fight, resist and obstruct in the way Republicans did against President Obama every day for eight full years must step out of the way and let those of us who know the score lead the way in stopping the meanness and the madness that's about to begin.
4. Everyone must stop saying they are “stunned” and “shocked.” What you mean to say is that you were in a bubble and weren’t paying attention to your fellow Americans and their despair. YEARS of being neglected by both parties, the anger and the need for revenge against the system only grew. Along came a TV star they liked whose plan was to destroy both parties and tell them all “You're fired!” Trump’s victory is no surprise. He was never a joke. Treating him as one only strengthened him. He is both a creature and a creation of the media and the media will never own that.
5. You must say this sentence to everyone you meet today: “HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE!” The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. Period. Fact. If you woke up this morning thinking you live in an effed-up country, you don’t. The majority of your fellow Americans wanted Hillary, not Trump. The only reason he’s president is because of an arcane, insane 18th-century idea called the Electoral College. Until we change that, we’ll continue to have presidents we didn’t elect and didn’t want. You live in a country where a majority of its citizens have said they believe there’s climate change, they believe women should be paid the same as men, they want a debt-free college education, they don’t want us invading countries, they want a raise in the minimum wage and they want a single-payer true universal health care system. None of that has changed. We live in a country where the majority agree with the “liberal” position. We just lack the liberal leadership to make that happen (see: #1 above). Let's try to get this all done by noon today. -- Michael Moore
Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018
And just blow it up already.
I answered you on another thread.
Yes, he did by about 200k votes.
There is no spoon.
Right. But my confusion was 'do they refrain from adding in the popular vote if the electoral vote has not yet been added in'? In other words, Michigan has not been called so it's electoral votes have not been added to the tallies. Since the electoral votes have not been added, have the popular votes obtained so far in Michigan been added to the tally? According to Zippy, Michigan's electoral votes have not been added, however, Michigan's popular votes have been added.
I wouldn't bet on that just yet.
Not betting on anything, as yet.
Still so many votes not in that there is room for a state to flip. Would be very interesting.
There is no spoon.
I agree; it just seems pre-mature to say he lost the popular vote if 3 of the states have not yet even been called... it just seems there's too much arguing about this around the web when we're not even sure of the final results of the election. Trump so far has won by ~90,000 votes in Arizona but Arizona has not been called: it's electoral votes have not been added to the tallies; do they withhold adding a state's popular votes until that state's electoral votes are added in so both can be added in at the same time? It would seem to be more logical and consistent to do so, yet Zippy believes that's not how they do it. I haven't found anything on the web as to what their procedures are.
What about "winner takes all"?
Why are all of CA's electoral votes (for example) going to one candidate when 35% of the residents voted for the rival.
"An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.
"To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."
Say what?
100% agreed.4. Everyone must stop saying they are “stunned” and “shocked.” What you mean to say is that you were in a bubble and weren’t paying attention to your fellow Americans and their despair. YEARS of being neglected by both parties, the anger and the need for revenge against the system only grew. Along came a TV star they liked whose plan was to destroy both parties and tell them all “You're fired!” Trump’s victory is no surprise. He was never a joke. Treating him as one only strengthened him. He is both a creature and a creation of the media and the media will never own that.
I don't get this...5. You must say this sentence to everyone you meet today: “HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE!” The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. Period. Fact. If you woke up this morning thinking you live in an effed-up country, you don’t. The majority of your fellow Americans wanted Hillary, not Trump. The only reason he’s president is because of an arcane, insane 18th-century idea called the Electoral College. Until we change that, we’ll continue to have presidents we didn’t elect and didn’t want. You live in a country where a majority of its citizens have said they believe there’s climate change, they believe women should be paid the same as men, they want a debt-free college education, they don’t want us invading countries, they want a raise in the minimum wage and they want a single-payer true universal health care system. None of that has changed. We live in a country where the majority agree with the “liberal” position. We just lack the liberal leadership to make that happen (see: #1 above). Let's try to get this all done by noon today. -- Michael Moore
You don't want to live in a country run by Donald Trump. I get that. I sympathize with that! But why do you want to force your views on everyone else as though THAT is okay?
How do people not get this?
If a majority choose one thing and are forced to accept a different thing, who is doing the imposing? We could have been saved the disasterous George W. Bush and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. (Don't know if Gore would have been that great either- another election with two bad options).
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 11-09-2016 at 05:16 PM.
http://bgr.com/2016/11/09/trump-twitter-obama-election/For only the 5th time in our election history, a candidate has won the presidency while losing the popular vote.
Trump's statement when he thought Romney would lose the election but win the popular vote:
Should the Electoral College be removed, or should it only exist when your chosen candidate wins?
"An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.
"To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."
"We".
My question stands. If Michael Moore and those like-minded don't want to live in a country where Donald Trump is president, why do those folks think it's okay to force everyone else to live in a country under their favored president?
So what the majority chooses does not matter.
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