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It's wasn't the reason for it, as the Declarations of the Causes given by 4 of the states linked below shows. Using a word search for all of them, the word slave comes up 80 times, while the word tariff doesn't come up even once. In Jefferson Davis's farewell address to the Senate, tariff's weren't mentioned once, while the slavery issue was addressed significantly.
http://www.civilwar.org/education/hi...nofcauses.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech
http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~ras277.../stephens.html
Further, at the time of the 7 original secessions, the Democrats controlled the Senate and tariffs were very low. The secessions are what gave the Republicans control of the Senate and allowed tariff increases like the Morill Tariff to get through the Senate.
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I'm not a purist, I can tolerate imperfect candidates who move things in the right direction, even if only slightly. But a Trump Presidency would be moving things in the wrong direction.
Stop believing stupid things
We hashed this out in a history forum thread. Not sure if you're interested, but I posted some racist Lincoln quotes and some other items about the economics of that war.
See posts 4 and 22 here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...93civil-war%94
Disrupt, Deny, Deflate. Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3): http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...eptive-members
Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.
Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.
Unfortunately the inability to recognize and treat this sort of thinking with the proper level contempt it deserves has been the death of this place.
What's the other option you got, dumbass? Madame Let's Have a Nuclear War herself was your alternative.
If BushClintonBushObama -> Trump is not a move in the right direction for you, then there is something wrong with you, something seriously wrong that probably can't be fixed, ever.
But thanks for poisoning the well here for three years with your immense pantloads of suicidally stupid Jack Handyisms. We really $#@!ing appreciate it.
Agreed. Admittedly dragging theology into this can get tangential, but Donald Trump is many things even though being libertarian is a tad different than being a libertine or a liberal. D.T sometimes says a few things that sound sorta libertarian, but he thinks like an autocrat.
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It's all a move in the same direction most likely. Maybe Trump will be an improvement, but I wouldn't count on it.
Interesting analysis there. I've never smoked pot in my life (and never plan on smoking it in the future), and I attend church weekly, yet I despise Trump too.
Stop believing stupid things
OK, so you were willing to effectively side with a rent-seeking, rape enabling Traitor. Got it!
With Trump at least there is some possibility he will not be the front man for the NWO. HRC besides being a career criminal is just sufficient demented to start WW3 in Syria if given the chance. Romney vs Barry? virtually two peas in a pod. They even share the trait of non-Natural Born Citizen status.
ok Mr. Warrior for liberty, are you going to form a coalition of liberty activists and try and get the new President up to speed on the liberty movement?...
seems this would be a good activism idea.
i don't use Twitter, so its up to you negative nancy's to make the attempt..
get on it, or stop the childish whining like all the rest of the lazy wannabe liberty activists in here...
keep us posted on your efforts.
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this would be voluntary. Thats only IF you really gave a $#@! about Liberty.
kinda like when you enlisted right?...
all talk...no action. I'm disapponted.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...weets-to-Trump
Last edited by JK/SEA; 11-14-2016 at 03:22 PM.
Right, I gave up the last 8 years of my life and the only inheritance I will ever receive, and lived basically in poverty to fight for liberty while the rest of you fuk nuts poked around on Farcebook and acted like you did something. Along comes 2016 and the flock of retards come out to claim that the entire purpose behind Ron Paul and the liberty movement was Donald J Trump. Piss off. I'm done going hungry for a bunch of ignorati. You want me to lobby Trumpadileo (I would have used Trump's proper name here but I can no longer do so thanks to LibertyEagle) to uphold constitutionalist and libertarian principles? Fine. I'd be glad to. I start at $70,000 a year and expect bonuses for targeted legislation that passes. That's like half of what a normal lobbyist makes so if you don't like it you can eat mud.
thats your cross to bear. Fine. Remain just another mouth that bitches about everybody else, then runs and hides....
at least we all know where our resident Marine stands...
you can't even bring yourself to tweet Trump about Ron Paul without being paid 70k....congrats....pathetic.
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-Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
Author of, War is a Racket!
- Diogenes of SinopeIt is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
I don't reject Trump nor do I support him. With that being said, the second he makes a decision against the public or supports foreign intervention he loses my benefit of the doubt.
I don't mean this in any way as a dig against you Leighton. I'm just using your comments as a springboard for a thought of my own.
Why anyone would grant the benefit of the doubt to a known narcisssist who has deliberately sought and acquired near absolute power over their lives is beyond me. Don't people possess even the most rudimentary levels of self-preservation instinct anymore? It seems to me that there mere fact that the guy wanted the job is more than sufficient cause for extreme skepticism. With the stroke of a pen this guy could end you.
Benefit of the doubt? Not even. EVERYTHING the guy does should be put under the microscope. Everything.
Chris
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