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    WikiLeaks Reveals DNC Elevated Trump to Help Clinton

    http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileak...-help-clinton/

    Note this at the bottom of the article:

    Disclosure: Donald Trump is the father-in-law of Jared Kushner, the publisher of Observer Media.

    So even those close to Trump know that Clinton wanted Trump to be the GOP nominee.


    Trump is the Clinton's manchurian candidate. He fought just enough to keep rank and file republicans on board. But if Trump was really trying to win he would have made this into a TV commercial.

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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    All the Clintons' alleged preference shows is that, once again, Hillary is a lousy candidate, who deeply miscalculated the strength of Trump's candidacy. Putting Trump in as the nominee would have required establishment-wide scheming, not Hillary unilateral scheming. Prior to June 2015 no one, including Jeb, including Hillary, and including the Donald had any idea he would be anything more than a passing fad, so how could they have masterminded his overcoming Bush, Walker, Rubio etc? And in terms of the fall campaign, other than Rand, it is extremely doubtful any other GOP candidate could have weathered the Clinton machine's apocalyptic negative media onslaught as well as Trump has.

    Meaning, Trump is a strong candidate trying to win, not a weak one trying to lose. A candidate trying to help Hillary win would not have brought Juanita Broaddick and other Slick-assaulted women to the debates. If Trump were a patsy or Manchurian candidate he would have UNDER-campaigned, to protect Jeb from the rival primary contenders (running only strongly enough to split the non-Bush Republican vote, as Thompson did in 2008 on behalf of McCain), then would have promptly gotten out of the race.

    Or, if he was trying to sabotage Jeb on behalf of Hillary, he again would have under-campaigned, running only hard enough to irreparably damage Jeb going into the fall campaign, then got himself out--or, he would have split the vote by running third party. Trump did exactly none of these far much more sure-fire things, thus he is not a Manchurian candidate. If anything, it looks more like he played the Clintons, in order to elevate and help himself.
    Last edited by Peace&Freedom; 10-23-2016 at 09:19 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    All the Clintons' alleged preference shows is that, once again, Hillary is a lousy candidate, who deeply miscalculated the strength of Trump's candidacy. Putting Trump in as the nominee would have required establishment-wide scheming, not Hillary unilateral scheming. Prior to June 2015 no one, including Jeb, including Hillary, and including the Donald had any idea he would be anything more than a passing fad, so how could they have masterminded his overcoming Bush, Walker, Rubio etc? And in terms of the fall campaign, other than Rand, it is extremely doubtful any other GOP candidate could have weathered the Clinton machine's apocalyptic negative media onslaught as well as Trump has.

    Meaning, Trump is a strong candidate trying to win, not a weak one trying to lose. A candidate trying to help Hillary win would not have brought Juanita Broaddick and other Slick-assaulted women to the debates. If Trump were a patsy or Manchurian candidate he would have UNDER-campaigned, to protect Jeb from the rival primary contenders (running only strongly enough to split the non-Bush Republican vote, as Thompson did in 2008 on behalf of McCain), then would have promptly gotten out of the race.

    Or, if he was trying to sabotage Jeb on behalf of Hillary, he again would have under-campaigned, running only hard enough to irreparably damage Jeb going into the fall campaign, then got himself out--or, he would have split the vote by running third party. Trump did exactly none of these far much more sure-fire things, thus he is not a Manchurian candidate.
    +1. not enough rep.

    They keep coming back to the theory Trump is an insider job. Unbelievable and totally against logic and facts.

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    If Trump was a insider job plot he wouldn't be citing Wikileaks.

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    I knew that was the plan from the start but it became much more obvious once other "conservative leaning" forums started censoring (or outright deleting) anti-Trump threads and posts that exposed that he was a media propped up Clinton plant. Pretty much all "conservative leaning" websites of influence have been taken over by powers that wanted to ensure another Democrat president and the continued death of conservatism in general. Can't have conservatism in general sticking around if a global socialist (nwo) system is the goal. All actors have been playing their parts quite well in the controlled demolition of the old right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    All the Clintons' alleged preference shows is that, once again, Hillary is a lousy candidate, who deeply miscalculated the strength of Trump's candidacy.
    What you're missing is that whether Trump garnered more support than was expected or would/will even beat Clinton in an honest counting of votes is irrelevant, the narrative of his loss is entirely believable to the average non-politically astute voter, of which most of the electorate is. It's all about selling a narrative that conforms to the outcome that was decided before the election even started. It's about managing the public's perception of the outcome, not what the outcome really is if everything else is on the up-and-up. It would have been much harder to sell a narrative that Clinton beat Rand or Kasich but very believable that she beat Trump. Voters don't elect the President. The US is not a government, it is a corporation and like any corporation the common stockholders don't elect the CEO. The Board of Directors does. The common stockholders (voters) get to voice a preference but it can be ignored if it goes against the will of the BoD (see: 2000).
    Last edited by devil21; 10-23-2016 at 10:42 AM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    So oft duplitious Hillary had public position to call Trump "deplorable" and her private position had been to "elevate" him?

    From latest polls two weeks before election, seesm like wikileak whistle blowers may have ruined Hillary's private/public positiong strategy.

    Who would she blame if God forbid voters picked Trump over her? Will be mother of all ironies. They may want to change the deplorable label to Frankenstein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    So oft duplitious Hillary had public position to call Trump "deplorable" and her private position had been to "elevate" him?

    From latest polls two weeks before election, seesm like wikileak whistle blowers may have ruined Hillary's private/public positiong strategy.

    Who would she blame if God forbid voters picked Trump over her? Will be mother of all ironies. They may want to change the deplorable label to Frankenstein.
    It's no problem. They own the voting machines and the media.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Some of you must be delusional. Trump is going to lose and it won't even be close.

    I think trump knew his job would be to prevent a Rand Paul nominee, and maybe he never expected to become the nominee. But the fact that the media called trump the "anti establishment" option early on tells me that they were all on the same page about propping trump up over the true anti establishment candidate.

    Trump is a billionaire. He IS the establishment and will be a continuation of the status quo. If he somehow wins.
    No - No - No - No
    2016



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    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    Some of you must be delusional. Trump is going to lose and it won't even be close.

    I think trump knew his job would be to prevent a Rand Paul nominee, and maybe he never expected to become the nominee. But the fact that the media called trump the "anti establishment" option early on tells me that they were all on the same page about propping trump up over the true anti establishment candidate.

    Trump is a billionaire. He IS the establishment and will be a continuation of the status quo. If he somehow wins.
    Trump's job also was to further condition the right to accept more police state measures, more war rhetoric (notice Trump never truly called out Clinton over 'ISIS', just scratched the surface while continuing the same establishment narrative) and all the same status quo crap that never changes regardless of who the President or party in power is. He's surrounded by NYC liberals, Goldman alumni, etc. How can anyone not think he's been a willing participant in the script?
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Win or not. Thumps job is to take authoritarianism to a whole new acceptable level and destroy the RATpubliCON party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    Some of you must be delusional. Trump is going to lose and it won't even be close.

    I think trump knew his job would be to prevent a Rand Paul nominee, and maybe he never expected to become the nominee. But the fact that the media called trump the "anti establishment" option early on tells me that they were all on the same page about propping trump up over the true anti establishment candidate.

    Trump is a billionaire. He IS the establishment and will be a continuation of the status quo. If he somehow wins.
    All #nevertrump people, if Trump is going to lose why don't you take a break and come back after the election to see how right you were?

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    For all those who didn't read the cited email: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1120

    Quoted text is in the attachment, where Cruz is listed on equal footing with Trump, and Carson (in that order, all are mentioned only once.)

    This gives credence to the thought that Trump is not a plant for Clinton, otherwise they would not be talking about Trump in the vein as Cruz or Carson.
    They confronted me in the day of my calamity, but the Lord was my support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    +1. not enough rep.

    They keep coming back to the theory Trump is an insider job. Unbelievable and totally against logic and facts.
    Here are the facts.

    1) Trump threw the first debate. Anyone who thinks Trump won the first debate is delusional. Even uber Trump supporter Michael Savage admits Trump lost the first debate.

    2) Trump is the only GOP candidate that did not have the character and temperament to attack Clinton on character and temperament.

    3) The Clintons asked Trump to run.

    4) Trump donated to Rham Emanuel this election cycle.

    5) Trump has been mum on the Clinton groping video.

    6) Trump missed a golden opportunity to bury Clinton in the third debate. All he had to say was "I agree with you Chris (Wallace). Hillary's plan for a no fly zone over Syria is asking for war with Russia. The American people don't want another war and especially not a war with a nuclear armed power. Instead of trying confrontation with Russia we should seek cooperation against ISIS. Obama didn't start bombing ISIS until Russia did." Instead he rambled on about Russia seizing territory in the cease fire

    7) Clinton knew about all the dirt she had on Trump during the primaries. And the MSM didn't dump on Trump on obvious flaws like his dubious claim that he was against the Iraq war from the beginning. Hell, that was openly discussed here long before it became a debate tactic.

    Trump seriously is a weak candidate. Everybody but the hardest core Trump supporters understands this. And if Trump gets spanked on election day the hard core Trumpskiites will say "See? That just proves voter fraud!" If Trump was a decent candidate he would be beating Hillary so bad that fraud wouldn't matter.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by staerker View Post
    For all those who didn't read the cited email: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1120

    Quoted text is in the attachment, where Cruz is listed on equal footing with Trump, and Carson (in that order, all are mentioned only once.)

    This gives credence to the thought that Trump is not a plant for Clinton, otherwise they would not be talking about Trump in the vein as Cruz or Carson.
    What exactly gives the idea that Trump isn't a plant for a Clinton win in that email and attachment? Do you seriously think a widely distributed email and pdf to the entire DNC Committee would expressly state that Trump is the designated Clinton plant????
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    All the Clintons' alleged preference shows is that, once again, Hillary is a lousy candidate, who deeply miscalculated the strength of Trump's candidacy. Putting Trump in as the nominee would have required establishment-wide scheming, not Hillary unilateral scheming. Prior to June 2015 no one, including Jeb, including Hillary, and including the Donald had any idea he would be anything more than a passing fad, so how could they have masterminded his overcoming Bush, Walker, Rubio etc? And in terms of the fall campaign, other than Rand, it is extremely doubtful any other GOP candidate could have weathered the Clinton machine's apocalyptic negative media onslaught as well as Trump has.
    Ummmmm....no it wouldn't. All it required was for the liberal media not properly vetting Trump until after the primary season was over. Pull your head out Trump's rump and think. Let's say this "grab em by the pussy" video had come out when Trump's buddies at the National $#@!quirer was smearing Ted Cruz? You know good and well what would have happened. Trump would have tanked and Cruz would have been the nominee. Oh, and who was sitting on this information? None other than a relative of Jeb Bush! Ask yourself why he didn't come out with it in time to help Cruz? The truth is the establishment knew this was the year of the insurgent candidate. If they didn't pump Trump either Cruz on Rand Paul would have won on the GOP side. Really even the establishment republicans would rather have Hillary Clinton than they would Cruz or Rand. Trump, Hillary and Jeb are all controlled by Goldman Sachs You've been had. Sorry.





    Alex Jones tried to warn you that Trump was a manchurian candidate for the Clintons...and then Alex Jones sold out.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Ummmmm....no it wouldn't. All it required was for the liberal media not properly vetting Trump until after the primary season was over. Pull your head out Trump's rump and think. Let's say this "grab em by the pussy" video had come out when Trump's buddies at the National $#@!quirer was smearing Ted Cruz? You know good and well what would have happened. Trump would have tanked and Cruz would have been the nominee. Oh, and who was sitting on this information? None other than a relative of Jeb Bush! Ask yourself why he didn't come out with it in time to help Cruz? The truth is the establishment knew this was the year of the insurgent candidate. If they didn't pump Trump either Cruz on Rand Paul would have won on the GOP side. Really even the establishment republicans would rather have Hillary Clinton than they would Cruz or Rand. Trump, Hillary and Jeb are all controlled by Goldman Sachs You've been had. Sorry.





    Alex Jones tried to warn you that Trump was a manchurian candidate for the Clintons...and then Alex Jones sold out.



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  20. #17
    Ha ha funny. Do you have any counter explanation as to why Billy Bush sat on information that could have helped take down Trump while his uncle Jeb was still in the race?

    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  21. #18
    Don't let others get you down. Not naysayers, not pretenders, not appeasers, not opportunists; none of em.

    What others do pales beside what YOU do.

    Press on! - The r3VOLution continues...

    "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."

    ~ C.Coolidge

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    All #nevertrump people, if Trump is going to lose why don't you take a break and come back after the election to see how right you were?
    Why? Do you think I have no right to stay and discuss things liberty related with other people who are here for the same reason?

    Since I won't just accept the steaming pile of crap that was served up to me by the repubs, somehow I don't have a place here in the Ron Paul forums?

    Do you wish to silence me since you obviously don't agree with me?
    No - No - No - No
    2016

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    Why? Do you think I have no right to stay and discuss things liberty related with other people who are here for the same reason?

    Since I won't just accept the steaming pile of crap that was served up to me by the repubs, somehow I don't have a place here in the Ron Paul forums?

    Do you wish to silence me since you obviously don't agree with me?


  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by staerker View Post
    For all those who didn't read the cited email: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1120

    Quoted text is in the attachment, where Cruz is listed on equal footing with Trump, and Carson (in that order, all are mentioned only once.)

    This gives credence to the thought that Trump is not a plant for Clinton, otherwise they would not be talking about Trump in the vein as Cruz or Carson.
    1) Did Cruz or Carson ever donate to Hillary Clinton for Senate?

    2) Did Cruz or Carson donate to Rahm Emanuel for mayor of Chicago?

    3) Did Cruz or Carson party with the Clintons?

    4) Did the Clintons ask Cruz or Carson to get involved with the GOP and/or run for president? (Undeniable smoking gun there.)

    5) Did Cruz and Carson have a long track record on supporting liberal positions on abortion, gay marriage and gun control? (Carson was once weak on gun control but not a bad as Trump.)

    6) Did the MSM sit on stories during the primary that would have hurt Cruz or Carson?

    Hell, just look at how Saturday Night Live portrayed Carson as a homicidal maniac. That sketch was almost taken verbatim from Trump speeches. And the whole "Ted Cruz is an adulterer" National Inquirer spread. There is more evidence of MSM being helpful to Trump during the primary and then going full bore anti Trump in the general than just this email.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Here are the facts.

    1) Trump threw the first debate. Anyone who thinks Trump won the first debate is delusional. Even uber Trump supporter Michael Savage admits Trump lost the first debate.

    2) Trump is the only GOP candidate that did not have the character and temperament to attack Clinton on character and temperament.

    3) The Clintons asked Trump to run.

    4) Trump donated to Rham Emanuel this election cycle.

    5) Trump has been mum on the Clinton groping video.

    6) Trump missed a golden opportunity to bury Clinton in the third debate. All he had to say was "I agree with you Chris (Wallace). Hillary's plan for a no fly zone over Syria is asking for war with Russia. The American people don't want another war and especially not a war with a nuclear armed power. Instead of trying confrontation with Russia we should seek cooperation against ISIS. Obama didn't start bombing ISIS until Russia did." Instead he rambled on about Russia seizing territory in the cease fire

    7) Clinton knew about all the dirt she had on Trump during the primaries. And the MSM didn't dump on Trump on obvious flaws like his dubious claim that he was against the Iraq war from the beginning. Hell, that was openly discussed here long before it became a debate tactic.

    Trump seriously is a weak candidate. Everybody but the hardest core Trump supporters understands this. And if Trump gets spanked on election day the hard core Trumpskiites will say "See? That just proves voter fraud!" If Trump was a decent candidate he would be beating Hillary so bad that fraud wouldn't matter.
    Coulda woulda shoulda

    And who here remembers watching Ron Paul in his debates and shouting at the TV... RON, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?????!!!! Don't take the bait, etc.
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  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    All #nevertrump people, if Trump is going to lose why don't you take a break and come back after the election to see how right you were?
    Methinks you're on the wrong forum.



    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Right back at you.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulhawaii View Post
    Uh huh, vote for the 3rd party, Johnson/Weld, and support an idiot and an open borders world government dude. What could go wrong with that?

    Did you catch Gary on CSPAN the other day? He was talking about his love of the EPA. Good stuff.
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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Coulda woulda shoulda
    Trump coulda shoulda woulda donated to Rahm Emmanuel and Hillary Clinton?

    And who here remembers watching Ron Paul in his debates and shouting at the TV... RON, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?????!!!! Don't take the bait, etc.
    Of the 7 points I mentioned only 2 of them had anything to do with a debate. And on the issue of the no fly zone that was a gimme from Chris Wallace. This isn't a case of Ron being honest and saying "Well sure you don't need the government to tell you not to take heroin." It was a case of Trump just opening a perfectly laid snare by the moderator and letting Hillary out of it for no apparent reason.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Trump coulda shoulda woulda donated to Rahm Emmanuel and Hillary Clinton?



    Of the 7 points I mentioned only 2 of them had anything to do with a debate. And on the issue of the no fly zone that was a gimme from Chris Wallace. This isn't a case of Ron being honest and saying "Well sure you don't need the government to tell you not to take heroin." It was a case of Trump just opening a perfectly laid snare by the moderator and letting Hillary out of it for no apparent reason.
    Trump is not good at debating. Although, he is improving.

    I'll check out the donations and see when they took place. Your other so-called points are lame.
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trump is not good at debating. Although, he is improving.

    I'll check out the donations and see when they took place. Your other so-called points are lame.
    Okay. Explain. Here are the non-debate/non-donation points.

    2) Trump is the only GOP candidate that did not have the character and temperament to attack Clinton on character and temperament.

    3) The Clintons asked Trump to run.

    5) Trump has been mum on the Clinton groping video.


    Do you really think that Rand Paul or Ted Cruz has a "grab em by the pussy" video floating around out there? I doubt it. It would have been used already. Rand's already risen above aquabuddha and only complete idiots take the National Inquirerer Ted Cruz adultery story seriously.

    Why does the fact that the Clintons asked Trump to run not bother you? In the very least it corroborates the gist of the OP article published by an operation run by Trump's father in law..

    Why, with all of the attacks against Trump, did Trump lay off going after Bill after the second debate, especially now that there's a video of Bill groping a woman? That video was out before the last debate. Instead of attacking Bill and Hillary, Trump attacked his accusers. So he went away from what worked in the 2nd debate to what wasn't working all the other times. If Trump turned the Clinton groping video into a TV commercial this election would be over.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by staerker View Post
    For all those who didn't read the cited email: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1120

    Quoted text is in the attachment, where Cruz is listed on equal footing with Trump, and Carson (in that order, all are mentioned only once.)

    This gives credence to the thought that Trump is not a plant for Clinton, otherwise they would not be talking about Trump in the vein as Cruz or Carson.
    This. There is nothing new revealed in this article or wikileak as it was released about a week ago.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    I don't get your point here
    No - No - No - No
    2016

  34. #30
    It is impressive that the Democratic Party controls what the Republican Party does. But if so, Clinton should be leading by a lot more than she is and should also control the House and Senate.

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