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  1. #61
    It's amusing seeing people who regularly post outright lies/out of context snips complain about unfortunate words that have come out of their candidate's mouth.

    Question: How many times has Trump ended his speech in front of avg Americans saying we need to come together "as a world community"?

    Question: If they hated Trump so much, why was his speech so well received? Yes, there were some boos and jeers in the middle, but the beginning, and more importantly, the end was well received. People try to spin this event as Trump "standing up to a den of vipers" and all I can do is laugh. The many pictures of Trump and Hillary laughing together at that event suggest otherwise.

    Regarding the primary topic here; whether or not Trump is/was in on the use of the Pied Piper strategy is immaterial to the fact that TeamHillary knew he would be a weak candidate. It ain't like the Pied Piper strategy is some kind of new thing. The DNC used it in the Missouri Senate race to eliminate Brunner and insure Aiken would be the opponent against McCaskill. This tells me that Trump's support was artificially inflated. In that regard I find it interesting that Trump did so well in open primary states, and now, looking at the Podesta Emails, seeing how TeamClinton was worried about Sanders using Obama's alleged strategy of flooding the caucuses with ineligible voters, I wonder what other dirty tricks they may have employed to insure they had an opposing candidate worse than theirs.

    People say the establishment hates Trump, yet ignore how much airtime/column space he was given and chalk it up to Trump being a master manipulator. That appears to be wishful thinking to me. The establishment hated Paul, how much airtime did they give him?

    And then we have the question of how TeamClinton knew Trump was running two months before he announced? Maybe the Russians told her?
    Last edited by ronpaulhawaii; 10-24-2016 at 09:22 AM.
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    What others do pales beside what YOU do.

    Press on! - The r3VOLution continues...

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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulhawaii View Post
    And then we have the question of how TeamClinton knew Trump was running two months before he announced? Maybe the Russians told her?
    No, they said early on that he personally called Hillary and Bill (ya know because they are friends) and told them he was running well before he announced.

  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    No, they said early on that he personally called Hillary and Bill (ya know because they are friends) and told them he was running well before he announced.
    Sorry but, "Clinton’s personal office in New York confirmed that the call occurred in late May," and the email was from April.

    Don't let others get you down. Not naysayers, not pretenders, not appeasers, not opportunists; none of em.

    What others do pales beside what YOU do.

    Press on! - The r3VOLution continues...

    "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."

    ~ C.Coolidge

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulhawaii View Post
    It's amusing seeing people who regularly post outright lies/out of context snips complain about unfortunate words that have come out of their candidate's mouth.
    Actually, the vast majority of that has come from the nevertrumpers.

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulhawaii View Post
    Thought you might appreciate this one...
    I heard it. I watched the whole thing. Did you? If you did, you'd know you were taking it out of context.
    Last edited by LibertyEagle; 10-24-2016 at 09:46 AM.
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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Actually, the vast majority of that has come from the nevertrumpers.
    You obviously travel in different circles than I, but it is rich seeing a person who continually posts out of context jabs, with fallacious emotional appeals, complaining.

    I heard it. I watched the whole thing. Did you? If you did, you'd know you were taking it out of context.
    What context is that? It was a boilerplate wrap up.

    I just found it amusing that he added a Globalist dimension in front of his crony pals that goes against the hyped "ANTI-GLOBALIST" narrative pushed by his fanbase.
    Don't let others get you down. Not naysayers, not pretenders, not appeasers, not opportunists; none of em.

    What others do pales beside what YOU do.

    Press on! - The r3VOLution continues...

    "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."

    ~ C.Coolidge

  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulhawaii View Post
    You obviously travel in different circles than I, but it is rich seeing a person who continually posts out of context jabs, with fallacious emotional appeals, complaining.

    What context is that? It was a boilerplate wrap up.

    I just found it amusing that he added a Globalist dimension in front of his crony pals that goes against the hyped "ANTI-GLOBALIST" narrative pushed by his fanbase.
    Try listening to the whole thing instead of "post[ing] out of context jabs" or yet another "fallacious emotional appeal".
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  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Try listening to the whole thing instead of "post[ing] out of context jabs" or yet another "fallacious emotional appeal".
    What makes you think I haven't listened to the whole thing? I can see why Trump supporters love it, I learned more from looking at the faces holistically...
    Don't let others get you down. Not naysayers, not pretenders, not appeasers, not opportunists; none of em.

    What others do pales beside what YOU do.

    Press on! - The r3VOLution continues...

    "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."

    ~ C.Coolidge

  10. #68
    Painting Trump as a plant is just part of the MSN smear campaign.

  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    Painting Trump as a plant is just part of the MSN smear campaign.
    It's amazing to me how some of y'all have been here and involved in politics since 2008 or earlier and still don't get how this works. After witnessing how the media and establishment treated Ron and his supporters how can anyone possibly think Trump wasn't intentionally set up to usher in Clinton???


    Can any of you explain why Ron and Trump were treated polar oppositely by the media, without resorting to ad hominem and strawmen, if they are are/were both such anti-establishment threats?
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Here are the facts.
    Here are the answers, with better facts:

    1) Trump threw the first debate. Anyone who thinks Trump won the first debate is delusional. Even uber Trump supporter Michael Savage admits Trump lost the first debate.
    Trump won the first debate, according to about EVERY poll immediately held after the debate, including some run on liberal sites. The main object in a modern Presidential debate is to present as presidential, not wonkishly on top of everything. Trump lost the AFTER debate spin war, when the MSM bullhorned on and on the narrative that Hillary won on wonk debate points.

    2) Trump is the only GOP candidate that did not have the character and temperament to attack Clinton on character and temperament.
    Trump is accused of such defects mainly because he has not been PC, while Hillary is accused of such defects mainly because she has committed endless felonies. There is no comparison. Actually, by running as a counter-puncher, Trump has used his supposed flaws as a lure to get team Clinton to draw first blood on "character," after which he was tactically positioned to go after her far worse situation. If a more "pristine" candidate had run against her, Clinton would not have raised the character issue first, so if he brought it up he would have been instantly "Lazioed" and decried for running down and victimizing poor Hillary.

    3) The Clintons asked Trump to run.
    Trump was going to run from the time Obarry belittled him over raising the BC issue. Trump led on the Clintons that he would be running one way (to lose, i.e. to just raise his issues), then ran the other way (to win).

    4) Trump donated to Rham Emanuel this election cycle.
    This was part of Trump setting up the Clintons and the establishment, prior to running against them both.

    5) Trump has been mum on the Clinton groping video.
    Trump has been non-mum on most other aspects of "Slick is a sex assaulter, Hillary is his enabler" attack meme. The video is already out there, and simply re-heats a cake that has already been baked. And he already said he preferred not to get into the issue at the first debate, and went there in the second debate only in response to the hot-mic video. He preferred to incorporate the sex-predator topic into his counter-punching strategy.

    6) Trump missed a golden opportunity to bury Clinton in the third debate. All he had to say was "I agree with you Chris (Wallace). Hillary's plan for a no fly zone over Syria is asking for war with Russia. The American people don't want another war and especially not a war with a nuclear armed power. Instead of trying confrontation with Russia we should seek cooperation against ISIS. Obama didn't start bombing ISIS until Russia did." Instead he rambled on about Russia seizing territory in the cease fire
    His answer could have been better on the merits, as your suggested language shows. Trump's main object, though, was to present a less interventionist position in a Jacksonian "peace through strength" posture, which meant for him to sound tough on Russia's actions in this instance, without getting into escalating the confrontation via policy decisions (no fly zones). It's the equivalent of Rand's "empty gesture" tactics to project strength in foreign policy, just clumsier in execution.

    7) Clinton knew about all the dirt she had on Trump during the primaries. And the MSM didn't dump on Trump on obvious flaws like his dubious claim that he was against the Iraq war from the beginning. Hell, that was openly discussed here long before it became a debate tactic.

    Trump seriously is a weak candidate. Everybody but the hardest core Trump supporters understands this. And if Trump gets spanked on election day the hard core Trumpskiites will say "See? That just proves voter fraud!" If Trump was a decent candidate he would be beating Hillary so bad that fraud wouldn't matter.
    He remains a strong candidate, especially given the way he has withstood the galactic level onslaught raised against him, which his hardest core detractors refuse to understand. We already have the evidence on hand of election fraud, the big question is whether it will be enough to overcome the real vote, or whether this will be a repeat of Brexit election, where the people came out in too large a number for the elite to finesse the outcome. We'll see. My prediction stands---Trump over Hillary by about 5 million+ votes, and roughly 289 electoral votes.
    Last edited by Peace&Freedom; 10-25-2016 at 06:41 PM.
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  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    Painting Trump as a plant is just part of the MSN smear campaign.
    Making this solely about the unproven Trump conspiracy aspect and ignoring the proven TeamClinton conspiracy aspect is just a part of a Trump Train Distraction Campaign...
    Don't let others get you down. Not naysayers, not pretenders, not appeasers, not opportunists; none of em.

    What others do pales beside what YOU do.

    Press on! - The r3VOLution continues...

    "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."

    ~ C.Coolidge

  14. #72
    So the best spin you guys can come up with is yes Trump is a conman, but he is a conman for us- he is conning the shadow government not us? I will believe Trump conned the shadow government when he is dead on the bottom of the ocean next to Bin Laden.



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  16. #73
    Insiders knew Trump was going to run many years ago. He keynoted the NCGOP 2012 convention dinner. It's a script that is set up years in advance. And it works because the sheeple are compliant and react predictably every cycle, making it all too easy to pull off.

    One of the Wiki emails details how Kaine was told in 2015 that he was to be Clinton's VP.
    https://pjmedia.com/election/2016/10...-july-of-2015/
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  17. #74
    I guffawed at the first point of the rebuttal

    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    Here are the answers, with better facts:

    Trump won the first debate, according to about EVERY poll immediately held after the debate, including some run on liberal sites. The main object in a modern Presidential debate is to present as residential, not wonkishly on top of everything. Trump lost the AFTER debate spin war, when the MSM bullhorned on and on the narrative that Hillary won on wonk debate points.
    Seriously? You are using this as a talking point? It is well known that 4Chan and Co. dominated those polls, and it ain't like we haven't seen them do it before. Remember the March Madness polling, when RomneyBots were caught using bots, and 4chan helped counter? Here is a screengrab of the graph
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    Hard to take the rest of the rebuttal seriously after that.

    Last edited by ronpaulhawaii; 10-24-2016 at 12:00 PM.
    Don't let others get you down. Not naysayers, not pretenders, not appeasers, not opportunists; none of em.

    What others do pales beside what YOU do.

    Press on! - The r3VOLution continues...

    "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."

    ~ C.Coolidge

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    Painting Trump as a plant is just part of the MSN smear campaign.
    Are you suggesting that the Clinton administration sent each other these emails two months before he announced that he was running knowing that they would later be hacked and the emails released in order to generate an October surprise 18 months later?

    That's a level of premonition and/or conspiracy bordering on wizardry.

  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    It's amazing to me how some of y'all have been here and involved in politics since 2008 or earlier and still don't get how this works. After witnessing how the media and establishment treated Ron and his supporters how can anyone possibly think Trump wasn't intentionally set up to usher in Clinton???


    Can any of you explain why Ron and Trump were treated polar oppositely by the media, without resorting to ad hominem and strawmen, if they are are/were both such anti-establishment threats?
    It's been explained, you just ignored it. By 2015, the establishment had marginalizing Paul or liberty candidates down to a science, it was going to happen with or without Trump in the race. They knew Rand was more dependent on them for airtime and visibility, and was not able to engage and build a winning or authentic voter coalition, thus could be blacked out just like Ron was. What they didn't know how to do was to block out or discredit a guy with enough money and built-in positive branding in the culture to thrive with or with out them, and who was able to engage and build a winning, authentic voter coalition.

    How could Trump be the candidate of the establishment, given that 19 out of 20 billionaires are not supporting him? When was the last time the Washington Post hired 28 extra writers to report dirt on an establishment candidate? How come the tens of thousands of Wikileaks disclosures speak to and overwhelmingly document establishment-wide collusion to get Hillary elected, but not establishment-wide collusion to support Trump?

    Why do populist, anti-establishment figures abroad like Farage or Le Pen see nothing fraudulent about Trump, but look upon him as a peer? Why are 96% of donations from mainstream journalists going to Hillary, but not Trump, if he was establishment? Why did the RNC spend $42 million for Romney at this time four years ago, but zilch to Trump so far this year, if he was establishment. There are 4 other particulars I could add, but I'll stop here.
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  20. #77
    Wow. This thread just goes to show how easy it is to manipulate Trump supporters.

    They're doing it to you. They're telling you they're doing it to you. Their actions are demonstrating it to you. And still, you refuse to see what is going on. You've bought the con and that's it. Period. No amount of evidence is going to sway you.

    Amazing.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    It's been explained, you just ignored it. By 2015, the establishment had marginalizing Paul or liberty candidates down to a science, it was going to happen with or without Trump in the race. They knew Rand was more dependent on them for airtime and visibility, and was not able to engage and build a winning or authentic voter coalition, thus could be blacked out just like Ron was. What they didn't know how to do was to block out or discredit a guy with enough money and built-in positive branding in the culture to thrive with or with out them, and who was able to engage and build a winning, authentic voter coalition.

    How could Trump be the candidate of the establishment, given that 19 out of 20 billionaires are not supporting him? When was the last time the Washington Post hired 28 extra writers to report dirt on an establishment candidate? How come the tens of thousands of Wikileaks disclosures speak to and overwhelmingly document establishment-wide collusion to get Hillary elected, but not establishment-wide collusion to support Trump?

    Why do populist, anti-establishment figures abroad like Farage or Le Pen see nothing fraudulent about Trump, but look upon him as a peer? Why are 96% of donations from mainstream journalists going to Hillary, but not Trump, if he was establishment? Why did the RNC spend $42 million for Romney at this time four years ago, but zilch to Trump so far this year, if he was establishment. There are 4 other particulars I could add, but I'll stop here.
    I'm thinking it is you that is doing the ignoring. I clearly said RON, not Rand.

    "It's amazing to me how some of y'all have been here and involved in politics since 2008 or earlier and still don't get how this works. After witnessing how the media and establishment treated Ron and his supporters how can anyone possibly think Trump wasn't intentionally set up to usher in Clinton???

    Can any of you explain why Ron and Trump were treated polar oppositely by the media, without resorting to ad hominem and strawmen, if they are are/were both such anti-establishment threats?"

    Try again?
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    It's been explained, you just ignored it. By 2015, the establishment had marginalizing Paul or liberty candidates down to a science, it was going to happen with or without Trump in the race. They knew Rand was more dependent on them for airtime and visibility, and was not able to engage and build a winning or authentic voter coalition, thus could be blacked out just like Ron was. What they didn't know how to do was to block out or discredit a guy with enough money and built-in positive branding in the culture to thrive with or with out them, and who was able to engage and build a winning, authentic voter coalition.

    How could Trump be the candidate of the establishment, given that 19 out of 20 billionaires are not supporting him? When was the last time the Washington Post hired 28 extra writers to report dirt on an establishment candidate? How come the tens of thousands of Wikileaks disclosures speak to and overwhelmingly document establishment-wide collusion to get Hillary elected, but not establishment-wide collusion to support Trump?

    Why do populist, anti-establishment figures abroad like Farage or Le Pen see nothing fraudulent about Trump, but look upon him as a peer? Why are 96% of donations from mainstream journalists going to Hillary, but not Trump, if he was establishment? Why did the RNC spend $42 million for Romney at this time four years ago, but zilch to Trump so far this year, if he was establishment. There are 4 other particulars I could add, but I'll stop here.
    Hmmm... Maybe because the elite saw Hillary as the chosen one, regardless of who the GOP nominee would be?

    If he loses, the question that will remain is whether he was in on the Pied Piper conspiracy, or just a useful idiot?
    Don't let others get you down. Not naysayers, not pretenders, not appeasers, not opportunists; none of em.

    What others do pales beside what YOU do.

    Press on! - The r3VOLution continues...

    "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."

    ~ C.Coolidge

  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Insiders knew Trump was going to run many years ago. He keynoted the NCGOP 2012 convention dinner. It's a script that is set up years in advance. And it works because the sheeple are compliant and react predictably every cycle, making it all too easy to pull off.

    One of the Wiki emails details how Kaine was told in 2015 that he was to be Clinton's VP.
    https://pjmedia.com/election/2016/10...-july-of-2015/
    Kaine knew even prior to this, as he was DNC chair before Schultz came in after 2008. The deal between O/Hill was for Schulz to hold the party apparatus in place Hillary to win the nomination in 2016 no matter what, and Kaine would be rewarded for stepping down by getting the VP spot or a top cabinet post. The 2015 notice was just a re-confirmation to him that the deal would be honored.

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulhawaii View Post
    Seriously? You are using this as a talking point? It is well known that 4Chan and Co. dominated those polls, and it ain't like we haven't seen them do it before. Remember the March Madness polling, when RomneyBots were caught using bots, and 4chan helped counter? Here is a screengrab of the graph

    Hard to take the rest of the rebuttal seriously after that.
    You mean, you are using a false canard to disregard a true point. Even without the 4chan activity, there was enough preponderant consensus across the dozens of different sites, representing local as well as national organizations and media that ran polls to confirm that the public thought Trump won, prior to the pro-Hillary after debate spin narrative taking hold. On social media in real time during and just after the debate, the consensus was also that Trump won, making the 4chan bot issue moot. The point stands.

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulhawaii View Post
    Hmmm... Maybe because the elite saw Hillary as the chosen one, regardless of who the GOP nominee would be?

    If he loses, the question that will remain is whether he was in on the Pied Piper conspiracy, or just a useful idiot?
    Hmm, or maybe (if he loses) the lesson will be he was a strong, brilliant candidate, and not in on the plot, but even if the GOP candidate had been Jesus Christ, he could not have been elected in a media and establishment-wide rigged game set-up to give us Hillary.
    Last edited by Peace&Freedom; 10-24-2016 at 12:25 PM.
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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    How could Trump be the candidate of the establishment, given that 19 out of 20 billionaires are not supporting him?
    He wasn't their candidate to win - just to ensure Hillary wins. But yeah, go ahead and ignore the billions in free ads.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    When was the last time the Washington Post hired 28 extra writers to report dirt on an establishment candidate?
    Yep. He's definitely paid back his special interests!

    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    How come the tens of thousands of Wikileaks disclosures speak to and overwhelmingly document establishment-wide collusion to get Hillary elected, but not establishment-wide collusion to support Trump?
    How come every time something comes out that could end her campaign, Trump says or does something to divert the narrative? Just stupidity? I thought your guy was a genius.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    Why are 96% of donations from mainstream journalists going to Hillary, but not Trump, if he was establishment?
    Why give him money to pay for ads when you give him ad space for free?! You don't have to put it on the books that way. (besides, they don't actually want him to win. They want him to lose for Hillary.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    Why did the RNC spend $42 million for Romney at this time four years ago, but zilch to Trump so far this year, if he was establishment.
    The RNC knows he's going to lose. They're trying to hedge their bets to maintain power down-ticket. You think "the establishment" speaks with one voice. They do not. They fight amongst themselves for power constantly. Trump more aligns with the interests of the left establishment more than the right establishment. But he is establishment. The unifying factor of "the establishment" is that they covet power above all else. You'll know a true anti-establishment candidate by his desire to cede government power back to the people. Sound like Trump?! Didn't think so.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Wow. This thread just goes to show how easy it is to manipulate Trump supporters.

    They're doing it to you. They're telling you they're doing it to you. Their actions are demonstrating it to you. And still, you refuse to see what is going on. You've bought the con and that's it. Period. No amount of evidence is going to sway you.

    Amazing.
    What worries me is the potential for some after election attempt on Clinton that would be blamed on Trump supporters and the right as a whole. There is a narrative being set up...even threads on RPF talking about how Trump's rhetoric originates from libertarians (utter bs), rigged election, violent Trumpers, etc. The elements for a future narrative are being implanted and they do not look good.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I'm thinking it is you that is doing the ignoring. I clearly said RON, not Rand.
    And I clearly said "Paul or liberty candidates," meaning I clearly intended to include both Pauls, or any other liberty contender who follows that issue only model. Keep up.
    -----Peace & Freedom, John Clifton-----
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  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    What worries me is the potential for some after election attempt on Clinton that would be blamed on Trump supporters and the right as a whole. There is a narrative being set up...even threads on RPF talking about how Trump's rhetoric originates from libertarians (utter bs), rigged election, violent Trumpers, etc. The elements for a future narrative are being implanted and they do not look good.
    Yeah, I'm hopeful that it won't be violent. But it will most certainly taint any valid complaints about the system. "Oh, you think the system is rigged??? What, are you a Trump guy, too? ha ha." "You think Hillary is corrupt?! Ha. You probably thought Trump would make a good President."

    Anything to place anyone making legitimate inquiries into the basket of deplorables.

    What Ron Paul started, Donald Trump destroyed.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    And I clearly said "Paul or liberty candidates," meaning I clearly intended to include both Pauls, or any other liberty contender who follows that issue only model. Keep up.
    Huh? You started your "reply" with 2015 and said that the media already honed their ability to marginalize Ron and supporters. My question was about comparing the media's treatment of Ron to media's treatment of Trump. If Trump were anti-establishment and the media had honed their marginalization of anti-establishment candidates then wouldn't logic dictate the media to use the same tactics against Trump as they did against Ron?

    BUT THEY DIDN'T. Polar opposite, in fact. Explain why. But you can't because the reason is obvious. Trump was set up to be the fall guy.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    The RNC knows he's going to lose. They're trying to hedge their bets to maintain power down-ticket. You think "the establishment" speaks with one voice. They do not. They fight amongst themselves for power constantly. Trump more aligns with the interests of the left establishment more than the right establishment. But he is establishment. The unifying factor of "the establishment" is that they covet power above all else. You'll know a true anti-establishment candidate by his desire to cede government power back to the people. Sound like Trump?! Didn't think so.
    You'll know a true anti-establishment candidate by his desire to support the anti-establishment side, and the support he has engendered by anti-establishment people, which Trump has. Your entire response to substance showing he is not establishment, is to re-assert the theory that he is establishment, based on characterizing the absence of tangible evidence as proof that they plotted it that way, and assuming the RNC assumes he will be losing.

    The conclusion you keep declaring requires God-like knowledge of what's really in the hearts of all those donors, media and party leaders, who you seem to be saying think that by not financing him or not supporting him, are therefore financing him or supporting him. As you have said elsewhere, amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Huh? You started your "reply" with 2015 and said that the media already honed their ability to marginalize Ron and supporters. My question was about comparing the media's treatment of Ron to media's treatment of Trump.
    I started the reply with "BY 2015," which means the blackout tactics worked on Paul style candidates before. Ron and Rand lacked certain dynamics for succeeding compared to Trump, above explained, which is why he was treated differently, and why he succeeded where the Pauls failed. The reason is, indeed, obvious---the media had a system for containing and stopping the Pauls, but not Trump and the outsiders, and the latter got by them, which ruined their real plan to set up Jeb as the fall guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    You'll know a true anti-establishment candidate by his desire to support the anti-establishment side, and the support he has engendered by anti-establishment people, which Trump has. Your entire response to substance showing he is not establishment, is to re-assert the theory that he is establishment, based on characterizing the absence of tangible evidence as proof that they plotted it that way, and assuming the RNC assumes he will be losing.

    The conclusion you keep declaring requires God-like knowledge of what's really in the hearts of all those donors, media and party leaders, who you seem to be saying think that by not financing him or not supporting him, are therefore financing him or supporting him. As you have said elsewhere, amazing.
    More Trump delusion... I can't help you.

    Please see Voltaire in my sig...
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    I started the reply with "BY 2015," which means the blackout tactics worked on Paul style candidates before. Ron and Rand lacked certain dynamics for succeeding compared to Trump, above explained, which is why he was treated differently, and why he succeeded where the Pauls failed. The reason is, indeed, obvious---the media had a system for containing and stopping the Pauls, but not Trump and the outsiders, and the latter got by them, which ruined their real plan to set up Jeb as the fall guy.
    Well I agree with Rand Paul -
    Paul: Trump getting 'a billion dollars of free advertising


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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Wow. This thread just goes to show how easy it is to manipulate Trump supporters.

    They're doing it to you. They're telling you they're doing it to you. Their actions are demonstrating it to you. And still, you refuse to see what is going on. You've bought the con and that's it. Period. No amount of evidence is going to sway you.

    Amazing.
    What is the con? he was set up to lose to Clinton? So we are going ot get Clinton anyway? Why go through the trouble of throwing Trump up there then? I mean honestly, Clinton would have roflstomped Cruz or rubio or $#@!ing Jeb. those guys were wooden, and would not be able to sell conservatism to America in any way. America is getting quite liberal.

    what have we bought, please explain?
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