No Way H is Gonna Lose - What This Means for Us

[TNforPaul45]

A bit of a rant/vent, but a political one.

We are all students of elections and politics. Can you remember a candidate for the White house who had a Major Party, all the Media, AND all the intelligence and power agencies of the government behind them? I really cannot think of anyone comparable to Hillary in this regard. I'm preaching to the choir here, but doesn't it feel like the fix is in? There's no way Hillary is gonna lose. She has waited 40 years for her turn, and the elites in power know that she is obedient and so desirous for power she will obey them in every whim. To me, feels like the whole earth is being turned in her favor. She has committed and been involved in one scummy activity after another, and still her support is not even flinched. All their cards are on the table. At the very least, we now know for certain who is aligned with, and controlled by, whom.

Now this is not to say that Trump is any better. God no and God help us.

So what does the "liberty movement" do now? If everyone else has spent a year exposing with concrete evidence the crimes that she's been involved in, and her support has not diminished (though her opposition has), how can our continued proselytizing for Freedom hope to accomplish as much or more? What will Trump supporters do? Will this election's outcome cause them so much vile repulse towards government that our message becomes more effective than ever?

Help me to see a brighter time ahead for the philosophy of liberty

[Tywysog Cymru]

This is what we do:

Prepare candidates for the 2018 midterm elections. It is very likely that the Democrats suffer spectacularly after two years of Hillary's Presidency. Let's make sure the right Republicans benefit.

[TheTexan]

This is what we do:

Prepare candidates for the 2018 midterm elections. It is very likely that the Democrats suffer spectacularly after two years of Hillary's Presidency. Let's make sure the right Republicans benefit.

Yes, lets prepare to vote really hard in 2018

+rep

[Champ]

The establishment and the media played their hand in such a desperate way and let us see they had multiple aces up both sleeves during the game in order to assure victory. Not wise. The gig is up and people are more aware than ever to the lengths which government will go to continue giving itself power.

It may feel like we have lost in 2016, they did everything in their power to destroy any chance Rand had at a nomination or letting liberty prevail in some sense. Going forward we now have many more people that have been awakened in addition to the Ron Paul supporters and to the liberty movement.

Both Bernie Sanders and Trump supporters saw everything that happened and they are not happy about it. I suppose liberty purists could care less about this fact, but the number of people opposing the current paradigm of government has grown substantially. These new people may not be for liberty at all times or as much as we would like, but they are certainly against government corruption and party politic nonsense more now than ever before. Millions more of these people are now awake.

I have relatives that have been lifelong Democrats that will no longer be voting for Dems or Repups ever again. I've talked to plenty of friends, acquaintances, and strangers and many of them are either supporting 3rd party people for the first time in their life this election or are not voting at all. I didn't think that was a possibility this quickly but thanks to this election, it now is. The damage to the establishment is a lot greater than it may at first appear and the blowback to the exposed corruption is going to make for some heated and intense times coming ahead.

[tod evans]

The damage to the establishment is a lot greater than it may at first appear and the blowback to the exposed corruption is going to make for some heated and intense times coming ahead.

If I were to gauge the sentiment here in the Ozarks there'll be quite the uproar if Hitlery exceeds 20%.......

There's not one dem sign displayed in my county.

[alucard13mm]

What it means is social justice warriors will be empowered and will be around for long term to make our lives horrible for voicing unpopular opinions... getting screwed for saying something opposes their views. More race baiting and most definitely the gender wars will reach a new level. People thought race relations would be fabulous after electing the first black president.. People will think they will feel all goody about electing the first female president, but in reality it will cause huge disorder and gender issues. The destruction of the family unit.

I also noticed Yahoo (yes.. i use yahoo email still) took off the thumbs down and thumbs up system and replaced it with just a LIKE (heart) button. lol. I think pro-Hillary comments almost always get a lot of thumbs down and yahoo had to get rid of it.

All I am saying that if you say something someone else doesn't like... prepare to get screwed over for the next 8 years.

[Champ]

If I were to gauge the sentiment here in the Ozarks there'll be quite the uproar if Hitlery exceeds 20%.......

There's not one dem sign displayed in my county.

Same thing here. Have yet to see a single Trump or Clinton sign but huge amounts of Gary Johnson signs everywhere. There is an epically large GJ sign right at our freeway exit. Surprising and hopeful to say the least as far as non-establishment representation is concerned.

[CaseyJones]

This is what we do:

Prepare candidates for the 2018 midterm elections. It is very likely that the Democrats suffer spectacularly after two years of Hillary's Presidency. Let's make sure the right Republicans benefit.

this
but also have some run as dems to
reps may still have majority
and the dems will be desperate to fix that

[Tywysog Cymru]

this
but also have some run as dems to
reps may still have majority
and the dems will be desperate to fix that

How would someone who is pro-liberty win a Democrat primary for anything beyond judge executive in some Eastern Kentucky county without lying?

[CaseyJones]

How would someone who is pro-liberty win a Democrat primary for anything beyond judge executive in some Eastern Kentucky county without lying?

privacy
food freedom
cannabis
they will be desperate
just avoid econ
though an audit of the fed may pass

[AZJoe]

No Way H is Gonna Lose - What This Means for Us

With the elite behind her, the MSM media acting as her PR, the neocons in her allegiance, all the DNC and half the Republican elite supporting her, 2 or 3 Hitlaryites added to the Supreme Court, the Kagans and Nuland running foreign policy, ....

It means this under the best of circumstances :



And it means this if Hillary is not restrained :

[Tywysog Cymru]

privacy
food freedom
cannabis
they will be desperate
just avoid econ
though an audit of the fed may pass

I don't think that's possible for a national office. Maybe for state rep, maybe.

[CaseyJones]

well we would want to start em at state or local

[cindy25]

This is what we do:

Prepare candidates for the 2018 midterm elections. It is very likely that the Democrats suffer spectacularly after two years of Hillary's Presidency. Let's make sure the right Republicans benefit.

things won't fall apart that fast, look at Venezuela, it took years before the economy really tanked, and Chavez was still popular until he died. also, its likely this is the last 2 party election. could easily be 5, a Liberty party, a Trumpian party, and a socialist party

[Tywysog Cymru]

things won't fall apart that fast, look at Venezuela, it took years before the economy really tanked, and Chavez was still popular until he died. also, its likely this is the last 2 party election. could easily be 5, a Liberty party, a Trumpian party, and a socialist party

Hillary isn't popular though.

[CaseyJones]

god dammit can we just pick one person and get them elected to office
we have done it
we can do it
lets do it again

[euphemia]

can we just pick one person and get them elected to office

I'm not sure how many years I have been saying we need to pick the top five or six issues on which we can agree, but I get shouted down every time. Gary Johnson is not someone I will ever vote for. I just can't.

[Anti Federalist]

Help me to see a brighter time ahead for the philosophy of liberty

Sorry brother.

That's comes from a different quarter, by different messengers, than me.

[tod evans]

god dammit can we just pick one person and get them elected to office
we have done it
we can do it
lets do it again

It'd be wonderful if there were one actually worthy of support......

[jmdrake]

Simple.

RAND PAUL 2020 BABY!

We've had the neocons run twice and an "the antipaul" (Donald Trump) run once and they've all failed. In 2020 people will finally be ready for the real deal. No longer will ratpuiblicans be able to say "We can't support Rand Paul because he and his dad were against the Iraq war" after supporting this assclown Trump who ran on being against the Iraq war only to get his halfhearted "Yeah...I guess so" shoved down his throat by the media, the moderators and Hillary Clinton.

Seriously, this election proves that winning the general election and being uber popular among rank and file republicans is not one in the same thing. Maybe next time people will actually look at the candidate who's leading against Hillary (Rand Paul) rather than the candidate to tickles the ear of the teocons the most.

[otherone]

Clinton will be under a microscope; possibly more than any other potus. Her dirty laundry isn't going away, despite the media. Dragged into the light of the day will be government corruption, that no reasonable person can deny (except maybe Zippy).

[alucard13mm]

Simple.

RAND PAUL 2020 BABY!

The problem is THEY will run candidates that will siphon votes from Rand again. Cruz siphoned evangelical and tea party. Trump siphoned voters that thought he is anti establishment. Sanders was there to take the young votes.... the same young votes Ron tried so hard to educate the previous 2 elections.

I guess im a bit pragmatic and pessimistic about life these days. I bet they have plans to screw us again already lol. To counter us in 2020, 2024 and etc etc.

[fisharmor]

I'm not sure how many years I have been saying we need to pick the top five or six issues on which we can agree, but I get shouted down every time. Gary Johnson is not someone I will ever vote for. I just can't.

No way. I am totally with you.

I think picking 5 is the trick. They would have to include at least one issue Rand won't touch.

1. End all wars, including the one on drugs.
2. Cut federal funding and staffing by half.
3. Repeal the 16th Amendment.
4. Repeal the 17th Amendment.
5. Comprehensive review of every single federal activity and move anything not specifically sanctioned by the constitution to the state level.


The problem is finding someone who will say that out loud.

Well, someone not in his eighties.

[CaseyJones]

It'd be wonderful if there were one actually worthy of support......

ya we are not gonna find them
we gotta make them
pick some people from the movement
start em local
see which catch
raise em up

[tod evans]

No way. I am totally with you.

I think picking 5 is the trick. They would have to include at least one issue Rand won't touch.

1. End all wars, including the one on drugs.
2. Cut federal funding and staffing by half.
3. Repeal the 16th Amendment.
4. Repeal the 17th Amendment.
5. Comprehensive review of every single federal activity and move anything not specifically sanctioned by the constitution to the state level.


The problem is finding someone who will say that out loud.

Well, someone not in his eighties.

Throw in the 14th and I'll sign on.

[juleswin]

Throw in the 14th and I'll sign on.

So the 14th amendment in place of what item in his top 5?

[jmdrake]

The problem is THEY will run candidates that will siphon votes from Rand again. Cruz siphoned evangelical and tea party. Trump siphoned voters that thought he is anti establishment. Sanders was there to take the young votes.... the same young votes Ron tried so hard to educate the previous 2 elections.

I guess im a bit pragmatic and pessimistic about life these days. I bet they have plans to screw us again already lol. To counter us in 2020, 2024 and etc etc.

Yeah....but now we know their playbook too. Trump should have been taken down hard early by repeatedly pointing out his long friendship with the Clintons. He won't be a factor again and nor will anyone else who's only positive attribute is that he is contrarian. If Hillary wins then nobody will dare run against her on the left which means there will be no Sanders factor and I don't see anyone on the right who can possibly contest Rand for the youth vote. That leaves Cruz and the teocons. If we can pull enough of the crowd that got excited by Sanders, and who will hate Hillary, that can offset the Cruz teocon pull. What Rand can't afford to do is to attack Cruz for attacking Mitch McConnell. Seriously Rand can not ever again come to the defense of any RINO if he hopes to win the nomination. The other thing Rand must do is be more specific about defense spending. He got hammered by Rubio and Cruz on that issue. He could have shut them both up by pointing out that the A10 warthog is a better plane for the anti tank mission that has been assigned the over priced and problematic F35 Joint Strike Fighter and that killing the F35 would itself pay for the upgrades Rubio wants to the military.

[tod evans]

So the 14th amendment in place of what item in his top 5?

In addition to, not in place of...

Or if one is set on only five items simply state "Repeal all amendments subsequent to the 13th."

[TheTexan]

In addition to, not in place of...

Or if one is set on only five items simply state "Repeal all amendments subsequent to the 13th."

Racist.

[Brian4Liberty]

With the elite behind her, the MSM media acting as her PR, the neocons in her allegiance, all the DNC and half the Republican elite supporting her, 2 or 3 Hitlaryites added to the Supreme Court, the Kagans and Nuland running foreign policy, ....

Exactly. What people often fail to realize is that Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell will be working with Hillary. There will be no opposition to her, except for the Liberty caucus, and they will be under siege the entire time.