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    Trump Conversion Story

    What are your gut feelings from reading this please.

    Finally on the Trump Train after watching Al Smith dinner video

    Pardon me, /r/The_Donald,

    I'm 32 and this is the first election in my adult life where I've been on the fence (voted Kerry in 2004 and Obama in 2008 and 2012) and have spent a great deal of time learning about the Republican candidate. I came across Scott Adams' blogs about Trump and became fascinated by his persuasive powers and convinced the media were intentionally misinterpreting his statements and shilling for Hillary. I "tried on" defending some Trump positions (specifically his less aggressive foreign policy) on social media a few months ago and was shocked to be called a racist by two of my closest black friends who know for a fact that I am not - just for defending his less aggressive foreign policy. That was when I really started to see that Adams was right - these candidates had "word-thinkers" hypnotized. At least with Trump, I understood exactly how and why he was doing so. He talks about it in The Art of the Deal and has openly done it throughout his career, and Adams explains the psychology of it. Trump is like Morpheus - himself redpilled, he offers you the choice of taking the red pill or the blue pill. You can take the blue pill and buy into conventional thought and interpret his statements literally or you can take the red pill, understand persuasion and see how he moves the pieces on the chessboard, and then acquire the ability to do so yourself. Hillary & co., on the other hand, have people convinced her opponent is the next Hitler or Mussolini and they pretend they're super serious. Hillary & co. are like the machines - they need to use people and want to keep them blue pilled.

    Anyway, I was still on the fence due to my blue pill conditioning until last night, when I witnessed Trump make an audience of New York elites comfortable, then very uncomfortable, and found myself laughing my ass off at them and admiring Trump for giving no $#@!s. I realized these were his people and he was abandoning them for regular everyday Americans. The elites want Hillary because they know she will maintain and enhance their power, and because they're cucks who feel bad about their wealth and power. They hate Trump because he's a threat to them. Though I can't claim to know all he would do in office, Trump may be the only real chance we have at large-scale change via the presidency in our lifetimes.

    So I'm on the Trump Train. He's got my vote. I'm also going to study his methods of persuasion to acquire wealth, influence and pussy, none of which I - as a lifetime "cuck" (still don't like this term, as it makes me think of gross porn) - have been able to see much of.



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    I think he should read Scott Adams' more recent articles explaining how Clinton has won the election.
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    Wealth, influence, and pussy are nice side benefits, but I never considered them life goals. Guess we're all different.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sister Miriam Godwinson View Post
    We Must Dissent.

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    FYI: There is currently no link to the source.

    What do I think?
    No one here wanted to be the Billionaire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    What are your gut feelings from reading this please.
    My gut feeling is that although he may be 32, he's mentally 12.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    My gut feeling is that although he may be 32, he's mentally 12.
    Most people are mentally 12 when it comes to politics.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sister Miriam Godwinson View Post
    We Must Dissent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikender View Post
    Most people are mentally 12 when it comes to politics.
    Judging by the last paragraph, his immaturity appears to extend to all portions of his life.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    I think he should read Scott Adams' more recent articles explaining how Clinton has won the election.
    He said, "IF" mainstream media polls are accurate..
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    He said, "IF" mainstream media polls are accurate..
    I love you guys - all of you. I really, really do. But in 2007 we refused to believe the polls. Even McCain was worried about the Ron Paul wild card. What happened?


    Almost exactly what the polls predicted.

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    Gut feeling?

    I think we have seen the mind of the "mark" in progress. Doing whatever is necessary to bend his mind to accept something that seems pleasing to him is reality. If this guy had truly read and understood The Art of the Deal, he'd notice that his fantasies were being manipulated. Nearly everything he states as fact in his "conversion" is false.

    Dude needs to stop watching TV and movies and get out once in a while.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I love you guys - all of you. I really, really do. But in 2007 we refused to believe the polls. Even McCain was worried about the Ron Paul wild card. What happened?


    Almost exactly what the polls predicted.
    Perception creates reality - I knew a lot of people who wouldn't vote for Ron Paul simply because his poll numbers were too low, he couldn't win - more people than I knew who were voting for him. Also there was the potential for vote fraud with the electronic voting machines to marginalize him. If you don't think there is a strong concerted effort to marginalize real small government peace candidates, then you aren't paying attention to what is going on. With all the info we have from wikileaks now there is no excuse. We know they rig the polls, we know they rig the elections, we know the media is literally directed by the left, we know the dems send agitators to Trump events to create violence and make him look bad. We know it is a multi-pronged attack coming from every direction.

    The rest of this post is not directed at you in particular.

    Trump is coming off as the anti-establishment candidate. Even a peace candidate, in comparison. If you think that Trump is actually an establishment candidate, but he is pretending to be anti-establishment for some strategic goal that I can't even fathom then you are a much bigger conspiracy theorist than I am. I'm not saying it's impossible, but the media gives more than 20 times the amount to Hillary's campaign than Trump's. A good portion of the establishment is going to Hillary, no matter what party. Anti-establishment Green Party candidate Jill Stein even recognizes that Trump is better than Hillary and urges her supporters to vote Trump if they don't vote for her.

    This is a free, open forum. If you think Trump is an establishment plant, I'm all ears, but I haven't seen any convincing evidence yet. I totally understand the anti-Trump people's sentiments, he is far from perfect on the liberty front - but he is miles ahead of Hillary in his rhetoric. This isn't like the last two elections where we had two establishment candidates who were both going to be puppets and were both just as bad, this time there is a candidate who is perceivably an enemy of the establishment, his foreign policy is more peaceful, his economic plans more conservative and he claims he wants to put in Supreme Court justices who will protect the 2nd amendment and follow the Constitution as it was written.
    Last edited by dannno; 10-21-2016 at 01:36 PM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Asian family here in California. Dad is a life long democrat in California. Voted for Bill Clinton. He also voted for Hillary Clinton when against Obama. He's been asking me who I am voting for.. and that "its for Trump right"? While my mom, being a more old school asian, seem to be voting for Hillary because Hillary is a woman and that Trump is embarassing. While my sister was for Bernie... who knows who she is going to vote for now.

    Even if there is a secret mass of Trump voters, not enough to win electorals imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I love you guys - all of you. I really, really do. But in 2007 we refused to believe the polls. Even McCain was worried about the Ron Paul wild card. What happened?

    Almost exactly what the polls predicted.
    Hell, if you believe him at face value (I do) then even Randal got suckered into not believing the polls this last go around. And when they turned out accurate he quit campaigning. I doubt you'll ever see Randal pushing that theory ever again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Hell, if you believe him at face value (I do) then even Randal got suckered into not believing the polls this last go around. And when they turned out accurate he quit campaigning. I doubt you'll ever see Randal pushing that theory ever again.
    He did that because the MSM was dropping articles saying he should drop out every day, there were online schills in here saying that they should vote for Trump because he's anti establishment and were trying to push us to reach out to the campaign and tell him to change his immigration platform to match Trumps. Even when Trump said Rand shouldn't be in the debate because of his polling, and that was when polling was when only some polls showed Rand low while most of the mainstream polls showed him in the middle of the pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TheCount again.


    For his amazing powers of projection?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    If you think that Trump is actually an establishment candidate, but he is pretending to be anti-establishment for some strategic goal that I can't even fathom then you are a much bigger conspiracy theorist than I am. I'm not saying it's impossible, but the media gives more than 20 times the amount to Hillary's campaign than Trump's.
    Come on, Danno, you can't seriously believe this. Political donations are used in several ways, but one of the most expensive ways is to buy media ads. So, while the media is making their political donations to Hillary on the books, they are giving HUGE sums of money to Donald free of charge in the way of airtime and print. They did it all through the primary to boost him. Even Podesta said as much in one of the Wikileaks docs.

    In fact, if the media had to declare the amount of "money" that they donated to Trump's campaign, they'd be listed as the biggest special interest group in the country! They ensured he was the GOP nominee to split/damage the party to make sure Hillary would have a sure path.

    Now, I'm not sure if Trump was a plant, or if he's just their useful idiot. At times, it seems like a little of both. Whenever some new damaging info on Hillary comes out, he's always there to redirect the public's attention. He's certainly not a liberty candidate and he's most definitely part of the establishment that craves power above all else. He's played that game his entire life. Now, that doesn't mean he's playing for the GOP establishment or the DEM establishment, but we should all know that the D and R don't really matter anymore. They are one. And Trump is part of them.

    Finally, this guy is playing a part and will say exactly what he thinks you want to hear. Do you really think he cares about the Constitution in any way? Do you really think he's had a revelation on private property rights, abortion, foreign interventions, trade, universal health care, or any other major issue?! Because if so, it has only been since he began eyeing the Presidency using the Republican party. If you're falling for his con because of his current rhetoric instead of evidence, then we can't help you. While his rhetoric on some things may be better than Hillary, they will BOTH turn their backs on their rhetoric in a heartbeat if it suits their current interests.

    Sorry to burst your hope bubble, but this election is lost. And it was lost as soon as people starting falling for the con job. You're asking for "convincing evidence" but you can't allow yourself to objectively perceive this evidence. People believe what they want to believe.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Come on, Danno, you can't seriously believe this. Political donations are used in several ways, but one of the most expensive ways is to buy media ads. So, while the media is making their political donations to Hillary on the books, they are giving HUGE sums of money to Donald free of charge in the way of airtime and print. They did it all through the primary to boost him. Even Podesta said as much in one of the Wikileaks docs.

    In fact, if the media had to declare the amount of "money" that they donated to Trump's campaign, they'd be listed as the biggest special interest group in the country! They ensured he was the GOP nominee to split/damage the party to make sure Hillary would have a sure path.

    Now, I'm not sure if Trump was a plant, or if he's just their useful idiot. At times, it seems like a little of both. Whenever some new damaging info on Hillary comes out, he's always there to redirect the public's attention. He's certainly not a liberty candidate and he's most definitely part of the establishment that craves power above all else. He's played that game his entire life. Now, that doesn't mean he's playing for the GOP establishment or the DEM establishment, but we should all know that the D and R don't really matter anymore. They are one. And Trump is part of them.

    Finally, this guy is playing a part and will say exactly what he thinks you want to hear. Do you really think he cares about the Constitution in any way? Do you really think he's had a revelation on private property rights, abortion, foreign interventions, trade, universal health care, or any other major issue?! Because if so, it has only been since he began eyeing the Presidency using the Republican party. If you're falling for his con because of his current rhetoric instead of evidence, then we can't help you. While his rhetoric on some things may be better than Hillary, they will BOTH turn their backs on their rhetoric in a heartbeat if it suits their current interests.

    Sorry to burst your hope bubble, but this election is lost. And it was lost as soon as people starting falling for the con job. You're asking for "convincing evidence" but you can't allow yourself to objectively perceive this evidence. People believe what they want to believe.
    +rep

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    I think he should read Scott Adams' more recent articles explaining how Clinton has won the election.
    Yep. Scott Adams by his own admission has had a terrible history of picking presidential winners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Come on, Danno, you can't seriously believe this. Political donations are used in several ways, but one of the most expensive ways is to buy media ads. So, while the media is making their political donations to Hillary on the books, they are giving HUGE sums of money to Donald free of charge in the way of airtime and print. They did it all through the primary to boost him. Even Podesta said as much in one of the Wikileaks docs..
    Ya but they have been lying and attacking him mercilessly the entire time.. Now, maybe they know that 94% of the public doesn't trust the msm anymore, and they know that by attacking him they are just promoting him. It's a far-reach to believe, but it's entirely possible - but I haven't seen much convincing evidence.

    Maybe a wiki leaks email about the press doing attack stories to help promote him would be fairly convincing, but I haven't seen anything like that.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    What happened?
    Vote flipping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    He did that because the MSM was dropping articles saying he should drop out every day, there were online schills in here saying that they should vote for Trump because he's anti establishment and were trying to push us to reach out to the campaign and tell him to change his immigration platform to match Trumps. Even when Trump said Rand shouldn't be in the debate because of his polling, and that was when polling was when only some polls showed Rand low while most of the mainstream polls showed him in the middle of the pack.
    Now the media is telling people that the election is over and Trump lost. If we do not think that will affect turnout, especially because Trump does not have a coordinated GOTV program in place, then we truly have learned nothing about the mechanics of winning elections.

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    NeverTrumper Explains Why Now Feels Compelled To Vote For Trump
    Derek Hunter http://townhall.com/columnists/derek...trump-n2235899

    I couldn’t do it, I just couldn’t. For countless reasons I’ve covered over the last year, I dug in my heels … So what changed?

    Not Trump. … Hillary hasn’t changed either. At least not in who she is – a corrupt, self-serving liar willing to do or say anything to win and/or sell out to the highest bidder. There isn’t enough Saudi Arabian money in the Clinton Foundation to get me to vote for someone who got rich off “public service” and a “commitment to helping the poor.” …

    what’s changed is me. … through watching the sickening display of activism perpetrated by a covert army with press credentials. … 2016 saw the remaining veneer of credibility, thin as it was, stripped away and set on fire. … I can’t sit idly by and allow these perpetrators of fraud to celebrate … The media needs to be destroyed. And although voting for Trump won’t do it, it’s something. Essentially, I am voting for Trump because of the people who don’t want me to, and I believe I must register my disgust with Hillary Clinton.

    I am not of the mindset that any vote not for Trump is a vote for Hillary, but a vote for Trump is a vote against Hillary. And I need to vote against Hillary. I need to vote against the media.

    After the last debate, when no outlet “fact checked” Hillary’s lie that her opposition to the Heller decision had anything to do with children, or her lie that the State Department didn’t lose $6 billion under her leadership, I couldn’t hold out any longer. …

    The Wikileaks emails have exposed an arrogant cabal of misery profiteers who hold everyone, even their fellow travelers deemed not pure enough, in contempt. These bigots who’ve made their fortune from government service should be kept as far away from the levers of power as the car keys should be kept from anyone named Kennedy on a Friday night. …

    The Project Vertias videos exposed a corrupt political machine journalists would have been proud to expose in the past. The Wikileaks emails pulled back the curtain on why that didn’t happen – journalists are in on it. I can’t pretend otherwise, and I have no choice but to oppose it.

    This isn’t a call to arms for “Never Trumpers” to follow suit; this is a choice I had to make for myself … [but] I would encourage them to consider what awaits the country should Hillary win. … at least spend these last two weeks of the election directing their ire toward Clinton. … I’m not saying you should support him, but you shouldn’t lose sight of the importance of opposing her. If, or when, Hillary Clinton takes the oath of office, she needs to have as little support as possible. Frankly, she needs to be damaged. The mainstream media won’t do it; they’re in on it.

    This is my choice, what I must do. Each person has to come to this decision on their own terms … I oppose much of what Donald Trump has said, but I oppose everything Hillary Clinton has done ...
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
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