I hope Hillary wins.

[Madison320]

Here's what I think might happen:

1. Hillary wins.

2. The economy continues to degrade and sometime in 2017 Hillary/Yellen launch another round of government/fed stimulus including govt spending and QE4.

3. Dollar crashes, inflation goes well above 20%, we're in recession/depression. Interest rates rise and we're forced to partially default on the debt. We can't borrow money, rates are too high. We can't print money, inflation is too high.

Now I'm really speculating, I have no idea what happens next but here's what I hope happens:

4. The next president, maybe Rand Paul, wins in a landslide.

5. Now we've got a good president and the political will to do the right things.

6. On top of that we almost HAVE to do the right thing, since we can't borrow or print. We HAVE to cut spending, there's no other option.

Also I'll get the personal satisfaction of watching the democrats and left wing media squirm when the economy blows up in their faces.

The downside is having to listen to republicans say "See! see! I told you so!!!". Conveniently forgetting that they did the EXACT same thing leading up to the crash in 2008.

[wizardwatson]

Torture doesn't work and violates the Geneva Convention.

Probably not a good political strategy either.

[misterx]

Here's what I think might happen:

1. Hillary wins.

2. The economy continues to degrade and sometime in 2017 Hillary/Yellen launch another round of government/fed stimulus including govt spending and QE4.

3. Dollar crashes, inflation goes well above 20%, we're in recession/depression. Interest rates rise and we're forced to partially default on the debt. We can't borrow money, rates are too high. We can't print money, inflation is too high.

Now I'm really speculating, I have no idea what happens next but here's what I hope happens:

4. The next president, maybe Rand Paul, wins in a landslide.

5. Now we've got a good president and the political will to do the right things.

6. On top of that we almost HAVE to do the right thing, since we can't borrow or print. We HAVE to cut spending, there's no other option.

Also I'll get the personal satisfaction of watching the democrats and left wing media squirm when the economy blows up in their faces.

Bad news, comrade. If Hillary is president when this thing collapses, that gives her the crisis she needs to force all of her socialist policies through.

[Madison320]

Bad news, comrade. If Hillary is president when this thing collapses, that gives her the crisis she needs to force all of her socialist policies through.

Yup, that's a possibility. I can't deny it.

[Mordan]

Look, I agree that Rand is a better candidate than Trump on the issues and intellectually. He would have navigated the last months of the election way better than Trump vs Hillary.

But there is no way the Rand I see today can win the GOP primary. If you think being pure "Liberty" will do it. You are mistaken. Rand advisers suck or are working against him. Going towards the Establishment? How did that work for him? I never heard about Rand in the primary unless i came lurking over here. Ah yeah.. the only thing I heard was in February 2015, he started accepting Bitcoins in donations. But that's because I'am involved with the technology. If you actually care to lurk Reddit and Youtube $#@! posting, many "normal" RP supporters started supporting Trump. There are many references to Ron Paul. The purists will cry foul of course

[pcosmar]

I hope Hillary wins.

So does Trump.

I don't.. but I expect it just the same.

[Madison320]

Look, I agree that Rand is a better candidate than Trump on the issues and intellectually. He would have navigated the last months of the election way better than Trump vs Hillary.

But there is no way the Rand I see today can win the GOP primary. If you think being pure "Liberty" will do it. You are mistaken. Rand advisers suck or are working against him. Going towards the Establishment? How did that work for him? I never heard about Rand in the primary unless i came lurking over here. Ah yeah.. the only thing I heard was in February 2015, he started accepting Bitcoins in donations. But that's because I'am involved with the technology. If you actually care to lurk Reddit and Youtube $#@! posting, many "normal" RP supporters started supporting Trump. There are many references to Ron Paul. The purists will cry foul of course

Since the crash in 2008 we've borrowed 10T, printed 3.5T, kept rates at 0%. My theory is that the crash is roughly proportional to the amount of stimulus. That means we are going to have the mother of all crashes, worse than the great depression. I think that will cause politics to change drastically. My guess is we either make a huge jump to socialism or a huge jump to capitalism.

[juleswin]

It would be good if Trump loses cos it would open up the chance for Rand or any other non bat$#@! conservative/libertarian to run in 2020. See how I avoided saying that I want Hillary to win even though that would be the obvious outcome of Trump losing.

[openfire]

Bad news, comrade. If Hillary is president when this thing collapses, that gives her the crisis she needs to force all of her socialist policies through.

^This.

[Mordan]

It would be good if Trump loses cos it would open up the chance for Rand or any other non bat$#@! conservative/libertarian to run in 2020. See how I avoided saying that I want Hillary to win even though that would be the obvious outcome of Trump losing.

That would be a silver lining for me... but my guess is that in 2020, an even more anti establishment figure will rise. How does Rand plan to win the deplorables with an intellectual rhetoric? What are the strategies of the Purists?

[juleswin]

That would be a silver lining for me... but my guess is that in 2020, an even more anti establishment figure will rise. How does Rand plan to win the deplorables with an intellectual rhetoric? What are the strategies of the Purists?

I would pretend I did read "purists" (especially the people who are willing to vote for Rand Paul) and intellectual rhetoric in your post. None of that is what the Rand Paul campaign is about. But what would be do if a more anti establishment person runs? well, we would try again to defeat them and this time it should be a bit easier seeing as the voters now have the lessons of 2008, 2012 and 2016 fresh in their minds.

[Madison320]

Judging from the responses so far, I don't get the feeling that you guys think there's going to be much of a crash.

[specsaregood]

Bad news, comrade. If Hillary is president when this thing collapses, that gives her the crisis she needs to force all of her socialist policies through.

Bad news, comrade. If Trump is president when this thing collapses, that gives him the crisis he needs to force all of his socialist policies through and have the entire GOP support them.

[openfire]

Judging from the responses so far, I don't get the feeling that you guys think there's going to be much of a crash.

Some of us do. I believe the crash is unavoidable, it's coming soon, and it will be epic... The question is, who do you want in the White House to pick up the pieces when the house of cards comes crashing down?

Problem -> Reaction -> Solution.

If Hillary Clinton is in office when this thing blows, it will be Soros, IMF, et al implementing their "solution". In other words, it's game over.

[Madison320]

Bad news, comrade. If Trump is president when this thing collapses, that gives him the crisis he needs to force all of his socialist policies through and have the entire GOP support them.

One of my points is that when this collapses, socialist options will be partially limited. Can't borrow, can't print. We'll have to live within our means.


I'm afraid if Trump wins, followed by a collapse, we'll get someone who makes Bernie Sanders look like Ayn Rand in 2020.

[Mordan]

Judging from the responses so far, I don't get the feeling that you guys think there's going to be much of a crash.

it is anyone bet. It has been 8 years. Could last yet another 8 years. I hedged my bets with Bitcoin. Massive upside potential. Do some research. Rand Paul was one of the few candidates to accept Bitcoin donations.
Money is numbers on computers. Openfire is right. When the crash occurs you need the right people to write the new rules.

[Madison320]

Some of us do. I believe the crash is unavoidable, it's coming soon, and it will be epic... The question is, who do you want in the White House to pick up the pieces when the house of cards comes crashing down?

Problem -> Reaction -> Solution.

If Hillary Clinton is in office when this thing blows, it will be Soros, IMF, et al implementing their "solution". In other words, it's game over.

You could be right. Maybe it depends on when the crisis hits. If it hits right in the beginning of Hillary's term, that could be bad since she'll have a lot of time to do damage. If it hits at the end of her term that might be good. Not as much time for her to cause damage and the voters will have the crash fresh on their minds.

I just don't want to hear almost the entire media saying, "SEE!!!!! I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!" after a Trump victory followed by a crash. Despite the fact that any idiot should've been able to see the crash coming, they'll act like everything was going great and it was all capitalism and Trump's fault (despite the fact that Trump is hardly a free market capitalist). I admit it's small minded and selfish of me, but I can't help it.

[dirtdigger]

Here's what I think might happen:
4. The next president, maybe Rand Paul, wins in a landslide.

The system does not work this way. You ASSUME that the system is NOT rigged and the results are based on the perception of people who exercise their votes. The system is completely rigged. The only way Rand Paul wins is that the existing system is destroyed from the inside. Hillary winning it will mean that the Bush family makes a comeback and take over the party at all levels just as the Clintons have taken over the Democrat Party.

[Mordan]

The system does not work this way. You ASSUME that the system is NOT rigged and the results are based on the perception of people who exercise their votes. The system is completely rigged. The only way Rand Paul wins is that the existing system is destroyed from the inside. Hillary winning it will mean that the Bush family makes a comeback and take over the party at all levels just as the Clintons have taken over the Democrat Party.

Yea. I think that Trump making the assumption that the system is rigged helped him.

[phill4paul]

What are the strategies of the Purists?

1.Continue practicing agorism.
2. Prepare for the eventual crash.
3. Watch it all burn down.
4. Enjoy freedom in my final years on my small slice.

[Suzu]

If Hillary wins, I'm sorry folks, we're not going to have much to look forward to. For one thing, she's craving very hard for a major war. So is the whole "establishment". This coming big war isn't going to leave much of a future for any of us.

[Lucille]

She won't win. Just you watch. It's Brexit all over again.

[Anti Federalist]

Judging from the responses so far, I don't get the feeling that you guys think there's going to be much of a crash.

People, including Ron, have been hollering about a crash and TEOTWAWKI for years, decades now.

Somehow, the system keeps managing to kick the can down the road a little more, and keep the whole rotten structure propped up.

The only thing that is a sure thing is that more freedom will be lost, on the whole, this year, and the year after that, and the year after that...

[openfire]

One of my points is that when this collapses, socialist options will be partially limited. Can't borrow, can't print. We'll have to live within our means.

Is that what you think the globalists have in mind?

First off, the crash will be global in size and scope. We're talking about an implosion of the global debt bubble; A cascading chain reaction of defaults that wipes out all financial instruments and their derivatives - over 1 quadrillion dollars of paper wealth evaporating over night.

This will bring all trade and commerce to a halt on a global scale. Many millions of people will die as supply chains break down, store shelves go bare and people riot for food and ultimately starve. Imagine Venezuela, but 10X worse.

There will be an outcry from the masses for the governments of the world to do something!

Checkmate.

They will blame the crash of the financial system on instability caused by individual sovereign currencies and conflicting monetary policies (which is a lie, since central banks work together under the direction of the BIS to coordinate monetary policies), and the solution will be a one-world currency and monetary policy dictated by a global authority. That will be done under the guise of preventing any future financial crisis from happening again. Sovereignty will disappear - For the good of humanity, of course.



The new system won't resemble anything like an Austrian style "live within your means" system, where credit expansion is limited, constrained by "honest money". No, this will be socialist largess rolled out on a global scale.

Welcome to the NWO.

edit to add: All the globalists need in order to implement this plan is a puppet willing to cede US sovereignty...

[RonPaulMall]

Judging from the responses so far, I don't get the feeling that you guys think there's going to be much of a crash.

Crash is certain, but I think you underestimate Hillary's countermeasures. You need about 65 million votes to win the Presidency. Hillary has 30 million inside America already she's going to legalize and can easily bring in 50 million more during the course of her four years in office. That's 80 million new votes at the very least for her and many of those people were previously making $10 a day so no matter how hard we crash, for them, Hillary has been a godsend.

The math just doesn't add up. Violent civil war is a possibility, but Rand winning the General Election? Impossible if Hillary prevails. His only hope is Trump but the truth is his best hope was winning this cycle and he blew that chance with his lackluster campaign.

[Carlybee]

Omg...y'all still think votes count?

[anaconda]

Here's what I think might happen:

1. Hillary wins.

2. The economy continues to degrade and sometime in 2017 Hillary/Yellen launch another round of government/fed stimulus including govt spending and QE4.

3. Dollar crashes, inflation goes well above 20%, we're in recession/depression. Interest rates rise and we're forced to partially default on the debt. We can't borrow money, rates are too high. We can't print money, inflation is too high.

Now I'm really speculating, I have no idea what happens next but here's what I hope happens:

4. The next president, maybe Rand Paul, wins in a landslide.

5. Now we've got a good president and the political will to do the right things.

6. On top of that we almost HAVE to do the right thing, since we can't borrow or print. We HAVE to cut spending, there's no other option.

Also I'll get the personal satisfaction of watching the democrats and left wing media squirm when the economy blows up in their faces.

The downside is having to listen to republicans say "See! see! I told you so!!!". Conveniently forgetting that they did the EXACT same thing leading up to the crash in 2008.

Problem is that economic destruction IS the globalist/Hillary agenda and the sheeple will look to global governance and Hillary "solutions" long before they stand up on their own and take anything close to a liberty alternative.

[AngryCanadian]

Hillary wont allow another republican to run.

[Jamesiv1]

She won't win. Just you watch. It's Brexit all over again.

Wouldn't that be glorious?

Brexit throwdown, then Trump slams Hillary against ALL the mainstream media.

oh my gawd, there would be a giant explosion of TV pundit's heads.

[oyarde]

Since the crash in 2008 we've borrowed 10T, printed 3.5T, kept rates at 0%. My theory is that the crash is roughly proportional to the amount of stimulus. That means we are going to have the mother of all crashes, worse than the great depression. I think that will cause politics to change drastically. My guess is we either make a huge jump to socialism or a huge jump to capitalism.

The last crash was worse than the great depression as far as employment , at its peak 6 people for every job , the great depression reached 5 for ea job . Stock markets are way over inflated , worse than last time. So it could possibly lose more than the 50 percent last time . That pretty well breaks most americans as the only savings for the poor are in 401k's .