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    Only you can prevent a Trump presidency

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...b66_story.html

    October 3, 2016

    I know, I know, the point I’m about to make is painfully obvious. But it is not in any sense trivial: If you care who wins the election next month, get off the couch, go down to your polling place and vote.

    National polls taken since last week’s debate show Hillary Clinton with a solid lead over Donald Trump; a Politico-Morning Consult poll released Monday morning, for example, put the gap at 6 points. New polls in swing states, including some that once looked favorable for Trump, also report that Clinton is now ahead. There is every reason to believe that most Americans favor the former U.S. senator and secretary of state over the bigoted, clownish real estate mogul who claims he’s worth billions of dollars yet apparently avoids paying federal income taxes.

    If you’re tempted to think this is in the bag, however, look around.

    In Colombia on Sunday, voters narrowly rejected a peace deal intended to end a war against leftist guerrillas that has raged for five decades and claimed tens of thousands of lives. Supporters of the agreement were shocked because respected polls had shown it would be approved easily.

    Similarly, polls showed that British voters were in favor of remaining in the European Union. Yet when ballots were counted after the June 23 referendum, the “leave” position had won a slim victory. Many Britons were stunned and dismayed — none more so than David Cameron, who was forced to resign as prime minister.

    It is tempting to look at these results — plus the election of dangerous lunatic Rodrigo Duterte as president of the Philippines — and conclude that some sort of vast, perhaps unstoppable, anti-elite wave is sweeping the globe. As go Medellin and Manila, in other words, so goes Milwaukee.

    I think there is a simpler, less apocalyptic explanation: In both Britain and Colombia, the outcomes were determined by those who didn’t bother to vote.

    For the Brexit referendum, overall turnout was high, a bit over 70 percent. But turnout among voters under 40 — those most likely to favor remaining in the E.U. — was only about 65 percent, according to a London School of Economics analysis . Meanwhile, turnout among those over 65, the group most likely to favor exiting the union, was an estimated 90 percent.

    Had turnout among younger voters been a few points higher, Brexit would have lost.

    In Colombia, a nation of approximately 47 million people, the peace deal was rejected by just 54,000 votes. But turnout was a paltry 37 percent. If so many Colombians who favored the agreement perhaps hadn’t assumed it was safe to stay home, believing the outcome was a foregone conclusion, President Juan Manuel Santos would be taking a victory lap instead of scrambling to come up with a Plan B.

    The lesson for American voters seems clear. Yes, this is a year when anti-establishment protest is finding expression at the ballot box. The Duterte case is instructive: Filipino voters knew they were choosing as president a man who believes the way to deal with illegal drugs and rampant crime is through extrajudicial summary execution. They may come to regret their choice, but they made it with open eyes.

    In Britain and Colombia, however, majorities of voters sabotaged themselves with their own apathy. And the only way Trump can win is if the same thing happens here.

    It is true that the white working-class voters who form the core of Trump’s support do not always show up on Election Day. But given their fervor for the bombastic GOP candidate — who claims, ridiculously, that he can hold back the tides of globalism, demography and science — it is reasonable to assume that Trump’s people will indeed vote.

    But they are outnumbered by voters who recognize Trump for the ignorant and dangerous charlatan that he is. Pollsters try to account for any enthusiasm gap when they screen for “likely” voters. But really, there should be no gap at all.

    The coalition of women, young people, African Americans, Hispanics and Asian Americans that twice elected President Obama has even more reason to come out in force to elect Clinton. Anyone who believes that Trump is essentially harmless, or that he is so ridiculous a figure that inevitably he will lose, is whistling past the graveyard.

    The Clinton campaign is setting in motion a get-out-the-vote campaign that represents the state of the art. Ultimately, however, this is on you. There is one sure way to avoid the nastiest of surprises on Nov. 8: Vote, or you’ll have no right to complain.



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    No.
    There is no excuse for letting Hillary back into the oval office, other than the fact that she would make a fine King George IV...
    This article is so pro globalist and pro elite it borders on un-American...

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    It is true that the white working-class voters who form the core of Trump’s support do not always show up on Election Day. But given their fervor for the bombastic GOP candidate — who claims, ridiculously, that he can hold back the tides of globalism, demography and science — it is reasonable to assume that Trump’s people will indeed vote.
    Roll over and die already, working class whites.

    I swear these people are just about forcing me to vote Trump.

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    It's one thing to be neutral to globalism, but to say just lie down and accept it, that is different.
    I think Trump is right in that if we can just slow globalism down for a few years many baby bloomers will retire helping the work force regain it's equilibrium in America.
    So it doesn't have to be totally stopped, just slowed, unlike Clinton who want to accelerate it at maximum speed, and that is just stupid.

    I ask everybody this question what is better for the American economy acceleration of globalism or it's slow down. Globalism is like a huge freight train, it can't be stopped, but that doesn't mean we have vote for it to travel down the tracks at maximum speed.
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    Preventing a Trump presidency by voting for Clinton is like contracting chlamydia to prevent gonorrhea.

    Yeah, that makes sense.





    (Uh, yeah, I'll take the antibiotic, please)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    I ask everybody this question what is better for the American economy acceleration of globalism or it's slow down. Globalism is like a huge freight train, it can't be stopped, but that doesn't mean we have vote for it to travel down the tracks at maximum speed.
    You really need to understand this: Nationalism is not better than Globalism. In fact, it can be even more dangerous and quicker.

    Both of these sentiments are incredibly flawed and detrimental to liberty. Fighting one while supporting the other is not only futile, it's stupid.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Tump and clinton are both pretty bad... i hate blm, feminazis, overly sensitive snowflakes, beta males and other social justice warriors. Therefore i will find glee seeing all those mentioned catagory of people freak out. You already see people freaking out if they see trump written on sidewalk. I hope they blow their own brai... i mean hang themselves ( since they dont own guns) when trump is elected.

    Hillary will empower those groups.. thats pretty much my reasoning atm. No matter who wins, odds are against us all. But i find satisfaction seeing all the pc people go crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    You really need to understand this: Nationalism is not better than Globalism. In fact, it can be even more dangerous and quicker.

    Both of these sentiments are incredibly flawed and detrimental to liberty. Fighting one while supporting the other is not only futile, it's stupid.
    Nationalism at least ties us to the Contact of our Constitution, albeit ostensibly... Globalism introduces a new contract, one that is controlled by the most repressive areas of our globe.
    Trump is something that can be worked with if water is available for the shrubbery... Clinton will give us away to any $#@!hole on the planet.
    On the other hand, Clinton would inspire tree maintenance like nobody else could.
    Last edited by fedupinmo; 10-04-2016 at 07:44 AM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Roll over and die already, working class whites.

    I swear these people are just about forcing me to vote Trump.
    Ever notice these people used to be "Blue Collar Workers"? That used to be the term. When they're dependable lapdogs for the Democrats, they're Blue Collar Workers and they're the best people ever, down-to-Earth, salt of the Earth, give the shirt off their backs for America. True blue Americans.

    But now that they're backing someone else? And *OVERWHELMINGLY* backing someone else, by the way? They have somehow morphed and become "Uneducated Whites" or "Whites Without a College Degree". That's the new term this election. As if they're morons or something. Of course some on this forum, like CPUd and Zippyjuan, would agree. What morons they all are. Just worthless, ignorant, despicable (deplorable?) people. Garbage people. Get 'em out of the way of our Demographic Change.
    Last edited by helmuth_hubener; 10-04-2016 at 12:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Roll over and die already, working class whites.

    I swear these people are just about forcing me to vote Trump.
    Johnson is helping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Johnson is helping.
    Now, if we could only prevent a Clinton presidency as well, and become like Spain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    You really need to understand this: Nationalism is not better than Globalism. In fact, it can be even more dangerous and quicker.

    Both of these sentiments are incredibly flawed and detrimental to liberty. Fighting one while supporting the other is not only futile, it's stupid.
    You, my friend, need more reps for both of those comments. Unfortunately, I'm out.

    Yes, Nationalism is just as bad as Globalism. It is however much worse in the short term. Worst of all, Nationalism actually sounds good a lot of times. That is, if you do not realize what it will lead to.
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    I want to prevent a Trump or Clinton presidency. I know it's not possible, but I just tune out anytime somebody tries to argue one is better than the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    You, my friend, need more reps for both of those comments. Unfortunately, I'm out.

    Yes, Nationalism is just as bad as Globalism. It is however much worse in the short term. Worst of all, Nationalism actually sounds good a lot of times. That is, if you do not realize what it will lead to.

    Covered. I'd +rep it twice if I could.
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    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    Ever notice these people used to be "Blue Collar Workers"? That used to be the term. When they're dependable lapdogs for the Democrats, they're Blue Collar Workers and they're the best people ever, down-to-Earth, salt of the Earth, give the shirt off their backs for America. True blue Americans.

    But now that they're backing someone else? And *OVERWHELMINGLY* backing someone else, by the way? They have somehow morphed and become "Uneducated Whites" or "Whites Without a College Degree". That's the new term this election. As if they're morons or something. Of course some on this forum, like revolution 3.0 and Zippyjuan, would agree. What morons they all are. Just worthless, ignorant, despicable (deplorable?) people. Garbage people. Get 'em out of the way of our Demographic Change.
    They have the right wing media to thank for that, for exploiting their "economic anxiety".
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    They have the right wing media to thank for that, for exploiting their "economic anxiety".
    They get to blame the right wing media for making them morons? Gee thanks.

    Does everyone who is a moron in your view get that same "out"? Or is anyone responsible for himself?



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    If Trump were smart.... he'd be pouring money into NM to support Johnson/Weld.... the more electoral votes he denies her, the better chances of him getting 'selected' by the House of Reps in a tiebreaker vote


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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    You really need to understand this: Nationalism is not better than Globalism. In fact, it can be even more dangerous and quicker.

    Both of these sentiments are incredibly flawed and detrimental to liberty. Fighting one while supporting the other is not only futile, it's stupid.
    How can these people not understand this? Indeed, it is harder to control 8 billion people than it is 300 million. No one has ever done the former, the latter has been done repeatedly throughout history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    How can these people not understand this?
    Quick pop quiz, Pierz!

    Federalism: good or bad?

    What say you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    I want to prevent a Trump or Clinton presidency. I know it's not possible, but I just tune out anytime somebody tries to argue one is better than the other.
    Same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    Quick pop quiz, Pierz!

    Federalism: good or bad?

    What say you?
    I'll answer:

    BAD

    The anti-federalists were right.

    Anti-Federalism refers to a movement that opposed the creation of a stronger U.S. federal government and which later opposed the ratification of the 1787 Constitution. The previous constitution, called the Articles of Confederation, gave state governments more authority.
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    What a stupid article. No, if Trump is going to win the election, there's nothing any of us can do to stop it. None of our votes will do that. Same goes for if Hillary is going to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    If Trump were smart.... he'd be pouring money into NM to support Johnson/Weld.... the more electoral votes he denies her, the better chances of him getting 'selected' by the House of Reps in a tiebreaker vote


    Trump is closer to winning NM than Johnson, so why would he do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    If Trump were smart.... he'd be pouring money into NM to support Johnson/Weld.... the more electoral votes he denies her, the better chances of him getting 'selected' by the House of Reps in a tiebreaker vote


    I don't think Trump will even break 200 in the electoral college.



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    I read somewhere that Clinton has the majority of support of the youth vote. As Ron Paul found out, they do not vote.

    Anyone else notice that the west coast leaning more socialist which tends to lead to civil disarmament. Easy for invasion from Asia when the civil population on the left coast eventually becomes defenseless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alucard13mm View Post
    Tump and clinton are both pretty bad... i hate blm, feminazis, overly sensitive snowflakes, beta males and other social justice warriors. Therefore i will find glee seeing all those mentioned catagory of people freak out. You already see people freaking out if they see trump written on sidewalk. I hope they blow their own brai... i mean hang themselves ( since they dont own guns) when trump is elected.

    Hillary will empower those groups.. thats pretty much my reasoning atm. No matter who wins, odds are against us all. But i find satisfaction seeing all the pc people go crazy.
    Wait a minute, wait a fu*king minute, why again are beta males in the aforementioned list? I can understand SJW, feminazis etc being among the hated group but what is wrong with beta males? You do know we can't all be alpha males and if for some special magic we all became alphas, then there would be nothing special at all about being an alpha. Hope the put them in by accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Wait a minute, wait a fu*king minute, why again are beta males in the aforementioned list? I can understand SJW, feminazis etc being among the hated group but what is wrong with beta males? You do know we can't all be alpha males and if for some special magic we all became alphas, then there would be nothing special at all about being an alpha. Hope the put them in by accident.
    When I refer to beta males :P I refer to the ones that suck up to feminists to get some poontang lol.. i suppose I should call them gamma males.

    This is why I have contempt for Hillary and these SJW... An example of a beta/gamma male is the one at the end that steals the hat lol
    Last edited by alucard13mm; 10-04-2016 at 08:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    You really need to understand this: Nationalism is not better than Globalism. In fact, it can be even more dangerous and quicker.

    Both of these sentiments are incredibly flawed and detrimental to liberty. Fighting one while supporting the other is not only futile, it's stupid.
    Not really.

    Globalism has been creating havoc.





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    Quote Originally Posted by alucard13mm View Post
    When I refer to beta males :P I refer to the ones that suck up to feminists to get some poontang lol.. i suppose I should call them gamma males.

    This is why I have contempt for Hillary and these SJW... An example of a beta/gamma male is the one at the end that steals the hat lol
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