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    Mike Rowe counters NYT's "Modern Man" piece....

    I'm tellin' ya. He has my write in vote this year....

    His FB page rebuttal to the Times piece....

    Off The Wall

    Hey Mike
    The New York Times just published a 27-point guide on what it means to be a “Modern Man.” http://www.nytimes.com/…/m…/27-ways-...an.html…
    As someone widely regarded as a “Man’s Man,” I’d love to get your take. (Personally, I’m not sure what a “Man’s Man” is, but my wife assures me that you are one.)

    Don Philips

    Hi Don

    I don’t know what a “Man’s Man” is either, or if I am one, but I’m not inclined to argue with another man’s wife. However, I did read the Times piece, and I can tell you with some certainty that I do not appear to be a “Modern Man.” My own Guide - as a potential “Man’s Man” - is below.

    New York Times: When the modern man buys shoes for his spouse, he doesn’t have to ask her sister for the size. And he knows which brands run big or small.
    Mike Rowe: A Man’s Man would not buy shoes for his spouse, or be familiar with the vagaries of various female footwear brands. He might offer to pay for them, and he would definitely compliment her choice. And if he knows the size of her feet, it’s only because he rubs them from time to time.

    NYT: The modern man never lets other people know when his confidence has sunk. He acts as if everything is going swimmingly until it is.
    MR: A Man’s Man feels no shame in admitting uncertainty, because he knows that doing so will make him more certain. He’s transparent about his flaws and shortcomings, and makes no attempt to be more secure or knowledgeable or competent than he actually is.

    NYT: The modern man is considerate. At the movie theater, he won’t munch down a mouthful of popcorn during a quiet moment. He waits for some ruckus.
    MR: A Man’s Man is also considerate. But he would never consciously time his chewing to coincide with the noisy parts of the film. He does not walk on eggshells.

    NYT: The modern man doesn’t cut the fatty or charred bits off his fillet. Every bite of steak is a privilege, and it all goes down the hatch.
    MR: A Man’s Man will clean his plate, assuming of course he’s the one who put the food on it. But he feels no obligation to suck the marrow out of a bone, or eat the bruise on the banana, or consume the cob as well as the corn. He does not equate his manliness with a willingness consume food that’s been poorly prepared.

    NYT: The modern man won’t blow 10 minutes of his life looking for the best parking spot. He finds a reasonable one and puts his car between the lines.

    MR: A Man’s Man knows it’s wiser to park closer to the exit than the entrance.

    NYT: Before the modern man heads off to bed, he makes sure his spouse’s phone and his kids’ electronic devices are charging for the night.
    MR: A Man’s Man knows that self-reliance is born of experience. He encourages his kids to look after their own stuff, and suffer the consequences when they do not. The wife is another matter.

    NYT: The modern man buys only regular colas, like Coke or Dr Pepper. If you walk into his house looking for a Mountain Dew, he’ll show you the door.
    MR: A Man’s Man doesn’t drink children’s beverages. He drinks tap water, wine, coffee, beer, whiskey, or iced tea. He does however, keep soda pop on hand, on the off chance a modern man stops by.

    NYT: The modern man uses the proper names for things. For example, he’ll say “helicopter,” not “chopper” like some gauche simpleton.
    MR: A Man’s Man is less worried about using the right word, and more concerned with being understood. But under no circumstance, does he “dumb down” the language.

    NYT: Having a daughter makes the modern man more of a complete person. He learns new stuff every day.
    MR: A Man’s Man is already a complete person. His identity does not depend upon sons, daughters, spouses, friends, or pets. He is not a loner, and he cherishes the relationships he has. But he knows that his “completion” is nothing but a reflection of knowing who he is.

    NYT: The modern man makes sure the dishes on the rack have dried completely before putting them away.
    MR: A Man’s Man will always volunteer to wash the dishes. He may or may not put them away, but regardless, he understands the phenomenon of evaporation, and doesn’t concern himself with a codified system for drying.

    NYT: The modern man has never “pinned” a tweet, and he never will.
    MR: A Man’s Man does not know what that even means. But he rarely says “never.”

    NYT: The modern man checks the status of his Irish Spring bar before jumping in for a wash. Too small, it gets swapped out.
    MR: A Man’s Man uses Lava Soap. He uses it until it’s the size of a dime.

    NYT: The modern man listens to Wu-Tang at least once a week.
    MR: A Man’s Man watches reruns of Kung-Fu.

    NYT: The modern man still jots down his grocery list on a piece of scratch paper. The market is no place for his face to be buried in the phone.
    MR: A Man’s Man does not make lists. He knows what he likes, what he needs, and what he wants. If he has to write it down, he understands it was not worth having in the first place.

    NYT: The modern man has hardwood flooring. His children can detect his mood from the stamp of his Kenneth Cole oxfords.
    MR: A Man’s Man is not committed to any particular type of flooring. He doesn’t attempt to communicate with his children through his footsteps, and he doesn’t own oxfords, unless they’re steel-toed.

    NYT: The modern man lies on the side of the bed closer to the door. If an intruder gets in, he will try to fight him off, so that his wife has a chance to get away.
    MR: A Man’s Man knows that a struggle closest to the door will effectively block the exit through which his wife might flee. So he secures the house in a way that keeps intruders out, and sleeps wherever he wants.

    NYT: The modern man has a melon baller. How else would the cantaloupe, watermelon and honeydew he serves be so uniformly shaped?
    MR: The Man’s Man, if he serves fruit at all, prepares wedges, squares, and rectangles. He accomplishes this with a knife.

    NYT: The modern man has thought seriously about buying a shoehorn.
    MR: A Man’s Man doesn’t think “seriously” about any purchase under $5.

    NYT: The modern man buys fresh flowers more to surprise his wife than to say he is sorry.
    MR: A Man’s Man picks wildflowers on the side of the road, wraps them with a bootlace, and presents them with an original, hand-written poem.

    NYT: On occasion, the modern man is the “little spoon.” Some nights, when he is feeling down or vulnerable, he needs an emotional and physical shield.
    MR: A Man’s Man will do whatever’s necessary to please his bedmate - not himself. But he roundly rejects all metaphors, especially those that involve utensils.

    NYT: The modern man doesn’t scold his daughter when she sneezes while eating an apple doughnut, even if the pieces fly everywhere.
    MR: A Man’s Man would laugh and then say “Bless you,” or “gesundheit.” Then, he’d make sure she wipes her nose and cleans up the crumbs.

    NYT- The modern man still ambles half-naked down his driveway each morning to scoop up a crisp newspaper-
    MR: A Man’s Man does not amble. Moreover, he would have already impressed upon the paper boy the importance of getting the morning paper all the way up on the porch. Where it belongs.

    NYT: The modern man has all of Michael Mann’s films on Blu-ray (or whatever the highest quality thing is at the time.)
    MR: A Man’s Man doesn’t own films - he rents them. He also values effectiveness over efficiency, and knows that the “latest technology” will be obsolete in a few months. For this reason, he makes no attempt to own the newest of anything.

    NYT: The modern man doesn’t get hung up on his phone’s battery percentage. If it needs to run flat, so be it.
    MR: A Man’s Man prefers his gas tank full, his weapon loaded, his pantry stocked, and his checkbook balanced. He also likes his phone sufficiently charged, and takes the necessary steps to accomplish that.

    NYT: The modern man has no use for a gun. He doesn’t own one, and he never will.
    MR: A Man’s Man owns at least one firearm. He knows how to use it, clean it, and store it properly. He understands it’s importance, and sees it for what it is - a tool that can protect him and his family.

    NYT: The modern man cries. He cries often.
    MR: A Man’s Man cries if he feels like crying. But he rarely feels like it.

    NYT: People aren’t sure if the modern man is a good dancer or not. That is, until the D.J. plays his jam and he goes out there and puts on a clinic.
    MR: People know without question a Man’s Man does not dance. But they also know if called upon, he’ll give it his best shot...
    Last edited by phill4paul; 09-28-2016 at 09:35 PM.



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    NYTs? Ah, ok...

    And you won't build me another safe space. -rep
    Last edited by Danke; 09-28-2016 at 09:56 PM. Reason: Typo for gunny
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    NYTs? Ah, ok...

    And you won't build me another save space. -rep
    It's the retort I'm posting about.

    Allow me to teach you to fish.

    Click the "Forums" button. Follow down and click on "Open Discussion"

    Click on "New Post."

    In the header type in "Danke's new save(sp) space."

    You're welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    NYTs? Ah, ok...

    And you won't build me another save space. -rep
    You can always buy a personal cloud. They make the best save spaces. The best!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    It's the retort I'm posting about.

    Allow me to teach you to fish.

    Click the "Forums" button. Follow down and click on "Open Discussion"

    Click on "New Post."

    In the header type in "Danke's new save(sp) space."

    You're welcome.
    You make the best safe spaces,, they are yuueeg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    You can always buy a personal cloud. They make the best save spaces. The best!
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    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

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    Mike Rowe 2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Mike Rowe 2016
    Easy to translate into campaign speech...

    Mike Rowe on Government Transparency:
    We as a nation should feel no shame in admitting uncertainty, because we know that doing so will make us more certain. We need to be more transparent about our flaws and shortcomings, and make no attempt to appear more secure or knowledgeable or competent than we actually are.

    Mike Rowe on perpetual war:
    As a nation we should know it’s wiser to park closer to the exit than the entrance.

    On political correctness:
    We as a nation should be less worried about using the right word, and more concerned with being understood. But under no circumstance, should we“dumb down” the language.

    On the economy:
    We as a nation should prefer our gas tank full, our weapon loaded, our pantry stocked, and our checkbook balanced.

    On gun control:
    Every household in this nation should own at least one firearm. Everyone in the family should know how to use it, clean it, and store it properly. Every citizen should understand it’s importance, it's historical reference in the Second Amendment, and see it for what it is - a tool that can protect us and our families.
    Last edited by phill4paul; 09-28-2016 at 11:18 PM.



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    It is like NYT hates testosterone and makes every effort to try to lower it for all their male readership.
    * See my visitor message area for caveats related to my posting history here.
    * Also, I have effectively retired from all social media including posting here and are basically opting out of anything to do with national politics or this country on federal or state level and rather focusing locally. I may stop by from time to time to discuss philosophy on a general level related to Libertarian schools of thought and application in the real world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    It is like NYT hates testosterone and makes every effort to try to lower it for all their male readership.
    M$M in general. Castration is part of subjugation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    M$M in general. Castration is part of subjugation.
    Not accidental.

    What is being used to accomplish this, is the question.


    Testosterone Levels in Men Decline Over Past Two Decades, Study Shows

    https://www.endocrine.org/news-room/...in_men_decline

    Contact: Charles E. Blue, Director of Communications

    301-941-0240; e-mail cblue@endo-society.org

    Chevy Chase, MD – Testosterone levels in American men have been declining steadily over the past two decades, a new study in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism concludes.

    The reasons for this decline are unclear; the study suggests that neither aging nor changes in certain health factors, such as obesity or smoking, can completely explain the phenomenon.

    “Male serum testosterone levels appear to vary by generation, even after age is taken into account,” said Thomas G. Travison, Ph.D., of the New England Research Institutes (NERI) in Watertown, Mass., and lead author of the study. “In 1988, men who were 50 years old had higher serum testosterone concentrations than did comparable 50-year-old men in 1996. This suggests that some factor other than age may be contributing to the observed declines in testosterone over time.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Not accidental.

    What is being used to accomplish this, is the question.


    Testosterone Levels in Men Decline Over Past Two Decades, Study Shows

    https://www.endocrine.org/news-room/...in_men_decline

    Contact: Charles E. Blue, Director of Communications

    301-941-0240; e-mail cblue@endo-society.org

    Chevy Chase, MD – Testosterone levels in American men have been declining steadily over the past two decades, a new study in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism concludes.

    The reasons for this decline are unclear; the study suggests that neither aging nor changes in certain health factors, such as obesity or smoking, can completely explain the phenomenon.

    “Male serum testosterone levels appear to vary by generation, even after age is taken into account,” said Thomas G. Travison, Ph.D., of the New England Research Institutes (NERI) in Watertown, Mass., and lead author of the study. “In 1988, men who were 50 years old had higher serum testosterone concentrations than did comparable 50-year-old men in 1996. This suggests that some factor other than age may be contributing to the observed declines in testosterone over time.”
    I could come up with all kinds of theories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post






    Good Lord, man! That last one should get you banned.

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    Sounds like two people trying to dictate what I'm supposed to be. Modern Man and Man's Man can jump in a lake.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    Sounds like two people trying to dictate what I'm supposed to be. Modern Man and Man's Man can jump in a lake.
    Dictate? Ummmm, ok.



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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Good Lord, man! That last one should get you banned.
    Who, me?


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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    Sounds like two people trying to dictate what I'm supposed to be. Modern Man and Man's Man can jump in a lake.
    A Man's Man wouldn't be such a weenie about a post on the interwebz.
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    A Man's Man wouldn't be such a weenie about a post on the interwebz.
    Exactly my thoughts about Mr. Rowe. Thanks for capturing the gist of it.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Dictate? Ummmm, ok.
    Does a Man's Man politely suggest?
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018



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