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Thread: Is Ron Paul a libertarian?

  1. #1

    Is Ron Paul a libertarian?

    some say no, he's a constitutionalist. some say yes, he's a libertarian. some even say he's a neo-confederate, what that has to do with political views i dunno..... well what do you think?



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  3. #2
    I view the term "libertarian" as an adjective, not a noun. So in that sense, of course Ron Paul is libertarian!


    (BTW, when you use labels, you lose.)
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  4. #3
    He calls himself a libertarian, so that's sufficient for me.
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  5. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    I view the term "libertarian" as an adjective, not a noun. So in that sense, of course Ron Paul is libertarian!


    (BTW, when you use labels, you lose.)
    "Libertarian" is a quite well defined word. It can be declined as a noun or an adjective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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  6. #5
    Yes.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

  7. #6
    I would say he is, more so than many of those here.

  8. #7
    Of course he is

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    A better question might be, is there an un-libertarian bone in his body?
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  11. #9
    Yes. He clearly is. There is no serious disagreement on this.
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    Does the Pope.............

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  14. #12
    Liberty means against Government-over-Man. You'll hear a lot of people define it in their own little way similar to how some friends translate the Gospel to suit their personal lifestyes. To be against Government-over-Man in America is to be libertarian.

    This is how it is properly defined in relation to the American heritage.

    So yes. Yes he is.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 09-29-2016 at 08:47 AM.

  15. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    I would say he is, more so than many of those here.
    Which ones?

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    Wow. So RPF has declined to this.

    This site is already pretty much 10 libertarian "purists" with different definitions of libertarianism trying to prove the other forum members aren't libertarian. Now Dr. Paul is suspect.

    Who are you people?
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

  17. #15
    Yes, absolutely his voting record proves it (he isn't called Dr. No for nothing).

  18. #16
    The real question is "Is libertarianism Paulian?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    Wow. So RPF has declined to this.

    This site is already pretty much 10 libertarian "purists" with different definitions of libertarianism trying to prove the other forum members aren't libertarian. Now Dr. Paul is suspect.

    Who are you people?
    if you go on reddit.com/r/libertarian they claim Gary Johnson and even Bill Weld are somehow just as or often times they say they are more libertarian than Ron Paul. that prompted this question

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  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse James View Post
    if you go on reddit.com/r/libertarian they claim Gary Johnson and even Bill Weld are somehow just as or often times they say they are more libertarian than Ron Paul. that prompted this question
    Well, in the past, Ron Paul has advocated for and even been very comfortable with large, invasive, and intrusive state governments. That's consistent with a conservative/federalist position, not a libertarian position.

  23. #20
    Hmmm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.No. View Post
    Well, in the past, Ron Paul has advocated for and even been very comfortable with large, invasive, and intrusive state governments. That's consistent with a conservative/federalist position, not a libertarian position.
    What's the color of the sky on your planet and how did you get my good friends username?
    The wisdom of Swordy:

    On bringing the troops home
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.

    On fighting corruption:
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
    Fascism Defined

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    He calls himself a libertarian, so that's sufficient for me.
    He is close enough for a retired hero.
    No one here wanted to be the Billionaire.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse James View Post
    some say no, he's a constitutionalist. some say yes, he's a libertarian. some even say he's a neo-confederate, what that has to do with political views i dunno..... well what do you think?
    I'm not sure why libertarian and constitutionalist are "either / or" perspectives. Ron Paul understands that the purpose of the constitution was to put restraints on the size and power of the federal government. I cannot think of why any libertarian would be opposed to that. Now some libertarians seem more willing to use the power of the federal government to restrain what they view as abuse of by the states and Ron Paul seems generally against that but that is more of a tactical position than a philosophical one.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse James View Post
    if you go on reddit.com/r/libertarian they claim Gary Johnson and even Bill Weld are somehow just as or often times they say they are more libertarian than Ron Paul. that prompted this question
    Then more of us need to get on reddit.com and set those people straight. Gun grabbing Bill Weld is libertarian? It's libertarian to demand that a Jewish baker must bake a Nazi cake?

    Of course their attempting to compare Johnson and Weld to Paul proves that Ron Paul is the gold standard for libertarianism and indeed all things liberty.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    Wow. So RPF has declined to this.

    This site is already pretty much 10 libertarian "purists" with different definitions of libertarianism trying to prove the other forum members aren't libertarian. Now Dr. Paul is suspect.

    Who are you people?
    I think you misunderstand the point of the OP.

    IIRC, Jesse James is a Trump supporter, and not a libertarian himself. He desperately wants Ron Paul to be something other than a libertarian, and of the options he gave, I'm guessing his favorite is "neo-confederate."

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I think you misunderstand the point of the OP.

    IIRC, Jesse James is a Trump supporter, and not a libertarian himself. He desperately wants Ron Paul to be something other than a libertarian, and of the options he gave, I'm guessing his favorite is "neo-confederate."
    I don't get that impression. I think he's just trying to figure things out, like a lot of people are. He's pretty young, btw.

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    I wish somebody had pointed this out to me sooner. He doesn't think gay couples should be able to adopt and he believes in the death penalty. That's too far for me. Now I wonder who to vote for. Guess I'm gonna have to write in ole Ron Paul
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    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I don't get that impression. I think he's just trying to figure things out, like a lot of people are. He's pretty young, btw.
    Oh, good catch.

    My apologies for grouping him in with the deplorables.

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I think you misunderstand the point of the OP.

    IIRC, Jesse James is a Trump supporter, and not a libertarian himself. He desperately wants Ron Paul to be something other than a libertarian, and of the options he gave, I'm guessing his favorite is "neo-confederate."
    you remember wrong.



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