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    State Department: Yup, There Are Terrorist Refugees

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/9328/s...ichael-qazvini

    BY: MICHAEL QAZVINI SEPTEMBER 21, 2016



    On Wednesday, State Department spokesman John Kirby finally acknowledged a well-known truth: ISIS is attempting to infiltrate the United States via the Obama administration’s refugee resettlement program.

    "I wouldn't debate the fact that there's the potential for ISIS terrorists to try to insert themselves, and we see that in some of the refugee camps in Jordan and in Turkey, where they try to insert themselves into the population," Kirby told the hosts of "Fox and Friends.”

    Many of the refugees the US plans on accepting are supposedly “vetted” at these very refugee camps in Jordan and Turkey.



    In a moment of unexpected candor, Kirby even went on to confess that the federal government’s vetting process isn’t “foolproof."

    "Is it perfect? Can it be perfect? Can it be foolproof? Well, probably not, no,” he admitted.

    While the State Department spokesman qualified his revealing remarks by insisting that the process is “very, very stringent,” a new report by the Homeland Security Department’s Inspector General calls into question the fed’s ability to accurately identify immigrants gaining entrance into the United States with forged documents or fake passports.

    As The Daily Wire recently reported, 858 immigrants from countries “of concern to national security” were mistakenly granted citizenship in the last few months, bypassing the scrutiny of immigration and customs agencies with forged documents.

    The Inspector General’s report exposed the fact that the FBI’s fingerprint database was woefully incomplete, allowing immigrants to enter the United States without being properly identified.




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    That would be the one of the reasons that there's a screening process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    That would be the one of the reasons that there's a screening process.
    LOL And what a bang-up job they're doing! From the article (which you obviously did not bother to read):

    858 immigrants from countries “of concern to national security” were mistakenly granted citizenship in the last few months, bypassing the scrutiny of immigration and customs agencies with forged documents.

    The Inspector General’s report exposed the fact that the FBI’s fingerprint database was woefully incomplete, allowing immigrants to enter the United States without being properly identified.
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

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    aren't all refugees "terrorist refugees"?

    If they weren't terrorized they wouldn't flee.
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    25-29% of French Muslims believe Sharia law should supercede french, secular law. So 1/3 of muslim refugees are/going to be terrorists or terrorist sympathizers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alucard13mm View Post
    25-29% of French Muslims believe Sharia law should supercede french, secular law. So 1/3 of muslim refugees are/going to be terrorists or terrorist sympathizers.
    100% of refugees eat falafel. So none of them will eat pizza, hotdogs or apple pie.

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    People who do not eat hot dogs could be untrustworthy , secretly they are probably working to tax your meat .



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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    People who do not eat hot dogs could be untrustworthy , secretly they are probably working to tax your meat .

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Those are pretty good .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    LOL And what a bang-up job they're doing! From the article (which you obviously did not bother to read):
    Those aren't refugees.

    The author put two entirely different issues together in the same article in the hopes that readers like you would conflate the two into a single topic. And it worked!
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Those aren't refugees.

    The author put two entirely different issues together in the same article in the hopes that readers like you would conflate the two into a single topic. And it worked!
    That was my take, as well.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    That was my take, as well.
    This is one of the errors in the Trumpian narrative imho. The refugee system is actually extremely strict, and has a very good record as to who it lets in. Vastly better than any other method of immigration. But... because brown Syrians ooga booga, let me scare you with these refugees over here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    The vetting process takes about two years or more on average. No process can be 100% fool proof. We have considerably more citizens killing people than Muslim immigrants killing people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The vetting process takes about two years or more on average. No process can be 100% fool proof. We have considerably more citizens killing people than Muslim immigrants killing people.
    Just go away.

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    Why?

    Heritage gives a summary: http://www.heritage.org/research/com...-process-works

    So what does the refugee vetting process look like?

    First, most applicants apply for refuge through the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, or UNHCR. The office then forwards some applications to the U.S. State Department, which prepares these applications for adjudication by Department of Homeland Security's U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

    Once an applicant is referred to the State Department, biometric and biographic checks are done against various U.S. security databases at multiple points throughout the process.

    Multiple agencies systems and databases are incorporated in this process, including:

    The State Department

    _Consular Lookout and Support System

    _Consular Consolidated Database

    Department of Homeland Security

    _TECS (a DHS security system)

    _DHS Automated Biometric Identification System

    National Counterterrorism Center/FBI's Terrorist Screening Center

    _Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment

    _Terrorist Screening Database

    Federal Bureau of Investigation

    _Extracts of the National Crime Information Center's Wanted Persons File, Immigration Violator File, Foreign Fugitive File, Violent Gang and Terrorist Organization File (and the Interstate Identification Index)

    _Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification System / Next Generation Identification

    Interpol

    Drug Enforcement Administration

    Department of Defense

    _Automated Biometric Identification System

    In addition, the refugee process requires a security advisory opinion to be completed by the FBI and the intelligence community on many refugee applicants who are considered higher risk. Similarly, interagency checks are constantly being done in connection with a wide range of U.S. agencies.

    In additional to these background checks, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services conducts a refugee interview. These interviews cover everything from refugee and immigration matters to security and country specific questions.

    For example, Syrian refugee officers must undergo a one week training course on Syria-specific issues, including classified information. Additional scrutiny is already being applied to Syrians through the enhanced review for Syrian applicants process that puts additional security and intelligence resources at the disposal of adjudicators.

    Only at this point can an application be approved. For those that are approved, health screenings and orientations begin. The State Department and Office of Refugee Resettlement within the Department of Health and Human Services work with voluntary resettlement agencies to arrange for resettlement services and assistance.

    After an average of 12-18 months, this process ends with entry into the U.S. According to the Department of Homeland Security, of the approximately 23,000 Syrian referrals made by the U.N. High Commissioner on Refugees to the U.S., only about 2,000 have been accepted. The U.S. refugee system can be, should be, and is being picky at who we allow to enter the U.S. as a refugee.

    The U.S. has made constant improvements to the program, learning from mistakes such as when in 2009, two Iraqi terrorists were caught in the U.S. after slipping through the vetting process. It is worth noting that these are the only two individuals who slipped through the screening process

    Is it enough? Is our government doing adequate due diligence? These are the key questions.

    That's why the best recommendation for Congress right now is to demand detailed information from the administration on how risks are being mitigated. The administration should remain selective in the refugees it accepts, focusing on those applicants about whom the U.S. has an acceptable amount of intelligence.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 09-24-2016 at 12:00 AM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The vetting process takes about two years or more on average. No process can be 100% fool proof. We have considerably more citizens killing people than Muslim immigrants killing people.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Just go away.
    There's nothing Zippy wrote that is incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    There's nothing Zippy wrote that is incorrect.
    More than 800 immigrants mistakenly granted citizenship
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ed-citizenship

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    Not disproving anything I posted. I also repeated that they said no system is perfect. From that press conference:

    But Hakim added, "The fact that fingerprint records in these cases may have been incomplete at the time of the naturalization interview does not necessarily mean that the applicant was in fact granted naturalization, or that the applicant obtained naturalization fraudulently."But Hakim added, "The fact that fingerprint records in these cases may have been incomplete at the time of the naturalization interview does not necessarily mean that the applicant was in fact granted naturalization, or that the applicant obtained naturalization fraudulently."
    There is also no claim that any of the 800 are believed to be terrorists.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 09-24-2016 at 01:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    More than 800 immigrants mistakenly granted citizenship
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ed-citizenship
    Re-read the quoted post. There is noting to dispute.

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    Invade the world, invite the world. Yeah, it's going to turn out swell. Just swell!

    Forget that the Empire has been bombing the ME for decades, pissing them off and creating more enemies for the west. They'll get over it once they're here, I'm sure. Dirt is magic!

    the killing of civilians, although unintentional, angers other civilians and prompts them to seek revenge. This should be self-evident.

    The Central Intelligence Agency has long acknowledged and analyzed the concept of blowback in our foreign policy. It still amazes me that so many think that attacks against our soldiers occupying hostile foreign lands are motivated by hatred toward our system of government at home or by the religion of the attackers. In fact, most of the anger towards us is rooted in reactions towards seeing their mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers and other loved ones being killed by a foreign army. No matter our intentions, the violence of our militarism in foreign lands causes those residents to seek revenge if innocents are killed. One does not have to be Muslim to react this way, just human.
    Do the globalists geniuses know which branch of Islam these refugees follow?





    And do any persecuted Christians get to come, or would the Empire's proxy war on Christians preclude that invite?

    Bottom line, the Empire is inviting problems, but maybe that's the point.
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Those aren't refugees.

    The author put two entirely different issues together in the same article in the hopes that readers like you would conflate the two into a single topic. And it worked!
    TIIC are still actively importing people from countries “of concern to national security,” and who might well hate our guts, and rightly so. And unlike ineducable progs, I don't believe the government is competent at anything (other than theft and killing).

    Which federal behemoth do you work for again?

    On Wednesday, State Department spokesman John Kirby finally acknowledged a well-known truth: ISIS is attempting to infiltrate the United States via the Obama administration’s refugee resettlement program.

    "I wouldn't debate the fact that there's the potential for ISIS terrorists to try to insert themselves, and we see that in some of the refugee camps in Jordan and in Turkey, where they try to insert themselves into the population," Kirby told the hosts of "Fox and Friends.”

    Many of the refugees the US plans on accepting are supposedly “vetted” at these very refugee camps in Jordan and Turkey.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    This is one of the errors in the Trumpian narrative imho. The refugee system is actually extremely strict, and has a very good record as to who it lets in. Vastly better than any other method of immigration. But... because brown Syrians ooga booga, let me scare you with these refugees over here.
    You see racism everywhere! Is that why Rand Paul opposes this madness? Because he's racist? It's really not because they're brown, you race-baiting globalist prog. -repped and reported for false accusations of racism.
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    More than 800 immigrants mistakenly granted citizenship
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ed-citizenship

    $#@!'s sake. This was addressed earlier in the thread.

    Refugees are immigrants but not all immigrants are refugees. The refugee vetting process is long and extensive. The normal immigration process is not. It is two entirely different systems.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    Invade the world, invite the world. Yeah, it's going to turn out swell. Just swell!

    Forget that the Empire has been bombing the ME for decades, pissing them off and creating more enemies for the west. They'll get over it once they're here, I'm sure. Dirt is magic!
    When you get proven wrong just change the subject I guess.



    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    And do any persecuted Christians get to come, or would the Empire's proxy war on Christians preclude that invite?
    You could take 5 seconds out of your life and do a Google search rather than just imagining how things are:

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    TIIC are still actively importing people from countries “of concern to national security,” and who might well hate our guts, and rightly so.
    Good thing that's all part of the vetting process that you somehow managed not to read despite the fact that it was posted in this very thread.

    Just because the county is "of concern to national security" doesn't mean that the people are.


    Side note, "of concern to national security" is a completely bull$#@! phrase. How, exactly, are the countries of Syria or Libya posing a concern to the security of the United States? I would love to know.



    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    Which federal behemoth do you work for again?
    Says the person who is falling hook, line, and sinker for the MIC premise that these countries are of concern to us. Pot, kettle, I believe you two know each other.



    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    You see racism everywhere! Is that why Rand Paul opposes this madness? Because he's racist? It's really not because they're brown, you race-baiting globalist prog. -repped and reported for false accusations of racism.
    Rand Paul doesn't oppose it. He proposed a review of it. Entirely different. If you could be bothered to actually read the bill you would know that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.



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    Just because the county is "of concern to national security" doesn't mean that the people are.

    Side note, "of concern to national security" is a completely bull$#@! phrase. How, exactly, are the countries of Syria or Libya posing a concern to the security of the United States? I would love to know.
    Killary and Obama destroyed Libya and Syria, and that includes the people in them.

    "One does not have to be Muslim to react this way, just human."

    INVADE THE WORLD, INVITE THE WORLD is madness.

    You, of course, are welcome to believe whatever makes you feel self-righteous and happy.
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

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    And here we were told by the globalist tools how the refugee screening process is even more stringent. SJWs always lie!

    http://goodlatte.house.gov/news/docu...DocumentID=681

    [The] Refugee Program is particularly vulnerable to fraud due to loose evidentiary requirements where at times the testimony of an applicant alone is sufficient for approval. As a result, a range of bad actors, who use manufactured histories, biographies and other false statements, as well as produce and submit fictitious supporting documentation, have exploited this program.

    Refugee fraud is easy to commit, yet not easy to investigate [because] [r]efugee laws purposefully contain relaxed evidentiary requirements . . . , Refugee applications do not require sponsorship of a third party, such as a relative or employer, [and] Refugee claims are typically made in areas of the world where it is difficult to investigate the veracity of the claim.
    Cui bono? The MIC, and the police state, that's who.
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

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    The usual bunch of useful idiots is trying to defend the indefensible.
    Last edited by timosman; 09-26-2016 at 01:07 AM.

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    They declared me to be a terrorist years ago.

    http://pcosmar.blogspot.com/2009/03/...terrorist.html

    The enemy of my enemy might just be a friend I haven't met yet.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    What crime were they mostly in jail for? 65% were in jail for not having the proper papers- not because they committed any real crimes which harmed anybody. http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf

    Sixty-five percent of the 249,000 criminal aliens in our study population
    were arrested at least once for either a civil or criminal immigration
    violation.
    The two types of arrests typically lead to different outcomes:
    arrests for civil immigration violations are for the purpose of placing
    individuals into removal proceedings, whereas arrests for criminal
    violations can lead to criminal prosecution.
    It also noted:

    There are no reliable population data on criminal aliens incarcerated
    in all state prison systems and local jails.
    Further, the criminal alien population as a percentage of the total fed
    inmate population has remained relatively constant since 2001.

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