Charlotte Police Shooting and Aftermath

[devil21]

If anyone cares, I have a few thoughts after participating in today's march through uptown Charlotte. It was great to see people exercising 1st Amendment actions. The crowd was very diverse and the media doesn't seem interested in showing that angle. The cameras were there for the very beginning of the march and the very end. The media opted-out of the rest of it.

The cognitive dissonance on display made my head feel like exploding, however. For example, electoral politics was inserted some. Like signs saying to oust Republican Gov. McCrory. Ok fine. But his challenger is Roy Cooper, the Attorney General that hasn't prosecuted the very cops you are protesting against! So replace one guy that doesn't have the direct ability to prosecute with the guy that has the direct ability but has refused to? Great logic there. Still firmly caught in the false left-right, I see. Also, a handful of people pushing communism, while protesting against the elites that are working toward global socialism. Useful idiot methinks you are, sir. Then there's the speeches about fighting "the state" that are followed up by demands for free healthcare from the state. Huh? Then breaking into a chant about how "we can take care of ourselves". Talk about not having a cogent train of thought. No wonder people are confused. The entire march went right past the Charlotte Federal Reserve branch and not a one even looked at it sideways. The Fed didn't even bother to have cops or national guard guarding the doors. Even the hotels had security out front. Fed? Nope. That shows that they know just how misdirected and uninformed even the most vocal and active of protestors are. No clue who's really pulling the strings. Or the giant obelisk we passed prominently placed in front of the District Attorney's office. Must just be there for decoration

Any way, it was an experience, a very peaceful march and was nice to see people giving a $#@! about something at a time where it seems to me that people are overall being worn down by everything lately. We'll see what happens once the body and dash cam vids are released sometime today. The police chief's press conference to announce the release was already trying to tie in marijuana and gun possession as subtle excuses for cops to shoot people. "He had marijuana and a gun....so yeah good shoot."

[Danke]

Did you go see Joe Biggs from Info Wars?

[Working Poor]

trying to tie in marijuana and gun possession as subtle excuses for cops to shoot people. "He had marijuana and a gun....so yeah good shoot."

I can assure you it has happened many times. Don't forget the reason the drug war began was to be able to perceive people of color and people against the wars as the enemy.

[devil21]

Did you go see Joe Biggs from Info Wars?

I did not. Like I said, media didn't seem very interested in the march itself. I guess their AC'ed sat vans and hotel rooms beat walking on asphalt in 90 degree heat. Plus there's no one breaking anything and the crowd is too diverse to spin a racial narrative so who cares.

Vids are out and they don't look good. I have the suspicion that this is going to be spun into a gun control narrative by the pols.

[Krugminator2]

If anyone cares, I have a few thoughts after participating in today's march through uptown Charlotte. It was great to see people exercising 1st Amendment actions. The crowd was very diverse and the media doesn't seem interested in showing that angle. The cameras were there for the very beginning of the march and the very end. The media opted-out of the rest of it.

What were you protesting? A career criminal, who just got out a seven year prison sentence for assault with a deadly weapon, who illegally possessed a weapon, refused to put a gun down when police ordered him to, ended up getting shot. The guy had an assault with an intent to kill in the 90s and a couple other stints in jail.

None of the story the family put out about him holding a book was true. He wasn't a family man. I am surprised they didn't call him an honors student while he was in elementary school. He was a guy doing drugs supposedly picking up his kid from school.

The police are often wrong. That doesn't mean they are always wrong. Lately, most of the cases that stir up riots are where the police acted correctly.

[devil21]

What were you protesting? A career criminal, who just got out a seven year prison sentence for assault with a deadly weapon, who illegally possessed a weapon, refused to put a gun down when police ordered him to, ended up getting shot. The guy had an assault with an intent to kill in the 90s and a couple other stints in jail.

None of the story the family put out about him holding a book was true. He wasn't a family man. I am surprised they didn't call him an honors student while he was in elementary school. He was a guy doing drugs supposedly picking up his kid from school.

The police are often wrong. That doesn't mean they are always wrong. Lately, most of the cases that stir up riots are where the police acted correctly.

Perhaps you should reread my posts and rethink what you wrote above. Are you sure you're on the right forum? Your post sounds very trollish. Any way, I was clear that I wasn't protesting anything in particular, just taking in the experience as an observer, though we do have a whole RPF subforum devoted to police issues that was active long before the media gave a rat's ass about any of this stuff.

Now, to the contents of your post. Assuming this isn't a big psyop production like so many of the other 'shooting events' passed off by the media as real (I'm not convinced but ymmv). Personally, I don't care if the guy had a record. That wouldn't give the police the right to shoot him. The videos released today do not show him holding a gun, much less pointing one. His hands are clearly empty upon exiting the SUV and that is plainly obvious against the white background of the SUV. I don't care what his history was.

Now, for some perspective into why all of this is happening, I suggest people watch/listen to this video. It was revealed in the 90's by Bill Cooper and has been building up to this point for a long time.

[Brian4Liberty]

If anyone cares, I have a few thoughts after participating in today's march through uptown Charlotte. It was great to see people exercising 1st Amendment actions. The crowd was very diverse and the media doesn't seem interested in showing that angle. The cameras were there for the very beginning of the march and the very end. The media opted-out of the rest of it.

The cognitive dissonance on display made my head feel like exploding, however. For example, electoral politics was inserted some. Like signs saying to oust Republican Gov. McCrory. Ok fine. But his challenger is Roy Cooper, the Attorney General that hasn't prosecuted the very cops you are protesting against! So replace one guy that doesn't have the direct ability to prosecute with the guy that has the direct ability but has refused to? Great logic there. Still firmly caught in the false left-right, I see. Also, a handful of people pushing communism, while protesting against the elites that are working toward global socialism. Useful idiot methinks you are, sir. Then there's the speeches about fighting "the state" that are followed up by demands for free healthcare from the state. Huh? Then breaking into a chant about how "we can take care of ourselves". Talk about not having a cogent train of thought. No wonder people are confused. The entire march went right past the Charlotte Federal Reserve branch and not a one even looked at it sideways. The Fed didn't even bother to have cops or national guard guarding the doors. Even the hotels had security out front. Fed? Nope. That shows that they know just how misdirected and uninformed even the most vocal and active of protestors are. No clue who's really pulling the strings. Or the giant obelisk we passed prominently placed in front of the District Attorney's office. Must just be there for decoration

Any way, it was an experience, a very peaceful march and was nice to see people giving a $#@! about something at a time where it seems to me that people are overall being worn down by everything lately. We'll see what happens once the body and dash cam vids are released sometime today. The police chief's press conference to announce the release was already trying to tie in marijuana and gun possession as subtle excuses for cops to shoot people. "He had marijuana and a gun....so yeah good shoot."

Very much consistent with my experiences in the real world. People contradict themselves constantly. "Get us money, get us stuff!" "Cut taxes, why do you spend so much!" "Stop police harassment, crack down on those people over there!" "Give us affordable housing, get rid of traffic jams, let more immigrants come here!"

And then there is the media, who ignore everything and then show up to get footage that matches their agenda, even if they have to stage it themselves.

[sdsubball23]

Now, to the contents of your post. Assuming this isn't a big psyop production like so many of the other 'shooting events' passed off by the media as real (I'm not convinced but ymmv). Personally, I don't care if the guy had a record. That wouldn't give the police the right to shoot him. The videos released today do not show him holding a gun, much less pointing one. His hands are clearly empty upon exiting the SUV and that is plainly obvious against the white background of the SUV. I don't care what his history was.

The body cam video shows what could be a gun holster on Keith's ankle. The PD released a photo of the holster. To me this means there was a higher chance of Keith having a gun. I don't think the videos are clear enough to know whether he had a gun in his hands or not. It's possible he had one in his hands and was making nonverbal movements that led the officer to feel threatened which eventually led to the shooting.

Why didn't Keith listen to the officer to drop the gun if he had one? Why didn't Keith raise his arms in the air to surrender?

I'm not saying the officer should've shot him, I wish there was a way to diffuse the situation without shooting him.

[puppetmaster]

The body cam video shows what could be a gun holster on Keith's ankle. The PD released a photo of the holster. To me this means there was a higher chance of Keith having a gun. I don't think the videos are clear enough to know whether he had a gun in his hands or not. It's possible he had one in his hands and was making nonverbal movements that led the officer to feel threatened which eventually led to the shooting.

Why didn't Keith listen to the officer to drop the gun if he had one? Why didn't Keith raise his arms in the air to surrender?

I'm not saying the officer should've shot him, I wish there was a way to diffuse the situation without shooting him.

Maybe he was stoned and unable to think clearly

[sdsubball23]

Maybe he was stoned and unable to think clearly

That is a possibility.

What if he had the gun in his hand and due to his intoxication randomly shot it at someone or at an inanimate object? There could've been a threat we couldn't see ourselves in the videos that the officers saw.

Maybe the officers perceived it incorrectly and misinterpreted his actions.

They said there are more videos. Maybe those videos may give us a better idea.

[pcosmar]

That is a possibility.

What if he had the gun in his hand and due to his intoxication randomly shot it at someone or at an inanimate object? There could've been a threat we couldn't see ourselves in the videos that the officers saw.

Now we are at "What if" as an excuse to end someones life.

I am betting there was no gun. and the Cops Feared because that is the type of cowards that they are.

If there was a gun visible in his hand the photos would have been front page days ago.

[silverhandorder]

There was a gun, there were his finger prints. They wanted to leave him alone but he pointed the gun at them earlier. So this is the outcome.

[pcosmar]

There was a gun, there were his finger prints. They wanted to leave him alone but he pointed the gun at them earlier. So this is the outcome.

Oh, So full of $#@!.


No gun, no clear threat in Keith Scott police videos
https://sfbay.ca/2016/09/24/no-gun-n...police-videos/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/24/us/cha...hooting-video/

Putney had said, before the videos were released, that "there is no definitive visual evidence that he had a gun in his hand."

http://www.news-gazette.com/2016-09-...tims-hand.html

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Videos released Saturday do not show Keith Lamont Scott raising a weapon toward officers nor a gun in his hand.

The videos, from a police dashboard camera and a body camera, capture the confrontation Tuesday in which an officer repeatedly orders Scott to drop his gun.

[John F Kennedy III]

There was a gun, there were his finger prints. They wanted to leave him alone but he pointed the gun at them earlier. So this is the outcome.

Proof?

[silverhandorder]

Proof?

Police said so.

[pcosmar]

Police said so.

Police Lie.

a lot.

[silverhandorder]

Police Lie.

a lot.

So do activists.

[pcosmar]

So do activists.

was it an "activist" that shot the unarmed (video evidence) man?

or was it a Cop?

[Brian4Liberty]

The gun was visible on the ground right after they shot him. It's even visible in the wife's video.

There is no video of him raising it or pointing it, and it doesn't seem that he actually did that. His hand was down, but apparently holding the pistol. If this picture is exactly how it was when it fell to the ground, it looks like it was cocked and ready to fire. They probably didn't have to shoot him at that point, and may have been able to talk him down, but that's a bad situation.

[TheTexan]

Police said so.

Good enough proof for me. +rep

[Brian4Liberty]

The Intercept corrected themselves after first reporting that the gun could not be seen in video:

Correction: September 23, 2016

An earlier version of this report, and its first headline, incorrectly stated that no gun was visible in the video recorded by Keith Scott’s wife. While the images are not definitive, it appears possible that glimpses of an object identified by the police as a gun can be seen.
...
http://theintercept.com/2016/09/23/n...ter-killing-2/

[enhanced_deficit]

Hypothetical question in the aftermath of this emotional episode.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMs8Ut8Ulrs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWKG6ZmgAX4

If Obama at next democratic bigwigs gathering joked about guns used by cops instead of drones under Obama's command, would his joke be received in same way by his supporters or differently?


Related

Is the ongoing Surge of Police State in America a Surge of Karma?

[RJB]

Good enough proof for me. +rep

Very wise. People get dangerous when they believe their own eyes instead of the word of authority.

[John F Kennedy III]

Police said so.

Proof?

[Krugminator2]

was it an "activist" that shot the unarmed (video evidence) man?

or was it a Cop?

He was armed. Nobody disputes that. His prints and blood were on the gun. "Tests revealed Keith Scott's fingerprints, DNA and blood were on a gun recovered at Tuesday’s officer-involved shooting scene, police sources told Channel 9 reporter Mark Becker."

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/sources-keith-scotts-fingerprints-dna-blood-found-on-gun-at-charlotte-police-shooting-scene/449405173

He wasn't some innocent guy. He was doing drugs while he was waiting for one of his seven kids. There were a lot of people around the scene. The police did not just shoot a random guy for fun. He is a guy with a weapon who wouldn't surrender. The police are in an impossible situation dealing with these idiots. If they let their guard down for a second the guy can shoot them. They are on edge in a standoff where the guy is choosing to have a confrontation. People get shot in those situations. I have no sympathy whatsoever for this guy given the evidence. There is an easy way to avoid this. Don't pull a gun on the police. It isn't hard.

"While living in South Carolina in the 1990s, he was charged with a number of offenses including check fraud, aggravated assault and carrying a concealed weapon. Later, he moved to Texas where he shot and wounded a man in San Antonio in 2002, for which he was convicted and sentenced, in 2005, to seven years in prison. He was released in 2011." http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/23/us/charlotte-shooting-keith-scott.html?_r=1
Sounds a guy just reading Human Action and minding his own business while the mean old stater police thugs took his life.

[John F Kennedy III]

Video evidence he had a gun or GTFO. Police are not above planting evidence.

[pcosmar]

He was armed. Nobody disputes that.

I do not care if he was armed.

THAT IS A HUMAN RIGHT

He did not threaten police nor anyone else.
Video shows NO THREAT.

I do not care if the gun fell out of it's holster or was dropped by someone else.

It is not a reason to assault and kill a man waiting for his children.

[Ender]

The Intercept corrected themselves after first reporting that the gun could not be seen in video:

The angle is completely wrong from the blurred shot of the gun on the ground & the shot of where the cop is actually standing.

[Krugminator2]

I do not care if the gun fell out of it's holster or was dropped by someone else.

For my own curiosity, do you believe OJ Simpson was innocent? If you aren't sure if he is guilty or innocent, do you believe the story about the police planting blood could have happened and that OJ could (greater than 1% chance) have been framed ?

[pcosmar]

For my own curiosity, do you believe OJ Simpson was innocent? If you aren't sure if he is guilty or innocent, do you believe the story about the police planting blood could have happened and that OJ could (greater than 1% chance) have been framed ?

I believe that the planted evidence was but one bungle of incompetent police,, who should have investigated before jumping to conclusions.

I also have a general distrust in both the Government and the Police.. Both have proven themselves to be dishonest and a threat to Liberty.

I always assume they are lying until proven otherwise.