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    Last Month of Uncensored Web?

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/congress...net-1473630838

    Congress Can Save the Internet
    The White House will end U.S. oversight at month’s end, unless lawmakers step in.

    President Obama wants this to be the last month of an open, uncensored internet guaranteed by the U.S. government. His plan to end American stewardship would hand new power to authoritarian governments offended by the internet as we know it.

    The good news is it appears congressional leaders have agreed to rescue the internet in time to prevent the Sept. 30 expiration of U.S. oversight. Sen. Ted Cruz, who has pushed hard against the plan since it was announced two years ago, told me last week he’s “cautiously optimistic” legislators will block it through a rider to the federal budget: “The basic proposition of keeping the internet free has united Republicans across the spectrum and should also unite Democrats with Republicans.”

    Top Senate and House Republicans have signaled they will ensure U.S. oversight continues to protect the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, or Icann, and its stakeholders. The leaders of the four congressional committees that oversee the internet—Sen. John Thune and Rep. Fred Upton (Commerce) and Sen. Chuck Grassley and Rep. Bob Goodlatte (Judiciary)—sent a detailed letter last week to Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker and Attorney General Loretta Lynch: “This irreversible decision could result in a less transparent and accountable internet governance regime or provide an opportunity for an enhanced role for authoritarian nation-states.” They focused on several fatal problems with the Obama plan:

    Several countries are committed to ending Icann’s status as a U.S. legal entity, which would invalidate its legal protections. “The matter of jurisdiction alone raises questions,” the legislators wrote. “These critically important jurisdictional issues cannot wait for resolution after the transition occurs.”

    Icann’s monopoly over the root zone of domain names earns it hundreds of millions of dollars in annual revenues. Icann should not become an unregulated monopoly. “We have serious concerns about the ability to ensure that Icann would follow its own bylaws” absent oversight, the lawmakers wrote. An unregulated monopoly is more dangerous than a monopoly regulated by the U.S.

    The legislators also rejected the claim of Icann’s general counsel, in a letter in today’s Wall Street Journal, that Icann never had an antitrust exemption. They cited a federal appeals court decision in 2000 finding antitrust immunity arising from operating the root zone under the U.S. government contract. That’s important because authoritarian governments would argue Icann could only regain antitrust exemption by joining the United Nations or another government-led organization. The lawmakers found it “troubling” that Obama administration lawyers failed even to ask what happens to Icann’s antitrust status if the U.S. contract ends.

    The Constitution says Congress must approve the sale of government property. The Icann contract is government property worth billions of dollars, yet the Obama administration has ignored the requirement to seek congressional approval. “Absent clear legal certainty, moving forward with the transition could have devastating consequences for internet users,” the legislators write, because litigation would create questions about who has authority to award and manage internet addresses.

    Each of these objections is enough to retain U.S. oversight, but the broader point is that the internet ain’t broke and doesn’t need fixing. Icann’s stakeholders—developers, engineers, network operators and entrepreneurs—are free to operate an open internet because U.S. protection prevents Moscow, Beijing, Tehran and other authoritarian regimes from meddling. The Obama administration may not be comfortable with American exceptionalism, but the internet fosters free speech and innovation because it was built in the image of the U.S.

    The administration has been reduced to arguing that having been promised an end to U.S. oversight, other countries will now be upset if this doesn’t happen. Too bad. Why make authoritarians happy by giving them the power to censor websites globally, including in the U.S.?

    Sen. Cruz observed it was interesting that the Obama plan “doesn’t have much in the way of outspoken Democratic support,” though the Democratic platform supports the Obama handover, which the Republican platform opposes. It would be fascinating if internet freedom became an issue in the presidential election.

    One of the first people to object to the Obama plan was Bill Clinton, whose administration created the system of U.S. stewardship of the internet in the 1990s. Soon after the plan was announced in 2014, Mr. Clinton warned: “A lot of people who have been trying to take this authority away from the U.S. want to do it for the sole purpose of cracking down on Internet freedom and limiting it and having governments protect their backsides instead of empower their people.”

    What does Mrs. Clinton think?
    quoted in entirety as it is WSJ and they have a stupid firewall that is destroying their views cause they are $#@!ing dinosaurs and do not have a clue



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    It's an op-ed, and it's essentially lying. This change would mean that the US no longer "owns" the internet (as much as anyone can). The rest is hogwash.
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Clinton will make Gore Net Czar and he will own the net , you heard it here first .

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    U.S. tech firms urge Congress to allow internet domain changeover

    https://www.yahoo.com/tech/u-tech-fi...--finance.html

    Major technology companies including Facebook, Google and Twitter are urging Congress to support a plan for the U.S. government to cede control of the internet's technical management to the global community, they said in a joint letter dated on Tuesday.

    The U.S. Commerce Department has primary oversight of the internet's management, largely because it was invented in the United States. Some Republican lawmakers are trying to block the handover to global stakeholders, which include businesses, tech experts and public interest advocates, saying it could stifle online freedom by giving voting rights to authoritarian governments.

    The years-long plan to transfer oversight of the nonprofit Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, or ICANN, is scheduled to occur on Oct. 1 unless Congress votes to block the handover. The California-based corporation operates the database for domain names such as .com and .net and their corresponding numeric addresses that allow computers to connect.

    In the Sept. 13 letter, a copy of which had been reviewed by Reuters before it was sent, the technology companies said it was "imperative" that Congress does not delay the transition.

    "A global, interoperable and stable Internet is essential for our economic and national security, and we remain committed to completing the nearly twenty year transition to the multi stakeholder model that will best serve U.S. interests," the letter said.

    Other signatories include Amazon, Cloudflare, Yahoo and several technology trade organizations.

    Former presidential hopeful Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, who leads the opposition against the handover, will hold a congressional hearing on Wednesday to review the transition, which he has criticized as a "giveaway of our internet freedom."

    Tech companies, technical experts and academics have said the transition is overdue and necessary to keep the Internet open and globally oriented, and that the proposal includes safeguards against any potential abuse by any one country

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    It's an op-ed, and it's essentially lying. This change would mean that the US no longer "owns" the internet (as much as anyone can). The rest is hogwash.
    What it does change is who is responsible for the internet "phone book"- the list of web domain names and their addresses. There is no change in censorship or access. And actually there will be no change- ICANN has been running it for years though technically the US was in charge of it. They still will be running it.

    https://www.engadget.com/2016/08/18/...et-in-october/

    US government cedes control of the internet in October


    ICANN is set to take over the web's domain name system.

    On October 1st, the US Government's National Telecommunications and Information Administration will hand over control of the internet's domain name system to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), a "multi-stakeholder" nonprofit organization. While the change will be invisible to the billions of internet users out there, starting in October, the US government will no longer control what some call the internet's "phone book."

    The domain name system works by associating a web address or URL with a site's IP address, and it is crucial to the way the modern web works. Since 1998, the NTIA and ICANN have had a zero-cost contract in place that gives the US government the authority over the system, although the government's role was largely symbolic. Technically, the Obama administration has agreed not to renew the contract, which expires on September 30th. ICANN, a California-based group made up of representatives from tech giants, foreign governments and other "interested parties," actually began the process of finally taking over the reins when it detailed its transition plan last year.

    Again, regular users won't notice a difference in their internet come October, but the switch isn't without controversy. In the past, some have argued the US should maintain control in order to prevent foreign governments from censoring their citizens. More recently, however, the Obama administration and the tech community believe it is a necessary move to maintain international support for the internet and a decentralized governing body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    It's an op-ed, and it's essentially lying. This change would mean that the US no longer "owns" the internet (as much as anyone can). The rest is hogwash.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    What it does change is who is responsible for the internet "phone book"- the list of web domain names and their addresses. There is no change in censorship or access. And actually there will be no change- ICANN has been running it for years though technically the US was in charge of it. They still will be running it.

    https://www.engadget.com/2016/08/18/...et-in-october/
    The resident Globalists telling

    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    The resident Globalists telling
    As insightful as always, thank you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Major technology companies including Facebook, Google and Twitter are urging Congress to support a plan for the U.S. government to cede control of the internet's technical management to the global community, they said in a joint letter dated on Tuesday.
    If those assenholes are in favor of it, then I am opposed.

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    And while the resident apologists, represented in this thread by zip and The Count, are probably correct on technical terms, the day will come, sooner rather than later, when web content is censored, based on fine print buried in the next round of globalist "trade deals".

    As someone whose has to devote half my working day to UN mandated compliance efforts, I know of what I speak.

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    Russia and China restrict access to websites which disagree with the government positions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Russia and China restrict access to websites which disagree with the government positions.
    That will become more popular with govt.'s everywhere as we go on .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And while the resident apologists, represented in this thread by zip and The Count, are probably correct on technical terms, the day will come, sooner rather than later, when web content is censored, based on fine print buried in the next round of globalist "trade deals".

    As someone whose has to devote half my working day to UN mandated compliance efforts, I know of what I speak.
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    "An unregulated monopoly is more dangerous than a monopoly regulated by the U.S."

    Oh, grab the popcorn. The globalist want to destroy this nation piece by piece. And they will succeed, because the people of this land wallow in gluttony, slothfulness, and envy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And while the resident apologists, represented in this thread by zip and The Count, are probably correct on technical terms, the day will come, sooner rather than later, when web content is censored, based on fine print buried in the next round of globalist "trade deals".

    As someone whose has to devote half my working day to UN mandated compliance efforts, I know of what I speak.
    http://regated.com/2016/08/oct-1-oba...ower-internet/

    Authoritarian regimes have already proposed Icann become part of the U.N. to make it easier for them to censor the internet globally.
    United Nations control over ICANN could inflame global speech debates because internet speech might become governed by countries like Saudi Arabia or China. The ‘free speech’ culture of America may diminish to a diplomatic suggestion as a result. The greatest free speech platform might die due to global diplomatic gridlock.
    [...]
    First of all, the management and oversight of ICANN has been a failure. It’s almost ridiculous to expect the United Nations to improve this. Totalitarian countries would be the most noteworthy problem. Who expects Saudi Arabian domain registrants be kinder to .gay domain applicants than corrupt ICANN staff?

    ICANN has already abused its antitrust exemption and it seems the United Nations will gain control on October 1. Would the United Nations clean the corruption or add to it, because powerful nations would gain influence over global speech. Saudi Arabia is especially relevant due to its execution of gays and oppression of women. Should they be given power to censor and regulate our internet?
    The resident globalist progs in this thread obviously think so.
    Last edited by Lucille; 09-24-2016 at 01:02 PM.
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Russia and China restrict access to websites which disagree with the government positions.
    Then go move to Russia or China so we dont have to listen to your support of censorship. There, you WILL be filtered.
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  20. #17
    Where have I supported censorship?

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    what we need..
    is a free market response to this
    this looks like it could have potential
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_radio
    and the protocol is built into linux
    seems slow and is more like an old school bbs than the internet
    but with some free market ingenuity and growth it could get huge
    don't some of you guys have ham radios?

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    isn't there also some way to cluster network phones together?
    seem to remember something about cubans doing it

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaseyJones View Post
    isn't there also some way to cluster network phones together?
    seem to remember something about cubans doing it

    http://www.servalproject.org/
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    that's pretty cool
    shame it only made 4% of its indiegogo
    I would like to know more about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    If those assenholes are in favor of it, then I am opposed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And while the resident apologists, represented in this thread by zip and The Count, are probably correct on technical terms, the day will come, sooner rather than later, when web content is censored, based on fine print buried in the next round of globalist "trade deals".

    As someone whose has to devote half my working day to UN mandated compliance efforts, I know of what I speak.
    God, I hate being right so often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    It's an op-ed, and it's essentially lying.
    Pretty easy to see who is lying here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    There is no change in censorship or access. And actually there will be no change-
    Really now?
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
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    Zippy's posts are a great contribution.




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