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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardwatson View Post
    Well, what I'm really saying is that people feel righteous through this bill, when what it should do is remind them of their own crimes. Obama is aware, which is more than we can say for average American who thinks 9/11 forever sanctifies American exceptionalism.

    We shouldn't ignore the blood, but likely will, and thus destruction will likely come.
    Then it seems to me that this bill becoming law is exactly what we need. If more people knew that our CIA overthrew governments around the world repeatedly, perhaps a will to stop it would develop. Perhaps someone with some sense like Rand Paul would get nominated for president rather than the dipshits we currently have. Maybe just maybe people would renew their faith in the golden rule. Perhaps then America would return to the status of being admired around the world instead of being despised.

    With any luck this will result in Americans getting pissed at our government droning wedding parties.
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    Ron Paul: Secrecy held by the 9/11 Commission was atrocious

    Ron Paul: Secrecy held by the 9/11 Commission was atrocious

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    As if Obama cares if foreign countries want to sue the US; he wishes they could, for every grievance possible. I don't know what Obama's real reason for opposing this is. He doesn't seem likely to vacate in arab countries in retirement.
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    This is dangerously shocking:


    U. S. - Jihadists Relation, Part II: Waging Jihad to Defeat the Soviet Union

    Updated Sep 01, 2014

    Up until 1989, when the Soviet Union left Afghanistan, the CIA still had a positive view of bin Laden, viewing him as a wealthy Saudi Arabian who had fought with the Soviets in Afghanistan and had defeated them, and who must be greeted as a hero upon his return to Saudi Arabia. Sen. Orrin Hatch, a senior Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee that made those decisions, was reported saying that he would make the same call again today, even knowing what bin Laden would do subsequently. “It was worth it,” he said, adding, “Those were very important, pivotal matters that played an important role in the downfall of the Soviet Union.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/akbar-...b_5553529.html


    If BL were alive and above is factual, would he be used by same lobbies to fight against Russians in Syria?



    That said, CIA should have protection against lawsuits from family members.

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    Congress Gets "Case Of Rapid-Onset Buyer's Remorse" One Day After Passing 9/11 Bill
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...ssing-911-bill
    Apparently Congress will never learn that "passing a piece of legislation so you can see what's in it" is never a good strategy. It certainly didn't work out well with Obamacare and it looks to be backfiring with the controversial 9/11 bill as well with many members of Congress expressing remorse over supporting the bill just 1 day after overriding Obama's veto. Per The Hill, both Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell have expressed some concerns with the bill just 1 day after passing it:
    "We want to make sure the 9/11 victims and their families have their day in court," Ryan told reporters. "At the same time, I would like to think that there may be some work to be done to protect our service members overseas from any kind of legal ensnarements that occur, any kind of retribution."

    “Everybody was aware of who the potential beneficiaries were but nobody had really focused on the potential downside in terms of our international relationships, and I think it was just a ball dropped,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky told reporters Thursday, saying it was worth discussing possible fixes after the elections.

    “I don't think we had enough time to consider all of the ramifications,” Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), one of the bill’s co-sponsors, said on Tuesday. “It's a political issue that people jumped on without really thoroughly looking at everything.”
    Pointing out that members of Congress couldn't possibly be expected to read legislation or conduct any other form of due diligence on their own, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell blamed the White House. [...]

    As Jon Alterman, director of the Middle East program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, pointed out to the Washington Post, the biggest issue with the bill is that it opens the U.S. government up to "court-ordered discovery."
    CIA Director John O. Brennan also warned of the 9/11 bill’s “grave implications for the national security of the United States” in a statement Wednesday.

    Jon Alterman, director of the Middle East program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said in an interview that it could take time to grasp the bill’s full implications, and there may be “some time to tweak the law before some of the most damaging consequences become clear.”

    “But the biggest issue is that it opens up government agencies to court-ordered discovery,” Alterman said, adding that the federal government could face lawsuits from those who have been victims of drone strikes and other American military activities. “It’s not limited to Saudi Arabia, and it’s likely to have a much larger impact on the U.S. government than the Saudi government, because the U.S. government takes rules very seriously.”
    But we're not too concerned about the whole discovery issue...our high-ranking government officials have thoroughly demonstrated a masterful ability to circumvent federal subpoenas and destroy emails and other evidence with relative ease...BleachBit is about to get a lot more use.
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    ^^^^^
    They can always just repeal it if they think they made a mistake.

    But lol@Congress repealing a statute. When pigs fly.
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  9. #37
    Saudis won't pay 1 dime. They didn't do it.

    Even Tehran knows
    9/11 was US state-sponsored terrorism


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    ^^^^^
    Can't hang 9/11 on any particular country or entity. It was multiple intelligence entities working together. Mossad, CIA, Saudi intel, etc.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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