Yeah, I'll admit it. If you asked me, "what would you do about Aleppo?" without mentioning Syria, I wouldn't know what to say either. Shame on me perhaps, but I'm also not running for president. I don't expect the candidates to be experts, but they should have enough knowledge to make decisions.
Johnson fell into the same trap that Rand did in his first Senate run. Attempt to appeal to the Marxists on MSNBC, and they will viciously set you up, smear and attack you.
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"Just made" a fool of himself?Originally Posted by RonPaulFanInGA
They will just say he doesn't get the briefings the other candidate gets.
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That's no excuse. He can read the news, at least.
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Oh I agree, but they will make excuses for him because he is being used to divide. I am sure Romney will apologize for him.
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I should've explained myself better. I was mainly addressing people that think Trump is a better candidate than GJ.
Of course there's people that are much more libertarian than GJ. But Ayn Rand and Ron Paul are not running for President.
There's a lot of reasons not to vote for Gary Johnson. But don't tell me he's less of a libertarian than Trump or Clinton.
Johnson is not a Libertarian at all. He likes pot and all, but that doesn't make him a principled Libertarian. I will not be voting for him.
To be clear, I have stated that Johnson is not ready for campaigning, and he is certainly not ready to be President. Trump has improved his presentation dramatically, and that is specifically what I am addressing. For a guy who has no experience in politics, it is clear he workx hard and is still engaged in learning. That's not any kind of endorsement of the candidate or his message.
Big fan of Darrell Castle, here. Unfortunately the CP has a very weak campaign, and ballot access will be a problem this cycle.
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Not saying that it is not a misstep. It's definitely a "GOTCHA" moment. (Hillary just lies about it, and that's ok.)
But on election day, 85% of the people pulling the lever will not know where or what Aleppo is. 10% of the others learned about it today.
I'm sorry but ANYONE who has ANY FREAKING CLUE about what is happening in Syria knows what's happening in Aleppo. There are a dozen stories about Aleppo on any given news site dealing with foreign policy / war issues...
I don't give Johnson a pass for this. He should have known and he didn't.
I give him credit for his honesty during and after the fact. He immediately owned up to it. There was no bull$#@! spin (like people in this thread are trying to do) about "oh I thought he said "A Leppo" or something.... that would have been a Hillary answer.
Personally I think that is a net positive for him (for me), but for the massive twitter firestorm over the 'flap' I think this really hurts him.
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- Diogenes of SinopeIt is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
That's what advisors and morning briefings are for.
I am not a big Johnson fan, but I would rather a non-imterventionalist who didn't know what Aleppo is versus a warmonger who mistakenly thinks he or she does.
I just heard a little snippet on AP Radio News.
They said something along the lines of the libertarian presidential candidate claims he blanked when asked about a crisis in a war torn Syrian city. Then they played a clip of him asking for the clarification.
DO you see what they did there?
I'm not on Twitter, so I'm not involved in the firestorm. I just think a candidate for President should know that the refugee issue needs to be addressed. Ben Carson, who also has no experience in politics, actually went to Syria, to see for himself.
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Ugh, AP. I worked in radio for a long time. AP is the worst influence on society there is. With its incessant, innocuous, boring headlines, it deteriorates culture one drip at a time like Chinese water torture. Its nonprofit status needs to be yanked, like yesterday.
Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018
Yes, exactly. I'm not crazy about Johnson, but people shouldn't rake him over the coals for this. Gaffes happen to the best of us.
"Gary Johnson might not have known what Aleppo is, but he's the only one that's right on Syria." - my husband.
Also didn't help his cause among the mainstream media that he talks about working with Russia to solve the war. Had he said Russia illegal bombing of mderate head choppers were wrong, I bet the headlines would be much different this morning.
Darrell Castle might be better than Gary Johnson but the LP is better than the CP. The Constitution Party wants to prohibit stuff like gambling, pornography and drugs. The LP goal is to maximize liberty, the CP goal is to support God and the Constitution.
I dunno. The guy comes off weird asking this with no context making it feel like a gotcha question.
On the other hand, Gary is pushing to get in the debates, so it could also be argued he should be better prepped for $#@! like this.
Or at the very least, Gary should just turn questions like this on the news anchor by simply asking if they can be more specific. They could have asked, what as President would you do about Detroit? Can you be more specific please? Crime? The economy? Industry? Trade? Jobs? Assuming Gary has a limited time to answer any question he shouldn't have to fish around for answers on how to deal with a place that has many issues.
What you suggest would be done by a more poised and polished candidate. Johnson is not that. A question grabbed straight from the headlines is not a gotcha question.
And to the suggestion that the Libertarian party is better than the Constitution party is really absurd. Look who the Libertarians chose as their candidate. Look at their choices. They make no compelling argument for liberty unless that means an obese naked guy on the stage. Real leadership there.
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This should be totally unimportant. It bothers me a lot more that he doesn't know basic concepts of liberty. But Gary isn't on Jeopardy. This is minutia. This isn't the National Geography Bee. His philosophy for thinking about situations is much more important.
Donald Trump supports tariffs and Hillary Clinton doesn't think businesses create jobs. Those seem like bigger gotchas than not knowing some city in the Middle East that has nothing to do with the US.
It does matter in the larger context of world events when the nation in which that city is located suddenly demands the relocation of thousands of young muslim men of fighting age. No Christians and very few women and children are being sent to a neighborhood near you.
I'm with you on the rest. I have a feeling Trump's message is a warmed-over Clinton: Soak the rich. Except it's Soak China.
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It is not going to stop, his free pass on ignorance is over and he may as well drop out at this point. The anti-Trump establishment wants to make room for McMullin whom will fail to gain any traction but they will try anyway. They will take down other third party candidates to provide him as an alternative.
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The correct answer is: who gives a phuk
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why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
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Baptiste said.
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This is a blessing in disguise for Johnson. LP candidates are usually not treated as important enough by the media to have their own flaps. Apparently somebody at NBC finally noticed Johnson is pulling crucial votes away from Hillary, and is not happy about it. Gary is "too high" in the polls, and has gotten too big for his britches, so it was time to bury him. Notice in the video that host Scarborough immediately piled on (probably having gotten talking points fed to his ear piece). Johnson's important enough to get a news cycle!
His eventual answer to the question, while clearly showing signs he was caught off-guard, was a sensible expression of how intervention was making a bad situation worse. Rand would have said substantially the same, except more confidently, and without initially appearing uninformed. Perhaps he can make lemonade out of that substance, from the lemon that was his way of presenting it.
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Now he's getting the kind of press that will get him polling double digits.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
Well, he set himself up for it if so. Of course those opposed to him are going to shout it far and wide.
You married well. I agree with your husband. GJ gave a fantastic answer on how the US should be involved in the Syrian issue, but it seems everybody got distracted by the "shiny object" Aleppo question. When compared to "Mexicans are rapist" and continued lies and cover ups over classified emails, this misstep seems minor.
Brain fart turned into hit piece.
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The more prohibitions you have,
the less virtuous people will be.
The more weapons you have,
the less secure people will be.
The more subsidies you have,
the less self-reliant people will be.
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I let go of the law,
and people become honest.
I let go of economics,
and people become prosperous.
I let go of religion,
and people become serene.
I let go of all desire for the common good,
and the good becomes common as grass.
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Don't forget that the LP nominated Ron Paul. Maybe the CP has nominated a better candidate in this election, but only because they nominated a guy who disagrees with a lot of their official platform. The opposite goes for Gary Johnson. The reason Johnson is not that great a libertarian is because he disagrees with some of the LP's platform. Since the LP's core stated belief is superior to the CP's, I would expect them to produce superior candidates over time.
Parts of the Constitution Party sounds more like a theocracy:
From their official platform:
"Pornography, obscenity and sexually oriented businesses are a distortion of the true nature of sex created by God for the procreative union between one man and one woman in the holy bonds of matrimony. This results in emotional, physical, spiritual and financial costs to individuals, families and communities.
Due to a lack of prosecution, the sexually oriented business industry has proliferated, aggravating the problems of child pornography, human trafficking and sexually transmitted diseases. This is decreasing our safety by increasing crime rates, specifically rape and molestation in additional to the loss of dignity belonging to all human beings.
We call on our local, state and federal governments to uphold our First Amendment right to free speech by vigorously enforcing all laws against obscenity.
We call on all levels of government to protect and promote that which is truly free speech while vigorously defending and enforcing laws that protect us from the proliferation of the pornography and sexually oriented business industries because they are proven to be toxic to community standards, lower property values and increase crime.
While we believe in the responsibility of the individual and corporate entities to regulate themselves, we also believe that government plays a vital role in protecting all citizens, particularly our most vulnerable, women and children, from exploitation."
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