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    In case Obamacare collapsed before Nov elections, how would it impact Hillary?

    Considering recent news, if SWCcare collapsed before Nov elections, how would it impact Hillary's campaign?


    Today's headline:

    Obamacare Marketplaces Are in Trouble. What Can Be Done?
    New York Times - ‎14 hours ago‎
    It has been a hard couple of weeks for Obamacare. The law's online marketplaces - where people were supposed to be able to easily shop for health insurance - have been suffering from high-profile defections and double-digit premium increases.




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    Too big to fail.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Too big to fail.
    The very rhetoric against TBTF has come home to roost. I swear both parties have no understanding of economics.

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    It depends what states are being adversely affected by the premium increases.

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    She would probably blame insurance companies, and maybe hint at single payer.

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    If health care is getting too expensive the obvious solution is to make it free.

    Then it would no longer be expensive
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    Thank you all for your views. But I should have been more specific, after reading this news I wondered if there will be impact on quality of Hillary's own healthcare coverage and any health issues she is coping with these days and resulting impact on her ability to campaign... assuming she is protected by swccare currently and if it collapsed in her home market.



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    Controversial and historic FOPC would repeal and replace with failproof system:

    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul



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    It won't.

    More likely Hillary has a seizure on stage debating Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotAnIllegalImmigrant View Post
    More likely Hillary has a seizure on stage debating Trump.
    As would most people. Nary a man alive, could withstand Trump's brilliant debate skills.

    And certainly not a woman.
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    Government just needs to step up to the plate and charge more taxes for the good of all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LifeLibertyPursuit View Post
    I swear both parties have no understanding of economics.
    Oh, they understand it well enough.

    Economics is really rather simple - subjective value, marginal utility, supply and demand, etc.

    It ain't rocket science.

    They just don't give a damn.
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    Trump Supporters Won't Care

    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Controversial and historic FOPC would repeal and replace with failproof system:

    "Oh, but Trump is against the TPP."
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    It depends what states are being adversely affected by the premium increases.
    Correct , only a few matter .

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    If health care is getting too expensive the obvious solution is to make it free.

    Then it would no longer be expensive
    Hail Oh Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Correct , only a few matter .
    Yup. I think Tennessee will be hit by a 40+ increase and Miss with a 60+ sticker shock. But those are deep red states.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Yup. I think Tennessee will be hit by a 40+ increase and Miss with a 60+ sticker shock. But those are deep red states.
    Free in Cleveland , LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Controversial and historic FOPC would repeal and replace with failproof system:

    PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE LITTLE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!!! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Government just needs to step up to the plate and charge more taxes for the good of all.
    Can't put a price tag on freedom or a good affordable care program.



    As Obamacare choices dwindle, feds face consumer, political backlash


    Jayne O'Donnell, Ken Alltucker, Laura Ungar and Tony Leys, USA TODAY Network
    August 30, 2016
    The turmoil is putting intense pressure on federal regulators to stabilize the system, lower costs for consumers and reduce risks for insurers — often conflicting challenges that create a Catch-22. Among other changes, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services proposed Monday to have its risk adjustment program factor in prescription drug usage data and the people who drop their coverage before 12 months are up. Insurers complain too many sick people sign up to get health care and then drop plans after their treatments are complete.
    Insurers need healthy people to buy insurance to offset the companies' costs of covering sicker ones, but healthy consumers who don't qualify for high subsidies won't sign up unless the prices are more affordable, says Paul Howard, director of health policy at the free market Manhattan Institute.


    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...lash/89403698/

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    Government needs to institute strict policy in regards to exactly what protocol should be utilized for every illness. Once insurance meets protocol their liability has ended and their coverage. If patient still thinks they are sick they then get referred to psychiatrist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Government needs to institute strict policy ...

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    Does it mean she wont be able to get her psych meds filled?
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    In related, brother of first WH Chief of Staff of disgraced DGP and his rumored money bagger is in news:






    Obamacare architect – of all people – says Hillary is one of the ‘most transparent’ candidates in history


    August 31, 2016 | Frieda Powers

    The word “transparent” does not readily come to mind when describing Hillary Clinton.
    But for Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, architect of Obamacare and brother of former Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, Clinton is “one of the most transparent candidates in history.”
    “It’s always crazy in this campaign,” Emanuel told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow on Monday, “where Donald Trump asks Hillary Clinton to release more information and she’s been one of the most transparent candidates in history, including on the medical history.”


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    Wow, this is DGP's hometown paper:




    Editorial: Why Obamacare failed

    Obamacare failed because it flunked Economics 101 and Human Nature 101. It straitjacketed insurers into providing overly expensive, soup-to-nuts policies. It wasn't flexible enough so that people could buy as much coverage as they wanted and could afford — not what the government dictated. Many healthy people primarily want catastrophic coverage. Obamacare couldn't lure them in, couldn't persuade them to buy on the chance they'd get sick.
    Obamacare failed because the penalties for going uncovered are too low when stacked against its skyrocketing premium costs. Next year, the penalty for staying uninsured is $695 per adult, or perhaps 2.5 percent of a family's taxable household income. That's far less than many Americans would pay for coverage. Financial incentive: Skip Obamacare.
    Scott Stantis



    Obamacare failed because insurance is based on risk pools — that is, the lucky subsidize the unlucky. The unlucky who have big health problems (and big medical bills) reap much greater benefits than those who remain healthy and out of the doctors' office. But Obamacare's rules hamstring insurers. They can't exclude people for pre-existing conditions, and can't charge older customers more than three times as much as the young. Those are good goals, but they skew the market in ways Obamacare didn't figure out how to offset. Result: Young and healthy consumers pay far more in premiums than their claims (probably) would justify in order to subsidize the unexpectedly large influx of older, sicker customers who require expensive care. Too many unlucky people, too few lucky people: That will collapse any insurance scheme.
    Obamacare failed because it allowed Americans to sign up after they got sick and needed help paying all those medical bills. Insurance should be structured so that, although you don't know if you'll need it, you pay for it anyway, just in case; your alternative is financial doom. But if you can game the system and, for example, buy auto coverage after you crash into your garage, then you have no incentive to buy insurance beforehand.
    Obamacare failed because it hasn't tamed U.S. medical costs. Health care is about supply and demand: People who get coverage use it, especially if the law mandates free preventive care. Iron law of economics: Nothing is free; someone pays. To pretend otherwise was folly. Those forces combined to spike the costs of care, and thus insurance costs.
    Obamacare failed because too many carriers simply can't cover expenses, let alone turn a profit, in this rigidly controlled system. Take Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Illinois, the state's dominant Obamacare insurer. Last year, for every dollar the carrier collected, it spent $1.32 buying care and providing services for customers, according to BCBS President Maurice Smith. No wonder BCBS is proposing rate increases from 23 percent to 45 percent for its individual plans.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...909-story.html



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