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    Does This Simple Info-graphic Explain The Frustration For Americans In 2016 ?



    It would seem that those that are actually footing the bill in America are being totally ignored.

    And they are sick of it.
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    Lol, do you not make sure to research what you're posting before hitting the submit button?

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpol...yB#.ffZBneYLLA

    Map 3: 1920
    While women’s suffrage passed in 1920, there were still huge impediments to minorities to vote during that period, for instance in the form of poll taxes (only finally outlawed by the 24th Amendment in 1964). So here’s a version of the map that shows only white voters, men and women.


    You don't get to bitch about the "mainstream media" when you parrot misinformation and distortions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antischism View Post
    Lol, do you not make sure to research what you're posting before hitting the submit button?

    You don't get to bitch about the "mainstream media" when you parrot misinformation and distortions.
    Unlikely there would be much, if any, difference in the map between those two criteria (California is the only state off the top of my head where the change could conceivably flip a color) . You may end up owing OP an apology.

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    @Antischism

    Anybody who works and makes a decent amount of money per year pays some taxs.

    Do you dispute that the map would look vastly different if you inputted these variables

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    @Antischism

    Anybody who works and makes a decent amount of money per year pays some taxs.

    Do you dispute that the map would look vastly different if you inputted these variables

    So you're not disputing that the map is both vaguely labeled to the point of being useless and a distortion of the original image? Why use an incredibly misleading image (with zero room for nuance) if you can argue whatever point you're trying to make in an honest manner?

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    I agree OP ignore people clutching their pearls at the thought that only tax payers should vote.
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    Americans in general are jedi masters of blaming every other person.

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    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    I agree OP ignore people clutching their pearls at the thought that only tax payers should vote.
    I am not saying that, everybody should be able to vote and have their say no matter what economic status, what I am saying is that Americans that know they are footing the bill for America are very tired of being ignored, I think it's kind of obvious Trump has tapped into that frustration.
    It was that frustration that woke many of us to Ron Paul in the first place, he spoke of another way, a better way.
    And all of us here at RPF welcomed that message.
    Last edited by ProBlue33; 08-28-2016 at 09:31 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    I am not saying that, everybody should be able to vote and have their say no matter what economic status, what I am saying is that Americans that know they are footing the bill for America are very tired of being ignored, I think it's kind of obvious Trump has tapped into that frustration.
    It was that frustration that woke many of us to Ron Paul in the first place, he spoke of another way, a better way.
    And all of us here at RPF welcomed that message.
    I disagree.

    Anybody who exists by way of government largess should never be permitted to vote for more largess.

    This includes all government 'workers' as well as 'workers' whose income is derived primarily from government contracts and of course anybody who sucks 'free-$#@!' from the coffers.

    People who have never drawn a check for any reason should be given two votes, like the Democrats do in Chicago now...

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    People who have never drawn a check for any reason should be given two votes
    You know most of my life I have worked since I was 14, I am in my 40's now, more than once I have lost a job because the company and economy went bad.
    And for a few months, I used insurance that I had paid into my whole life, insurance the government takes off my gross pay every pay day, for me not to use it when I need it and PAID for it would be stupid, thus your statement is narrow minded and unrealistic.
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    You aren't going to win many people over by blaming the countries problems on people who don't pay taxes. A lot of the Trump supporters don't care that Trump paid no taxes, they don't even care that he doesn't release his taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    You know most of my life I have worked since I was 14, I am in my 40's now, more than once I have lost a job because the company and economy went bad.
    And for a few months, I used insurance that I had paid into my whole life, insurance the government takes off my gross pay every pay day, for me not to use it when I need it and PAID for it would be stupid, thus your statement is narrow minded and unrealistic.
    We could institute a cooling off period. After 12(24/48?) months since you stopped sucking on the government tit you can vote.

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    You aren't going to win many people over by blaming the countries problems on people who don't pay taxes.
    I don't blame them at all, these programs exist and they use them.
    My point is the people that pay for them and then don't have a voice in government, are angry in 2016, and Trump has spoken to that anger, he has poked it, it's like poking a wasps nest, the dormant wasps that where just chilling in the nest, are now flying around and active.

    And in this case they are going to vote, whereas before in their apathy they would have stayed home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I disagree.

    Anybody who exists by way of government largess should never be permitted to vote for more largess.

    This includes all government 'workers' as well as 'workers' whose income is derived primarily from government contracts and of course anybody who sucks 'free-$#@!' from the coffers.

    People who have never drawn a check for any reason should be given two votes, like the Democrats do in Chicago now...
    I agree as well.

    Most of Idiot AmeriKa should not be allowed within 1000 yards of voting booth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    Americans that know they are footing the bill for America are very tired of being ignored, I think it's kind of obvious Trump has tapped into that frustration.
    Trump's base is poor rural whites without college degrees. Those people are unlikely to be paying income tax.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    You know most of my life I have worked since I was 14, I am in my 40's now, more than once I have lost a job because the company and economy went bad.
    And for a few months, I used insurance that I had paid into my whole life, insurance the government takes off my gross pay every pay day, for me not to use it when I need it and PAID for it would be stupid, thus your statement is narrow minded and unrealistic.
    The likelihood of forbidding tit-suckers of any stripe from voting is nill at this point, seems as though preventing citizens of other countries from voting is the battle-de-jour....

    And unrealistic or not I'd use my magic wand to give the .09% of the population that's never "drawn a check" double votes for refusing to utilize the corrupt monstrosity of government, they deserve recognition!



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    'workers' whose income is derived primarily from government contracts
    That means you don't think these guys should be able to vote?
    Just to be very clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    That means you don't think these guys should be able to vote?
    Just to be very clear.
    Absolutely NOT!

    No state or federal employee or pensioner should EVER be able to vote themselves more from the coffers and that includes everybody profiting from the DOD.

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    Interesting that means you actually think everybody who builds and operates weaponry that defends America, shouldn't be able to vote.

    That is a pretty wacky perspective.
    That means Ron Paul couldn't have even have voted when he was getting paid by the government to be a doctor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    Interesting that means you actually think everybody who builds and operates weaponry that defends America, shouldn't be able to vote.

    That is a pretty wacky perspective.
    That means Ron Paul couldn't have even have voted when he was getting paid by the government to be a doctor.
    Ron Paul turned down his congressional pension. He was payed by the taxpayers though, so no, no vote.
    "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    -Benjamin Franklin

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    Well that means that Trump is part of the problem not the solution. You shouldn't be able to vote if you don't pay taxes is not the same thing as you shouldn't be able to vote for the government to force others to give you their money. When Trump has been bragging about buying access to the state, like when he got all of that money from Chris Christie. Trump literally did the ultimate liberal sin of using the government force to take money from tax payers and give it to him. He also has been known to not pay his taxes, and won't release his taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    Interesting that means you actually think everybody who builds and operates weaponry that defends America, shouldn't be able to vote. [While they're drawing a check]

    That is a pretty wacky perspective.
    That means Ron Paul couldn't have even have voted when he was getting paid by the government to be a doctor.
    And I couldn't have either when I ran ambulance for the Navy.

    Odd that you'd find my view "wacky".......

    There's big major differences between being a productive member of society and being a member of government.........Like the former pays for the latter to exist...

    Do you or an immediate family member fit in my verboten category?

    Society is divisible into two distinct segments, one of them views government 'employment' as providing a service, the other views government employees as leaches....Obviously I fall in the second group.

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    Taxation without representation will not be cool.
    But if question is about "representation without texation"... never thought about that before and need to ponder.


    But as things are, this graphic has ptential to be dangerous politically and should be circulated responsibly even for discussions.

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    What you guys are saying already exists, people don't understand the political process though and lose the game and claim they don't get a fair shot. This is a republic, everyone gets a vote, not everyone's votes count. If people understood politics we could work the system better, but as it is most people are ignorant and forget about government all together after the dog an pony show election. We have people that just don't care enough, and I guess the only hope is that when it gets worse more people will care. Even people in this forum that knew Trump was part of the single party establishment 4 years ago are jumping on board, because they basically gave up on politics 4 years ago, they probably just want to pick a winner and feel like they are winning now so they can go on with the rest of their life and not have to stress about it and just be ignorant.



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    No state or federal employee or pensioner should EVER be able to vote
    Just to be crystal clear, your saying they can't even vote for people that are against their best personal interests, like voting for Ron Paul ?
    Or are you saying they can't and shouldn't be able to vote for socialists like Sanders that will enhance their lives with programs ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    Just to be crystal clear, your saying they can't even vote for people that are against their best personal interests, like voting for Ron Paul ?
    Or are you saying they can't and shouldn't be able to vote for socialists like Sanders that will enhance their lives with programs ?
    Let me be clear, since you keep asking me to clarify what I write...

    If a man gets a check from government or if his employer only exists by governments largess, these people should not be able to vote.

    I'll even go a step further, neither should their dependents.

    It doesn't matter to me who they favor in the polls, when people are given the ability to vote lucre for themselves, inevitably they will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Let me be clear, since you keep asking me to clarify what I write...

    If a man gets a check from government or if his employer only exists by governments largess, these people should not be able to vote.

    I'll even go a step further, neither should their dependents.

    It doesn't matter to me who they favor in the polls, when people are given the ability to vote lucre for themselves, inevitably they will.
    That is a huge segment of the population civic, state and federal employee's some of which are to be considered essential services to modern civilizations.
    For example, are you really saying firemen, policemen and prison guards shouldn't be able to vote because the government pays them?

    Also these people also pay back into the system by paying state and federal taxes on what the government pays them as well, and they provide services that not every member of the population either wants to do or can do.
    Last edited by ProBlue33; 08-28-2016 at 01:13 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    That is a huge segment of the population civic, state and federal employee's some of which are to be considered essential services to modern civilizations.
    For example, are you really saying firemen, policemen and prison guards shouldn't be able to vote because the government pays them?
    I was VERY clear, are you having trouble reading or comprehending?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I was VERY clear, are you having trouble reading or comprehending?
    No, maybe I am having difficulty comprehending somebody could be as unrealistic; and well as ignorant as you.
    You want to take the right to vote away from first responders and even their dependents, and the retired ones too, that's pure insanity.
    You have dug your idealogical hole for all to see in this thread.
    Last edited by ProBlue33; 08-28-2016 at 01:22 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    No, maybe I am having difficulty comprehending somebody could be as unrealistic; and well as ignorant as you.
    You want to take the right to vote away from first responders and even their dependents, and the retired ones too, that's pure insanity.
    You have dug your idealogical hole for all to see in this thread.
    So in your opinion it is ignorant to want to keep those who benefit from the public coffers from having control of them?

    I suppose you give your credit cards to the drunk/drugged family member for safe keeping don't you?

    How, pray tell, is there a difference? Oh wise, informed and educated one........Please break this spell of ignorance you have so eloquently labeled my "idealogical hole"..

    First responders (I was one!) are just more tax-ticks, unless they're volunteers, and the tick dependents will obviously vote to continue the tax-blood supply, after-all they deeeeeserve it..

    I very clearly typed this earlier;

    Society is divisible into two distinct segments, one of them views government 'employment' as providing a service, the other views government employees as leaches....Obviously I fall in the second group.

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