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    Trump's own words...How is this not 'Amnesty' again?

    From Trump's own mouth.

    He's NOT going to deport EVERYONE. He will deport the 'bad ones' and the 'good ones' will pay back taxes and given legal status but not citizenship...

    This IS the Gang of 8 / Rubio / Jeb Immigration position. He is just talking tougher about the wall and sanctuary cities, etc., but when it comes to the 11 million already in the country, Trump has now CHANGED HIS POSTITION DRASTICALLY from what it initially was, that being 'Get em out!' deportation force, etc.



    I don't know how you Trumpsters can watch this and not see how he has now embraces the same position as JEB and Rubio which you despised and called amnesty.
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    And I keep pointing this out that when the "good" ones "pay" back taxes, in many cases that means we'll be writing them a check. People at the lower scales of income get the Earned Income Tax Credit, which means if we make the "good" ones subject to our tax policies, they'll be getting a nice fat Trump check.

    Perhaps this is his way of appealing to illegals?
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    My point is, and I'm still waiting for the trump supporters to chime in in this, is that Trump now holds the exact same position that Jeb/Rubio/and the Gang of 8 had that was DESTROYED by Trump supporters as amnesty.

    If trump lets millions of 'good ones' stay, but with back taxes etc, how is this not amnesty?

    I'll wait
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    My point is, and I'm still waiting for the trump supporters to chime in in this, is that Trump now holds the exact same position that Jeb/Rubio/and the Gang of 8 had that was DESTROYED by Trump supporters as amnesty.

    If trump lets millions of 'good ones' stay, but with back taxes etc, how is this not amnesty?

    I'll wait
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    Trump supporters ignoring and wasting time on Trump hater delusions. I predicted this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    Trump supporters ignoring and wasting time on Trump hater delusions. I predicted this.
    Still waiting. Interesting that you won't answer.

    If Trump 'lets' the 'good ones' stay in the US... millions of them.... what say you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    Trump supporters ignoring and wasting time on Trump hater delusions. I predicted this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    From Trump's own mouth.

    He's NOT going to deport EVERYONE. He will deport the 'bad ones' and the 'good ones' will pay back taxes and given legal status but not citizenship...

    This IS the Gang of 8 / Rubio / Jeb Immigration position. He is just talking tougher about the wall and sanctuary cities, etc., but when it comes to the 11 million already in the country, Trump has now CHANGED HIS POSTITION DRASTICALLY from what it initially was, that being 'Get em out!' deportation force, etc.

    I don't know how you Trumpsters can watch this and not see how he has now embraces the same position as JEB and Rubio which you despised and called amnesty.
    Agree, it should be called amnesty. What is not being discussed is a path to citizenship. That has been considered a difference between the full amnesty package and something in the middle. I believe Ron and Rand have proposed ID cards with an asterisk, but not a path to citizenship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    Trump supporters ignoring and wasting time on Trump hater delusions. I predicted this.
    Of course, as Trump softens his stances to the moderate right/left, as many here predicted, Trump supporters will not be able to defend his positions and therefore will have to ignore others in order to maintain their delusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Agree, it should be called amnesty. What is not being discussed is a path to citizenship. That has been considered a difference between the full amnesty package and something in the middle. I believe Ron and Rand have proposed ID cards with an asterisk, but not a path to citizenship.
    Pretty sure Trump and Cruz were calling it amnesty when attacking other candidates.
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    What I want to know is what is Trump going to do with the "big, beautiful door" in the wall. Send people out and then let them back in? Let more in?

    Maybe he will increase immigration quotas, to let in the very, very, very best ones. The hard working good ones that work hard. Very, very, very hard. Bright, the brightest, so bright you can't believe it. Believe me.
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    I'm not sure what makes me happier, Trump becoming more reasonable with regards to immigration or Trump supporters getting all despondent about it.
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    The wall is gonna be at least 30 feet high though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    The wall is gonna be at least 30 feet high though.
    Why not a mile high and 30 ft wide? We can call it Trump Tower.
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    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by axiomata View Post
    I'm not sure what makes me happier, Trump becoming more reasonable with regards to immigration or Trump supporters getting all despondent about it.
    Have you seen the second half of that occur, or is it just media delusions that you indulge in?
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    Flashback to Nov 2015:

    Trump Calls For Amnesty
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by axiomata View Post
    Why not a mile high and 30 ft wide? We can call it Trump Tower.
    If we post a sign outside, "Now Hiring: dishwashers, lawnmowers, janitors, and burrito chefs", we could use it as a honey pot trap
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