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    'Gary Johnson Backs CO2 ‘Fee’ To Fight Global Warming'

    Gary Johnson Backs CO2 ‘Fee’ To Fight Global Warming
    Michael Bastasch
    08/22/2016
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/22/ga...lobal-warming/

    Libertarian Party presidential nominee and former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson said he’s no skeptic of man-made global warming and endorsed a “fee” on carbon dioxide emissions.

    It’s all part of his “free market” approach to global warming, Johnson told the Juneau Empire in an article published Sunday.

    “I do believe that climate change is occurring,” Johnson said. “I do believe that it is man-caused” and “that there can be and is a free-market approach to climate change.”

    Johnson’s “free market” approach to global warming includes “a fee — not a tax, he said — placed on carbon” to make those who emit the greenhouse gas pay the supposed cost of their actions, according to the Juneau Empire.

    “We as human beings want to see carbon emissions reduced significantly,” he said, adding the U.S. only emits “16 percent of the (global) load” CO2.

    Johnson said: “I don’t want to do anything that harms jobs.”

    It’s not exactly clear how a “fee” on CO2 would be different than a “tax,” but Johnson’s announcement was picked up by environmentalists

    Johnson’s carbon “fee” was touted by the group RepublicEN, a group of conservatives who endorse a carbon tax. RepublicEN has joined with environmentalists to promote a carbon tax as the best way to tackle global warming.

    But they’re basically alone on the right, as most conservative groups see a carbon tax as a fool’s errand, and the Republican Party explicitly rejected a carbon tax in its 2016 platform.

    “We oppose any carbon-tax,” reads the 2016 platform. “It would increase energy prices across the board, hitting hardest at the families who are already struggling to pay their bill in the Democrats’ no-growth economy.”

    Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump told campaigners at the American Energy Alliance (AEA) in March he opposed a carbon tax.

    “The Obama administration committed an overreach that punishes rather than helps Americans,” Trump answered in AEA’s survey. “Under my administration, all EPA rules will be reviewed. Any regulation that imposes undue costs on business enterprises will be eliminated.”

    Republicans have been increasingly concerned about attempts to get a carbon tax through Congress. GOP lawmakers often argue taxing CO2 would amount to an energy tax that would raise the price of everything, hurting the poor.

    Rhode Island Democratic Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse introduced a carbon tax bill last year to raise $2 trillion over 10 years and reduce CO2 emissions 40 percent. Whitehouse has also called on the Department of Justice to prosecute those who disagree with him on global warming.

    Johnson’s campaign did not respond to The Daily Caller News Foundation’s request for comment.

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    Gary "Al Gore" Johnson. Is he a libertarian on anything?

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    Can we move news about this guy out of the Liberty Campaigns section yet? He belongs in the dump with Hillary and Trump news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSP-Rebel View Post
    Gary "Al Gore" Johnson. Is he a libertarian on anything?
    He wants to sell you pot and tax it.

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    Maybe he is trying to help Trump get elected
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    Didn't we already do this??
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Maybe he is trying to help Trump get elected
    He takes more votes from Hillary than he does from trump. Consistently true.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    If a company dumps toxic waste into a river, the company can be sued out of business. But if a company dumps toxic waste into the air, everyone shrugs their shoulders and says "oh well"....
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    If a company dumps toxic waste into a river, the company can be sued out of business. But if a company dumps toxic waste into the air, everyone shrugs their shoulders and says "oh well"....
    Your argument is based on the idea that carbon dioxide is 'toxic waste'. Forgive my bluntness, but what I am exhaling right now aint $#@!ing toxic.
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    “I do believe that climate change is occurring,” Johnson said. “I do believe that it is man-caused” and “that there can be and is a free-market approach to climate change.”

    Then why are you calling for a Carbon "fee" (not a tax, just like Obamacare) you pathetic little statist troll?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    If a company dumps toxic waste into a river, the company can be sued out of business. But if a company dumps toxic waste into the air, everyone shrugs their shoulders and says "oh well"....
    You obviously don't know how plants work.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Still wondering how this guy is believable at all. He is even worse than Trump. He is making Trump look better and better even after reading all the anti-trump posts here.
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    The best of both parties! Happy days!



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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    He takes more votes from Hillary than he does from trump.
    No, he doesn't.


    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    Consistently true.
    No, it isn't.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 08-22-2016 at 03:04 PM.

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    What else dumb is he going to say? I wish he would just put it all out there once and for all so people will quit saying he's Libertarian.
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    I am no purist or one issue voter but how many things does this man has to get wrong for him to deserve the Trump treatment. Free market way of dealing with carbon pollution? wtf is that? Also just because you put free market in from of it doesn't make it right. I am sure there is a free market way of collecting taxes but I don't want to hear any of it.



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    Gary Johnson is a caricature of a libertarian. Carbon dioxide control? Has he gone mad? I could understand something about habitat preservation, but he's actually pushing carbon dioxide nonsense with no focus on solar activity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    He takes more votes from Hillary than he does from trump. Consistently true.
    But doesn't Stein offer far more to these types than Johnson?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    But doesn't Stein offer far more to these types than Johnson?
    Johnson is trying to change that. Hence this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    No, he doesn't.

    No, it isn't.
    Yes, he does. Yes, it is.

    Right now, pollsters that include Johnson and, less frequently, Stein are showing Clinton with a slightly smaller lead than pollsters that test only Trump and Clinton. You can see this by looking at the national polls taken since June 1. According to the FiveThirtyEight polling database, 18 pollsters have taken a national poll that asked about the presidential race with only Clinton and Trump offered as an option and in a separate question asked about the race with at least Johnson included. Here is the average margin by which Clinton is ahead of Trump in those polls, with and without third-party options...

    ... The majority of pollsters (12) have Clinton’s margin over Trump shrinking when at least one third-party candidate is included. The difference in margins, however, varies among pollsters, and a few, such as Ipsos, have Clinton’s lead rising by the tiniest of bits when at least Johnson is included. Overall, including third-party candidates takes about 1 percentage point away from Clinton’s margin, on average.
    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...nton-or-trump/

    Do you for some reason want him to take more from trump?
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    But doesn't Stein offer far more to these types than Johnson?
    No, he's playing for moderates. She's playing for the far left.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post


    Do you for some reason want him to take more from trump?
    You're projecting. Again. I support Castle. In fact, I go out of my way to make that known. It's right there in my sig-line. Is it not? Sure it is. I know this becase I put it there.


    The reality is that Clinton is leading Trump. What does that tell you? Hm? What?

    By all means, though, keep pimping the liberals.

    Heh. Actually that's something else about your pollsters. When November comes and goes, Johnson will be lucky to see 2% of the vote. Remember who told you that. Because when he does, I'm going to come back here and show you, the all-knowing, all projecting, undergroundrr, master of bullsht, that it's all that he got.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 08-22-2016 at 05:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    Again. I support Castle.
    Darrell Castle is awesome.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018



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    Gary Johnson is not even a characature of a Libertarian. He is a socialist liberal along the lines of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    But doesn't Stein offer far more to these types than Johnson?
    Not if Johnson actually has a chance of doing something.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Johnson has no chance of winning over thinking liberty people. He has every chance of winning over liberals and socialists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Johnson has no chance of winning over thinking liberty people. He has every chance of winning over liberals and socialists.
    A generalization, but correct.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    [Johnson] takes more votes from Hillary than he does from trump. Consistently true.
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    Yes, he does. Yes, it is.

    Right now, pollsters that include Johnson and, less frequently, Stein are showing Clinton with a slightly smaller lead than pollsters that test only Trump and Clinton. You can see this by looking at the national polls taken since June 1. According to the FiveThirtyEight polling database, 18 pollsters have taken a national poll that asked about the presidential race with only Clinton and Trump offered as an option and in a separate question asked about the race with at least Johnson included. Here is the average margin by which Clinton is ahead of Trump in those polls, with and without third-party options...

    ... The majority of pollsters (12) have Clinton’s margin over Trump shrinking when at least one third-party candidate is included. The difference in margins, however, varies among pollsters, and a few, such as Ipsos, have Clinton’s lead rising by the tiniest of bits when at least Johnson is included. Overall, including third-party candidates takes about 1 percentage point away from Clinton’s margin, on average.
    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...nton-or-trump/

    Do you for some reason want him to take more from trump?
    According to that, it's a mere one percent difference on average - and that's with respect to the inclusion of any third-party candidates, not solely Johnson.

    But even if it regarded Johnson only, one percent is well within the average margin of error of the polls from which this result was derived.

    In other words: Johnson makes no statistically significant difference in the delta between Clinton and Trump.

    In other other words: The citation you provided fails to support your assertion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Gary Johnson is a caricature of a libertarian. Carbon dioxide control? Has he gone mad? I could understand something about habitat preservation, but he's actually pushing carbon dioxide nonsense with no focus on solar activity?
    He's not even a caricature. A caricature to me is overblown and ridiculous. Gary Johnson is a cardboard cutout of a libertarian with a scared statist cowering behind it puffing on a roach.
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