Think what you wish. I have a brother that is in dire need of help and don't have the solution.
For future reference, I would suggest you start off with ALL the relevant information because your OP smelled like a troll had come and taken a gigantic $#@! in my lap. Top.Originally Posted by Schifference
As for what you should do - impossible to say without detailed history, and even then...
My daughters' mother was an alcoholic and a lover of pills. I learned about this $#@! the hard way. Some people are open to getting straight. The vast and overwhelming majority (about 98%) are not. I took Loida to rehab several times, all for naught. The woman was brilliant - she spoke at least ten languages with native fluency including Ukrainian, Russian, Polish, Latin, Spanish, French, Arabic, Dutch, Finnish, English, and some Farsi. She had talent you wish you had. And you know what she did with it?
NOTHING.
She $#@!ed up her children - thank God the girls turned out OK. Prescott died in a car crash in 07 when he got into a car with a drunk, who proceeded to kill himself and four others in Williams AZ, with one passenger surviving. That was five years after she managed to finally kill herself at age 45, further punctuating the lives of her children with feces.
The fact is this: nearly all drunks and addicts are not worth the bullet with which you'd send them to Satan. I attended countless AA meetings in my efforts to understand what I was living with. It finally twigged one day in Aug. 2001 when, as I sat listening to a member going on how he'd spent 20 years in prison for murdering either 2 or 3 people in a drunken rage that the light went on.
The best thing you can do for yourself is to stay as far away from boozers and addicts because with few exceptions they will drain the life out of you, and if you give then half a chance, your money and other valuables will be gone as well.
If this person is your brother and this is his first time like this, all else equal I would probably try to help, but that's just me and I'm stupid like this because I don't like seeing people suffer. But if he's been there before and did not square his $#@! away, leave him to his devices. If he wants to die or simply thinks he doesn't care either way, let him go. If there is a "bottom" to hit and he hits it, he will drag his own ass out of the $#@! and choose to live. Otherwise, he chooses to die and there is NOTHING you can do to stop him. In that case, the only thing your interference will buy you is, at best, a $#@!-ton of misery. If you want the blast wave of his destruction to ruin you as well, then by all means do what you must. You have to live with your own conscience and I would never tell you what to do. But I WILL tell you that even with a brother one's feeling of loyalty and responsibility can become grossly misguided.
When you KNOW the Titanic is going to sink, you get the hell off and row for all you are worth in safe direction.
Good luck with this. I do not envy your position in the least. I know exactly what you are going through and I wish I could tell you it will be easy or even that it will get better, but the truth is that this is probably going to suck in a way you will never forget.
For the record, I hope he chooses life.
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It depends. Is he/she into that kind of thing ?
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Do you have it in you to boot camp him? If so, consider what I call the break a horse method.
If you have any hope of opiate recovery you have to first break the 7 day withdrawal cycle.
If he's as far gone as you make it out to be, frankly this takes "in patient" care.
You need to assume an active care giving role if YOU want to break the cycle.
Upon taking on that role you need to come to terms with,
and you need to make him come to terms with,
your alpha role in the situation.
Use what leverage you can, keep the man in one place with three square, plenty of water&gatorade. Give him otc options: advil, dramamine, or benedryl offering every 4-6 hours; let him chose 1, no junk and no visitors for 7-10 days.
If you can lock him in: So be it; Short term mental patient; Chattel. Don't be angry. Do be frank. You're $#@!ing up. You're not mentally stable. I'm taking over. Food and water is on me. In 10 days time you can do as you will, right now I'm serving the brother I knew not the piece of $#@! before me. I love you, but with all due respect STFU get back in your hole.
Once he's in the withdrawal spiral there will be no reasoning with him until
A) you pre-empt his will and break the 7 day cycle
B) he hits rock bottom and finds jesus.
If you choose A) you may push him away and lose him forever. You also risk violence.
If you choose B) he might just die.
Option C) is some kind of gov't program... but that will end with methadone or suboxone, etc. which I have little faith in and tend to lead to some really disturbing acts of violence.
If you choose pretty much anything else you're just dragging yourself into drama you'll never be able to fix with reason. You'll get burned and he'll still be a junkie.
First week, take his temperature 2x daily, if fever gets over 101 he's massively dehydrated. Gatorade and cold shower. Plus it shows you care and are approaching it from a care giving perspective.
If you make it past the 7 days, next 70 days is seeing to it he has breakfast and dinner with family and begins to find positive employment in the community again.
all that aside... I'm with osan
Boozers and addicts are a totally different class; they're genuine mental cases. Not every drink-before-bed or occasional pill popper is a boozer or an addict.... but when you run into one that is... they are and they will continue to be for the most part long after you're gone. It will take some intense will on your behalf to break him.The best thing you can do for yourself is to stay as far away from boozers and addicts because with few exceptions they will drain the life out of you, and if you give then half a chance, your money and other valuables will be gone as well.
Read up on keyword: "how to break a horse" all metaphors apply. Consider the metaphor of "river technique"; take brother in car, if it takes a tylenol pm so be it, pack tent and food... go to most remote wilderness place you can take him. Hide the keys. Now you have a captive audience.
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...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
Clean him.
Love him.
Listen to him.
Stay with him.
If it looks like hospitalization will be needed- Do. IT.
And repeat the above.
A very dear relative of mine tried the suicide path. Luckily he was discovered in time and taken to the hospital. His weeks there were used by family to show love and support; he was brought home to live with family; he is recovered and knows that he is loved and important.
Much addiction and suicidal tendencies come from a sense of failure and loathing from others. You can save your brother's life and let him begin to realize how important he is to your life.
Blessings and Peace, my Brother.
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How about this dilemma? Your newly minted 18 yr old daughter, the apple of your eye decided that the day after she turned 18, she plans of going down to Florida to engage in underground gangbang porn. You have seen the contract she signed with the porn companies where girls are used up and spit out like tasteless chewing gums. So you know she will go ahead and do it if nobody gets in her way.
Talking is not working, so do you let her go or try holding her hostage for her own good?
But to your own scenario, I would first determine if he/she is of sound mind and if yes, I will try and convince him/her to allow me to help them. If I determine by my own judgement that he/she is not of sound mind then I would intervene without permission.
Not many do.
Way more complicated than just detoxing the guy.
He looks like death. Scabs/lesions all over his body from parasite or?? Very easy to discount as delusions until you see them and see them on his friend of years that appears pretty coherent and rational. How could someone not entertain all the conspiracy theories around RPF? Do you think the government is always honest? We all know that they are not. I have spend hours and hours researching about parasites. Has anyone ever heard of Morgellon's Disease? It is very easy to dismiss this as psychotic. I don't know. I have seen too many video's and read too much from people that claim to suffer from it. Who knows its origin? CDC did a test on it for years and say it does not exist. People have fibers of unknown origin coming out and under their skin. What do I know? I cannot blindly dismiss that it does not exist when I see pictures of people with lesions and claims to be afflicted and these lesions look just like what my brother and his housemate have. He did not ever say I have Morgellons. I came up with that as a possible problem. FWIW he was diagnosed with scabies at first.
Regardless, I don't want to touch him or go into his house. I believe he is infected with something that I would not want to catch.
The best friend seems like a pretty decent guy. I have known him for a few years. These other people that go over his house are definitely undesirable and steal from my brother.
It is not like I have a brother that is by himself with only a substance abuse problem.
One way or another we all eventually get to old for that $#@!.
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How long before "going liberal" replaces "going postal"?
Sounds like America metaphor. Get a hose, and wash, then lay there and cry with them.
lesions with fibers coming out of it, conspiracies, CDC, this is sounding more and more like an episode of the X files.
Whatever regarding lesions.
Use logic to decipher what is said in a short wikipedia in regards to Morgellons.
Morgellons (/mɔː(ɹ)ˈdʒɛlənz/), also called Morgellons disease or Morgellons syndrome, is the informal name of a self-diagnosed skin condition that is actually a form of delusional disorder in which individuals believe they are infested with inanimate material like sand, hairs, thread, or fibers, while in reality no such infestation is present.[1]
People who claim the condition experience tactile hallucinations, such as crawling, biting, and stinging sensations and visual hallucinations or illusions of unusual fibers coming out of the skin.[1][2] They usually report persistent skin lesions (i.e., rashes or sores) that are unknowingly self-inflicted.[1][3] These symptoms have been identified as consistent with delusional infestation (DI) by a range of medical experts[4] including dermatologists,[3] entomologists,[5] and psychiatrists.[6][1] Some cases of self-identified Morgellons may be more accurately diagnosed as a common skin disorder.[3] Individuals who claim this condition commonly collect specimen samples of what they believe to be the pathogens and bring them in a small container or show pictures and videos of them to doctors as "proof" of their illness.[1]
The name was coined in 2002 by the founder of the Morgellons Research Foundation, Mary Leitao,[7] who revived it from a letter written by a physician in the mid-1600s.[8] Leitao and others involved in her foundation who self-identified as having Morgellons successfully lobbied members of the U.S. Congress and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to investigate the condition in 2006.[4][9] CDC researchers issued the results of their multi-year study in January 2012, indicating that there were no disease organisms present in people with Morgellons and that the fibers found were likely cotton, and concluded that the condition was "similar to more commonly recognized conditions such as delusional infestation"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgellons
Why would CDC spend years studying a psychotic delusional disease that doesn't even exist?
He never said he had Morgellons. I don't know anything and am not claiming that it exists or that he has it. I can tell you I spent hours and hours researching and many people claim to have it and my brothers lesions look like those of peoples that claim to be afflicted with Morgellons.
This thread was not supposed to be about Morgellons but rather the addicted brother. The parasite or whatever complicates the situation.
Dermotillomania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excoriation_disorder
http://www.dualdiagnosis.org/drug-ab...cking/#pickingSkin Picking and Heroin Withdrawal
Withdrawing from heroin, a highly addictive opiate, is an intensely uncomfortable experience. Restlessness, nervousness, severe cravings and goose bumps can trigger the urge to self-mutilate. Users in withdrawal often say that they feel like they’re “crawling out of their skin.” In this state, skin picking may provide a momentary sense of release.
Heroin withdrawal affects the skin in several important ways. Goose bumps, along with chills, shivering and cold sweats, occur as the brain adjusts to the absence of this powerful opioid. These bumps are caused by tiny muscles that tighten at the base of the fine hairs that cover the skin. For the user in withdrawal, compulsively rubbing or tugging at the skin may counteract the sensations of cold and restlessness.
Skin picking and self-mutilation can also help the user cope with opiate cravings. The sensations of pleasure or pain are a temporary distraction from the desire to use heroin. Ritualistic picking can provide an outlet for the intense anxiety, nervous tension and restlessness that characterize withdrawal.
But skin picking provides only a temporary relief from the symptoms of opiate withdrawal. Once physical withdrawal symptoms begin, they can last for several days. The best way to avoid withdrawal symptoms like goose bumps, sweats and muscle pain is to enter a medically supervised detox program. At a detox center, you can receive the physical and moral support you need to minimize the symptoms of withdrawal and avoid a relapse.
Image search: skin picking heroin
https://www.google.com/search?q=skin...w=1440&bih=718
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'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
He is using!
Not in withdrawl.
His housemate friend developed the lesions also.
Was diagnosed with scabies months ago.
I did lots of research on scabies also. Scabies are often misdiagnosed also. Another common problem among people that suffer from scabies is that after the doctor is unable to cure the patient, they tell the patient that they have a psychiatric problem.
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