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“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
Trump could be a no-good charlatan, but he is also a guy who's been talking about american sovereignty for close to 30 years. I know for a fact, Hillary is remorseless harpy. I am willfully taking a calculated risk with Trump that's basically harmless in the overall scheme of things.
I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.
Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
Yes. One of them will win. You are correct. But, they are each one in the same. It doesn't matter which wins. Government bureaucracies and the attendant functionaries will increase and regulation without representation will further curtail liberty.
In this election above all others how can you not realize this?
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
You see I can drop the level of effort or discourse to the same level of you Hillary shills also. You see this is what happens when you insult and tell people to STFU.
It has been a year but I see you have not changed and still bitching about getting neg reps back after giving one with a pile of insults. Now go crawl back under the rock you came out from under.
Last edited by kahless; 08-21-2016 at 10:12 PM.
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You are right, I have not changed in 30 years. I am and have always been a strict Constitutionalist, and a champion of gun rights.
What I want to know, is WTF happened to YOU that you are suddenly trying to equate me with Hillary Klinton just because I won't worship your pet dictator?
You came into the thread and lumped yourself in with those cheering a Trump loss in favor of Hillary. You did this to yourself.
Like I said earlier in the thread, Hillary has a clear platform that will infringe on 1st and 2nd amendments rights and nominate Supreme Court justices that will place us in a situation it will be impossible to take this country back. With 3rd parties this late in the game standing no chance, campaigning against Trump indicates there are those here then effectively supporting Hillary and gun control.
Last edited by kahless; 08-22-2016 at 12:11 AM.
* See my visitor message area for caveats related to my posting history here.
* Also, I have effectively retired from all social media including posting here and are basically opting out of anything to do with national politics or this country on federal or state level and rather focusing locally. I may stop by from time to time to discuss philosophy on a general level related to Libertarian schools of thought and application in the real world.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
Guns are already illegal because we didn't elect Gary Johnson.
NRA official: Obama wants to outlaw guns in 2nd term
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/zq0ow/i_am_gov_gary_johnson_the_libertarian_candidate/c66py8f
My question is about gun control.
Governor Romney has a history of banning guns in MA, and Obama has a history of opposing handgun ownership in Chicago and D.C, reinstating the Clinton "Assault Weapon" ban, and opposing the right to carry concealed.
As President, would you support renewing the Clinton Era gun ban?
Do you support "Right to carry" laws that give law abiding citizens like myself the right to carry a concealed firearm to protect themselves?
GovGaryJohnson[S] 723 points 3 years ago
I fully support the second amendment. in 1995 I was able to sign concealed-carry legislation when it was cutting edge at that time. I believed this would lead to less overall gun violence.
TRUTH?
That's about as far from the TRUTH as I have heard, even from YOU in a while. The "witch hunt" is definitely from you and your ilk. Blaming @phill4paul or @GunnyFreedom for your rhetoric is nonsense.
The TRUTH is it is you who start fights and arguments, blame others call them names, neg rep them, and then BOO-HOOs as loud as you can to see who's listening. YOU are exactly the kind of Trumpet that scares the $#@! out of the average RPF member because you have no argument, no clear message, and only insults.
And, YES, there are other Trump supporters on this forum that can actually have decent dialog and get an idea across.
Last edited by Ender; 08-22-2016 at 01:33 AM.
There is no spoon.
Blah blahblah blah trump hump trump hump.
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- "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law."
-- The Law (p. 54)- "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
-- Government (p. 99)- "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
-- Economic Sophisms - Second Series (p. 312)- "There are two principles that can never be reconciled - Liberty and Constraint."
-- Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)· tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito ·
Let's please keep everything civil.
Could you please PM me with any kind of evidence that a Mission supporting member here supports gun control? This is not something that we've seen at all so I'd like to hear your argument (without public attacks).
This type of logic has been disproved and rejected here endlessly, please try to use functional arguments to support your positions.
I recently developed a new take to counter this argument when someone recently accused me of supporting Hilary for not supporting Trump. If I supported a 3rd party or did a write-in that would not hurt Trump any more than if I didn't exist or didn't vote at all. Per with the "you're-supporting-Hillary" logic, the only acceptable position is to exist and vote for Trump. Thus we could equally blame people who didn't have more children that could now vote for Trump -- perhaps it's really all their fault if Hillary wins. -- That last point is equally as valid as blaming someone who doesn't vote Red Team or Blue Team.
I am equally concerned that Trump's divisiveness will lead the country to civil war and his aggressive foreign policy will lead to World War III.infringement into 1st and 2nd amendments and nomination of Supreme Court justices that will place us in a situation it will be impossible to take this country back without a civil war.
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Like phill4paul, I'm anti-Trump, too, but if Trump loses and we end up with Hillary as our next gun-grabbing President, then it will be the fault of the Republican Party and Republican voters who continue to tolerate, endorse, support, and vote for unprincipled, big-government candidates just so we don't end up with a stinking Democrat in the Oval Office.
The GOP should have promoted Sen. Rand Paul when it had the chance because he would do far better against Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump can. And, of course, Sen. Paul has a much better record on gun rights than Donald Trump has.
"Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45
"May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul
So if you are not a Trump supporter, you are an open borders, TPP supporting, globalist loser and now a gun grabber as well. Oh and a cuck. I almost forgot cuck. Un-$#@!ing real how high the bull$#@! has piled up.
Edited to add SJW, liberal/progressive social marxist. Thanks CCTelander!
Last edited by Pizzo; 08-22-2016 at 09:49 AM.
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
So how does it feel when a Paul supporter who has listed strategic reasons for voting for Trump stoops to Trump witch hunters level of discourse by collectively labeling those as supporting _____ like the witch hunters always do. All I am doing is exposing how pathetic the grassroots has become since the witch hunt started last year. The antithesis of grassroots which is just insults and spreading lies.
Accusing people of being Hillary supporters is far less of an accusation than those listing strategic reasons for voting for Trump being told to go $#@! themselves constantly on a daily basis or an accusation that leaps to some authoritarian policy a Paul supporter would never considering supporting. Completely unbalanced moderation.
You have to ask yourself what these forums would be like if every Paul supporter that has decided to vote for Trump takes my approach in this thread which is just a tiny fraction of what the anti-Trump witch hunt does to them.
Last edited by kahless; 08-22-2016 at 10:29 AM.
* See my visitor message area for caveats related to my posting history here.
* Also, I have effectively retired from all social media including posting here and are basically opting out of anything to do with national politics or this country on federal or state level and rather focusing locally. I may stop by from time to time to discuss philosophy on a general level related to Libertarian schools of thought and application in the real world.
It's a tiny little fraction of what Trump supporters- especially you, have done to me.
I'll just go along with Ron Paul- that guy the forum is named after, him?- and if you don't like it you can report it to @Bryan.
There is no spoon.
You seem confused, so let me clarify. I, phil4paul, GunnyFreedom, William Tell, Natural Citizen, CPU'd, origanalist, R3volution3.0, ender, et al. are all supporting Trump. We are all working hard to get him elected believe it or not. Let me explain:
Every vote that is not for Clinton is a vote Trump doesn't have to match. and by not voting for Hillary, we are helping her lose. All of us are wasting our votes on third parties instead of supporting Hillary, and in so doing, we are helping Trump.
You're welcome.
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