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    [Disputed] Rand Paul brushes off Gary Johnson at FreedomFest

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...d-party-214162



    Johnson has lost his status as the convention’s undisputed king: Rand Paul has arrived. At an afternoon panel, Paul is asked whether he will vote for his fellow freedom lover. The senator answers that he understands why some voters are supporting a “liberty-minded, third-party candidate”—he does not utter Johnson’s name—but that it is extremely difficult for him, as an elected Republican, to do so.

    That evening, somebody in the Johnson campaign decides to arrange a “chance” encounter between Johnson and Paul, scheduling an impromptu signing of Johnson’s campaign tome Seven Principles of Good Government in the exhibition hall to coincide with Paul’s own book signing. As a visibly nervous Johnson motors through the casino with his entourage on his way to the signing, he tells his people to hang back. “Give me a minute to establish myself in the situation,” he says. Johnson walks over to Paul and extends his hand. Paul, seemingly cognizant of the possibility of cameras, refuses the handshake. The men take their places at their respective tables. Standing just a few yards from each other, Paul and Johnson begin signing books—both aware of the other’s presence, but pretending that they are not.



    Tom, standing to the side, doesn’t like what he sees. “This was a bad idea,” he says, absorbing the escalating awkwardness of the situation. After a few minutes, Johnson dons a smile and tries his luck again, sneaking up behind the senator and administering a double-shoulder squeeze. Paul pretends not to notice until Johnson takes the hint and returns to his table. Paul then flashes an annoyed look in Johnson’s direction, as if beholding a tenacious mosquito. The final straw comes as a young documentary filmmaker who is also following Johnson asks Paul if he can take a selfie with the two politicians. “No,” Paul says, “we’re individuals.” The senator has had enough and walks away. The filmmaker walks over to Johnson and puts his arm around the perplexed candidate.

    “Total stiff-arm,” Johnson says.



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    Im not surprised the way it went with Ron Paul. my hero.

  4. #3
    Good.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 08-16-2016 at 08:57 PM.

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    Gary is either an idiot or an $#@! here in this situation. Not sure which one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Gary is either an idiot or an $#@! here in this situation. Not sure which one.
    Both?

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    Gary has trashed Rand for 5 years. Setting aside his political views, he is a nasty person.

    If a guy calls you a sellout and half a libertarian over and over, there is no obligation to be cordial.

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    Video?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Video?
    You know what they say..
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    While I wouldn't blame Randal, this photo seems to prove the article is bull$#@! about him refusing to shake hands. I expect no less from politico.


    From: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...t-Freedom-Fest

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    this photo seems to prove the article is bull$#@! about him refusing to shake hands. I expect no less from politico.
    From: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...t-Freedom-Fest
    Yep; while reading the article, I was thinking two things:

    1. There's at least one photo of them shaking hands!

    2. Freedom Fest was in mid-July; why is Politico reporting on this alleged incident in mid-August?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubbleboy View Post
    Im not surprised the way it went with Ron Paul. my hero.
    What does this have to do with Ron or him being your hero?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    While I wouldn't blame Randal, this photo seems to prove the article is bull$#@! about him refusing to shake hands. I expect no less from politico.


    From: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...t-Freedom-Fest
    Shocked

    Is that a Masonic handshake?
    Last edited by dannno; 08-17-2016 at 02:00 AM.
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    This is what I got after I scraped the internet- I think Gary Johnson was probably trying to cozy up to Rand and Rand doesn't want the establishment to attack him for going against his pledge or his word because he is not going against his word and running against the Republican party.

    “Imagine if Senator Rand Paul had decided to run as a Libertarian, I think he could probably be getting 21. 22… percent of the vote right now. And he would have been on the debate stage.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Shocked

    Is that a Masonic handshake?
    As a 3rd Degree Master Mason, can confirm no, not the handshake .
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    As a 3rd Degree Master Mason, can confirm no, not the handshake .
    Easy enough to google the handshakes. Not exactly a secret anymore.
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    Politico trying to divide as usual.
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    Did they really make this up? Is that picture from freedom fest?
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    Nice. Thanks for posting the photo and clearing things up.
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    Anyone else find it ironic that Rand has pledged to support Donald (the RNC candidate) over the libertarian candidate who is nearly polling 15% and very close to making the debates?

    If Rand truly believed in liberty and truly planned on term-limiting himself as he has promised to do, wouldn't he come out strong for Johnson knowing this is his last term as Senator and just disavow his position on abortion? Of all years for the Paul's to not support the libertarian candidate, they choose this year when the candidate may have a shot?

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    If Rand truly supports liberty, then voting for Gary Johnson is the last thing he should do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mit26chell View Post
    Anyone else find it ironic that Rand has pledged to support Donald (the RNC candidate) over the libertarian candidate who is nearly polling 15% and very close to making the debates?

    If Rand truly believed in liberty and truly planned on term-limiting himself as he has promised to do, wouldn't he come out strong for Johnson knowing this is his last term as Senator and just disavow his position on abortion? Of all years for the Paul's to not support the libertarian candidate, they choose this year when the candidate may have a shot?
    Sure, if he didn't mind risking losing his Senate seat. I don't think he wants out of politics entirely yet. That would be a risky move in an election year. Not that GJ/CFR Weld is any great ticket though, just more controlled opposition. I'm sure Rand knows that.
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    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by mit26chell View Post
    Anyone else find it ironic that Rand has pledged to support Donald (the RNC candidate) over the libertarian candidate who is nearly polling 15% and very close to making the debates?

    If Rand truly believed in liberty and truly planned on term-limiting himself as he has promised to do, wouldn't he come out strong for Johnson knowing this is his last term as Senator and just disavow his position on abortion? Of all years for the Paul's to not support the libertarian candidate, they choose this year when the candidate may have a shot?
    They will not let GJ into the debates. That was never a possibility.


    Knowing Rand, he will likely vote for GJ, but that is of course unknown to anyone but himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mit26chell View Post

    If Rand truly believed in liberty and truly planned on term-limiting himself as he has promised to do, wouldn't he come out strong for Johnson knowing this is his last term as Senator and just disavow his position on abortion? Of all years for the Paul's to not support the libertarian candidate, they choose this year when the candidate may have a shot?
    No. A lot of us on this forum wouldn't come out strong for Johnson if you paid us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    As a 3rd Degree Master Mason...
    Phhht. Lightweight.



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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    No. A lot of us on this forum wouldn't come out strong for Johnson if you paid us.
    True dat, homeboy. No way I'm selling out. Nope. My loins are girt with truth from here on out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mit26chell View Post
    Anyone else find it ironic that Rand has pledged to support Donald (the RNC candidate) over the libertarian candidate who is nearly polling 15% and very close to making the debates?
    No, since Rand signed a pledge (the same one the other Republican candidates did) to support the party's nominee long before he knew it would be Trump, or knew who would be the Libertarian nominee/what the poll numbers would be.


    If Rand truly believed in liberty and truly planned on term-limiting himself as he has promised to do, wouldn't he come out strong for Johnson knowing this is his last term as Senator and just disavow his position on abortion? Of all years for the Paul's to not support the libertarian candidate, they choose this year when the candidate may have a shot?
    This does not make sense, as Rand is term limiting himself to two terms, not one, meaning that the present term is not necesariiy (indeed, is hopefully not) his last, and the electoral damage of supporting Johnson would weigh on him in the present election he is running, not a hypothetical future quest for a third term (which, as you note, he says he will not seek).

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    Yeah, Rand signed a pledge, and it's good that he's honoring it. It wouldn't be good for him to wind up like Cruz or Kasich, who went back on their pledge and may well stir enough resentment to get kicked out office (especially if Hillary narrowly wins). Rand also backed Romney, and even campaigned with him for at least one event, so it would look pretty silly to join the #NeverTrump poison.

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    Honestly, he really has to be regretting the pledge. Perino is sorta right, if Rand had gotten out of the GOP early and run for the LP slot, he would be getting all of nevertrump, most of the disaffected cruzies, and with that, probably a podium at the debate. But nobody really knew what was going to happen.

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    I imagine part of the reason Gary has been so promoted is because he picked a CFR goon like Bill Weld to be his VP, I would hope that Rand wouldn't sell out like that and he comes across as a better man than Cruz/Kasich/Bush because he honored his pledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feelgood View Post
    What does this have to do with Ron or him being your hero?!
    Rand snubbed Ron too. Lost respect for Rand. duh

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