Glenn Greenwald: Media is 100% United To Stop Trump

[AuH20]

Greenwald is uncomfortable with this ruthless frenzy:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-donald-trump/

OK, so, I am glad you asked about that because this is the conflict that I am currently having: The U.S. media is essentially 100 percent united, vehemently, against Trump, and preventing him from being elected president. I don’t have an actual problem with that because I share the premises on which it is based about why he poses such extreme dangers. But that doesn’t mean that as a journalist, or even just as a citizen, that I am willing to go along with any claim, no matter how fact-free, no matter how irrational, no matter how dangerous it could be, in order to bring Trump down.

[enhanced_deficit]

But to be fair, there is no difference between Trump and SWC Hillary.

[angelatc]

Wonder how CPUd missed this story?

So, literally, the lead story in the New York Times today suggests, and other people have similarly suggested it, that Trump was literally putting in a request to Putin for the Russians to cyberattack the FBI, the United States government, or get Hillary Clinton’s emails. That is such unmitigated bull$#@!. What that was was an offhanded, trolling comment designed to make some kind of snide reference to the need to find Hillary’s emails. He wasn’t directing the Russians, in some genuine, literal way, to go on some cybermission to find Hillary’s emails. If he wanted to request the Russians to do that, why would he do it in some offhanded way in a press conference? It was a stupid, reckless comment that he made elevated into treason.

[LibertyEagle]

But to be fair, there is no difference between Trump and SWC Hillary.

Oh, yes there is!!

[CPUd]

There are still safe spaces like Hannity for Trump supporters:

[AtlantaIconoclast]

But to be fair, there is no difference between Trump and SWC Hillary.

Let's say you are right. I disagree, but I will let you be right for the sake of argument. Do you really think the Left will rise up against Hillary when she ramps up neocon policies, or are they more likely to rise up and join with non interventionists if Trump is elected. Trump could even be less of a warmonger than Hillary, and still, they would be more likely to wake up from their coma than if Hillary wins.

[Origanalist]

Let's say you are right. I disagree, but I will let you be right for the sake of argument. Do you really think the Left will rise up against Hillary when she ramps up neocon policies, or are they more likely to rise up and join with non interventionists if Trump is elected. Trump could even be less of a warmonger than Hillary, and still, they would be more likely to wake up from their coma than if Hillary wins.

THAT is the best argument I have heard in favor of Trump yet. But all their squealing never stopped Bush so I doubt it would have much effect on the Donald.

[CPUd]

LOL Trump is having a poll, to collect email addresses and donations.

https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/765208197409886209

[angelatc]

LOL Trump is having a poll, to collect email addresses and donations.

https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/765208197409886209

Every politician in the world collects emails by luring their supporters into sites. I've seen either Ron or Rand do pretty much the same thing. You seriously need a time out.

Meanwhile, back to the article :

You interviewed Chris [Hayes] about Brexit and I just want to submit to you that the mistake the U.K. media and U.K. elites made with Brexit is the exact same one that the U.S. media and U.S. elites are making about Trump. U.K. elites were uniform, uniform, in their contempt for the Brexit case, other than the right-wing Murdochian tabloids. They all sat on Twitter all day long, from the left to the right, and all reinforced each other about how smart and how sophisticated they were in scorning and [being snide] about UKIP and Boris Johnson and all of the Brexit leaders, and they were convinced that they had made their case. Everyone they were talking to—which is themselves—agreed with them. It was constant reinforcement, and anyone who raised even a peep of dissent or questioned the claims they were making was instantly castigated as somebody who was endangering the future of the U.K. because they were endorsing—or at least impeding—the effort to stop Brexit. This is what’s happening now.

[CPUd]

Every politician in the world collects emails by luring their supporters into sites. I've seen either Ron or Rand do pretty much the same thing. You seriously need a time out.

Meanwhile, back to the article :

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Not sure what you are talking about, I was just pointing out the whole "media against Trump" narrative works very well for his campaign.

[angelatc]

Annnnddd.....

And what I also think is that, look at the Russia stuff: the history of linking your political opponents to Russia is a really dangerous and ugly one in the U.S.. That’s basically how, for a decade, the right demonized the left, but also liberals. This is the rhetoric that has been resurrected in order to demonize Trump, and I do find it disturbing because, what has he said about Russia? The platform change that he wanted said that he didn’t think the U.S. should be funding factions in the Ukraine in order to defend themselves against Russia because he didn’t think we had a vital interest in Russia’s neighborhood. Let’s leave that to them. You can argue with that and say it’s an irresponsible thing to do. But that’s been a standard liberal view for decades.

[angelatc]

Not sure what you are talking about, I was just pointing out the whole "media against Trump" narrative works very well for his campaign.

The point of the article is that progressive Greenwald, who despises Trump, agrees with him about that fact that there is indeed a "Media against Trump" though. You just sort of glossed over that with your own narrative.

IN fact, posting a Twitter link of a journalist chattering about Trump to rebut a paragraph about journalists chattering about Trump on Twitter probably wasn't a great move.

[phill4paul]

Media is 100% united to report on a Trump "bombshell" when anything anti-Hillary comes out. But, Trump amazingly comes out with something to "bomb" on when anything anti-Hillary comes out.

Amazing. Simply.

[CPUd]

The point of the article is that progressive Greenwald, who despises Trump, agrees with him about that fact.

Then I don't agree with him about the press being 100% united. 60-75% is probably closer to the real number, because he does have some favorable outlets.

[angelatc]

Then I don't agree with him about the press being 100% united. 60-75% is probably closer to the real number, because he does have some favorable outlets.

And so did Brexit. IN fact, they were the same outlets. Read the damned post.

[CPUd]

Media is 100% united to report on a Trump "bombshell" when anything anti-Hillary comes out. But, Trump amazingly comes out with something to "bomb" on when anything anti-Hillary comes out.

Amazing. Simply.

Yes, and then there's that. Much of the Trump campaign's problems with the press is self-inflicted. It helped him in the primaries, and now, not so much.

[oyarde]

Then I don't agree with him about the press being 100% united. 60-75% is probably closer to the real number, because he does have some favorable outlets.

some favorable .... so 90 % are opposed .

[AuH20]

When you're literally fabricating headlines and a general narrative, all journalistic integrity goes out the window. That's what Greenwald is alluding to. He has no problem if they try to take down Trump with documented facts, but that's not the case. It's raced far past facts.

[angelatc]

When you're literally fabricating headlines and a general narrative, all journalistic integrity goes out the window. That's what Greenwald is alluding to. He has no problem if they try to take down Trump with documented facts, but that's not the case. It's raced far past facts.

But aren't you upset that he's allegedly never changed a diaper???? Where are your priorities???

Seriously, my husband wisely predicted this during the primary season. He said they would focus on the other candidates during the primary season, and then unleash the attack dogs on Trump after he got the nomination. And he was right.

[AuH20]

But aren't you upset that he's allegedly never changed a diaper???? Where are your priorities???

Seriously, my husband wisely predicted this during the primary season. He said they would focus on the other candidates during the primary season, and then unleash the attack dogs on Trump after he got the nomination. And he was right.

They are trying to implement a death by a thousand cuts strategy with the frenetic 24 hour news cycle. Accuracy is not the goal, but negativity in bulk is. The only problem is that they are immunizing Trump with this massive push in early August. There is diminishing returns on this type of stuff, especially if Trump performs admirably in the debates.

[anaconda]

But to be fair, there is no difference between Trump and SWC Hillary.

How they are treated by the establishment is certainly a significant difference.

[LibertyEagle]

There are still safe spaces like Hannity for Trump supporters:

There are still safe spaces like the Communist Party - USA for Hillary supporters.
http://www.cpusa.org/

[CPUd]

One of Trump's favorite things to do at his rallies is attack the press pen. This has been escalating since last year:

Journalists report increased threats and harassment at rallies as Trump declares war on ‘the media’

"I'm not running against crooked Hillary, I’m running against the crooked media,” said Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump Saturday evening as a thunderstorm roared outside his rally in Fairfield, CT.

“That’s what I’m running against,” he repeated, according to the Hill. “I’m not running against crooked Hillary.”

Reporters confined to the “press pen” — a barricaded area usually at the center of each rally — say that they are increasingly being insulted and harassed by crowd members as Trump sharpens his animus against a media that he believes is deliberately hamstringing his run for the White House.

On Saturday, he joked that his campaign should revoke the New York Times‘ press credentials over an article he deemed to be less than appropriately flattering.

NBC reporter Katy Tur wrote this week in Marie Claire that after Trump singled her out as a “bad reporter” and called her “Little Katie” at rallies, the Secret Service had to escort her to safety.

“(T)he crowd, feeding off Trump,” she wrote, “seemed to turn on me like a large animal, angry and unchained.”

On Saturday, Sopan Deb of CBS News tweeted, “Yeesh. About five separate instances of people coming up to press pen to tell us how much they hate us (or some variation.)”

NBC’s Ali Vitali posted footage of rally-goers on Saturday staring into the press pen and flashing the “L” for “loser” sign.

Vitali also posted, “‘LIARS.’ A girl says to us. I cant help but crack a smile. ‘Oh, you’re laughing? Think it’s funny?'”

On Friday, a Trump supporter in Florida rushed up to the press pen to raise his middle finger and call the assembled journalists “traitors” while repeatedly pointing to himself and shouting, “I am a patriot!”

In spite of his declaration of all-out war on the press, however, Trump took time during the rally to read whole sections of one New York Post article aloud because it spoke glowingly of his contributions to New York City real estate development.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/jour...-on-the-media/

https://twitter.com/TheBaxterBean/st...77121221001216

[LibertyEagle]

One of Trump's favorite things to do at his rallies is attack the press pen.

The corporate/government controlled press ARE propagandists and liars.

Trump is right.

[angelatc]

One of Trump's favorite things to do at his rallies is attack the press pen.

Again, we are talking about the unified attack messaging against Trump. We are not talking about Trump. Well, you are. Please stop.

[CPUd]

Again, we are talking about the unified attack messaging against Trump. We are not talking about Trump. Well, you are. Please stop.

Does Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham participate in this "unified messaging" campaign?

[angelatc]

The corporate/government controlled press ARE propagandists and liars.

Trump is right.

And CPUd is actually proving the point. It's an echo chamber full of people chattering to themselves about Trump. At this point does anybody doubt that there's a new and improved JournList out there?

[angelatc]

Does Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham participate in this "unified messaging" campaign?

For the love of $#@!ing God, read the $#@!ing article. And not the Breitbart Readers condensed version - the whole thing is here" http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...carthyism.html

Honestly, if you don't know what we're talking about, then stop trying to participate in the conversation. Because so far your "contributions" are making the same point Greenwald made, except you don't seem to grok it.

[CPUd]

For the love of $#@!ing God, read the $#@!ing article. And not the Breitbart Readers condensed version - the whole thing is here" http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...carthyism.html

Honestly, if you don't know what we're talking about, then stop trying to participate in the conversation. Because so far your "contributions" are making the same point Greenwald made, except you don't seem to grok it.

Maybe I should have just posted the NYT story...

[angelatc]

Maybe I should have just posted the NYT story...

Or maybe you should read the article we're talking about before asking questions that are already answered in it.