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    Ukraine Masses Troops on Crimea Border

    Military Spokesman: War With Russia Could Break Out 'At Any Minute'

    Ukrainian residents are reporting that their nation’s military is massing troops and heavy military equipment along the border with the Crimean Peninsula today, following reports from Russian officials of an attempted infiltration of the peninsula, which the Russians identified as a Ukrainian government incursion, and attempted terrorist plot. A Russian soldier and a member of the FSB security service were reported slain in that weekend incident.

    Details of the weekend incident are still emerging, but Russian officials reported gunfire, and having captured several of the plotters, who they suspect of being with Ukrainian intelligence, who were aiming to set up a spy network to attack infrastructure in the peninsula.

    Ukrainian military spokesman Andriy Lysenko confirmed the buildup, amid claims of Russian helicopters spotted inside Crimean territory. He added that Ukrainians “should understand that at any minute” a large-scale war with Russia could begin.

    Ukrainian officials went on to claim Russian President Vladimir Putin was plotting to invade them because of the weekend cross-border incident, though of course Ukraine’s government has been predicting an imminent Russian invasion for over two years now, with nothing coming of it.

    Those predictions of war rarely come with the overt military buildup, however, and Ukrainian officials clearly have more in mind than just the usual week of hysteria that comes and goes without incident, particularly since it coincides so neatly with the reports of an incident at the exact same border.

    Crimea was annexed by the Russian Empire in 1783, and the city of Sevastopol became the host of the Russian Black Sea Fleet the same year. The peninsula’s status was shifted twice within the Soviet Union, initially being an independent Soviet Socialist Republic, becoming part of the Russian SSR in 1945, and transferred to Ukraine SSR in 1954. Ukraine retained Crimea as an autonomous region when the Soviet Union split, though Russia retained the base at Sevastopol and it was agreed the city would have a “special status.”

    This arrangement fell apart in 2014, with the revolution in Ukraine which ousted a pro-Russian government. Crimea quickly seceded from Ukraine and was granted accession into the Russian Federation. Ukraine does not recognize this transfer, and continues to present Crimea as being under “military occupation.”

    The Crimean Peninsula has suffered significant sabotage attacks since its reversion to Russian control, with its electricity supply twice interrupted by saboteur attacks, and Ukrainian nationalists preventing the repairs. Russia aims to supply all of Crimea’s power needs directly, via undersea cable, by 2020, and also plans a land connection, by bridge, in 2018.
    http://news.antiwar.com/2016/08/10/u...crimea-border/
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    War Clouds Gathering Over Crimea


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    Here's a good channel if you want to do some catch-up

    Russell Bentley, a Texan fighting in the Donbass
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrI...FEsInBA/videos

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    What Happened?
    (Ukr are trying to pull Russia in to something on the orders of the West. It's Hillary stupid. )




    #BREAKING US 'extremely concerned' about Ukraine-Russia tensions, calls for restraint
    (I'm not kidding)

    They are trying to pull Russia in to something on the orders of the West.
    They tried the same thing when they shot down Russia fighter jet.
    Russian border is being shelled.. they are not responding in kind.
    Russia's patience is driving them to foam at the mouth.
    I can hear Vicky 'Cookies' Nuland shrieking.

    ==================

    So ONE of the Ukr. provocateurs was caught... currently spilling his guts.

    Gregor Peter ‏@L0gg0l 9 min.
    SABOTAGE OPERATION IN CRIMEA
    PLANNED BY UKRAINE'S MAIN INTELLIGENCE DIRECTORATE,
    SUSPECTED SABOTEUR LEADER ADMITS IN QUESTIONING - IFX

    Gregor Peter ‏@L0gg0l 22 minHá 22 minutos
    Ferry line, oil depot, chemical plant
    were decided as targets of sabotage attacks in Crimea -
    Panov's testimony -- IFX

    Sergey Bobkov ‏@sbobkov 2 hod.
    Panov is also revealing 3 names of his mission partners:
    Alexander Kirilov, Oleg Dmitrenko, and Alexey Sandyl (all officers of GUR MoD #Ukr)

    (Sounds like it went off about as well as Turkey's coup.
    another epic NATO fail.)
    Last edited by goldenequity; 08-11-2016 at 02:07 PM.

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    Russian Foreign Ministry (statement)
    "We call on our partners to show common sense & finally get their Ukrainian wards to end their constant provocations."
    A group of saboteurs were apprehended
    near the town of Armyansk on the night of August 6.
    An FSB officer was shot and killed
    in the process of apprehending the terrorists.
    Explosive devices with a total charge
    of more than 40 kilograms of TNT, munitions, grenades, land mines
    and other weapons were found at the scene.

    Ukrainian Defence Ministry special units
    made two further attempts to infiltrate Crimean territory
    in the early hours of August 8, but the groups of saboteurs and terrorists
    were intercepted by the FSB and other Russian forces.

    These attempts to infiltrate Crimea took place
    under cover from armoured equipment and massive fire by Ukrainian armed forces
    from inside Ukrainian territory.
    One Russian Defence Ministry serviceman was killed as a result.
    Current authorities in Kiev have no real interest
    in searching for a peaceful solution to the problems in Ukraine,
    are not ready to compromise,
    and intend to resolve issues that arise through the use of force,
    including terrorism now.

    The attempts to enter Crimea unlawfully,
    the recent attempt on the life of Head of the Lugansk People’s Republic Igor Plotnitsky,
    the constant firing along the line of contact in Donbass,
    and the actions of radical nationalists and so-called ‘activists’ from around Ukraine
    that go beyond the bounds of any lawful framework
    are a vivid illustration of the state of affairs in Ukraine today.

    Mr Poroshenko constantly touts
    the “unconditional support from the USA, NATO, and the European Union”
    in his “fight to return annexed Crimea”.
    The West’s willingness to play along with this rhetoric
    undoubtedly played a role in the Ukrainian leadership’s criminal decision
    to attempt an armed provocation in Russian Crimea.

    If the commander in chief of Ukraine’s armed forces was involved in these decisions,
    he will have driven the final nail in the coffin of the peace process.
    If these decisions were taken without his knowing, then it is even worse.

    Kiev’s inaction in the face of growing militaristic rhetoric
    and violent acts planned and executed
    by so-called volunteer battalions and other extremists is cause for grave concern.

    We hope that Western capitals will draw the appropriate conclusions.

    Attempts to destabilise the situation in Russian Crimea are doomed to fail.
    Russia unconditionally guarantees Crimea’s stability and security.

    Kiev and its foreign backers should know
    that any harm to Russia or the deaths of Russian personnel
    will not go unanswered.

    Once again,
    we call on our partners to use their influence with Kiev
    to dissuade the government from taking any dangerous steps
    that could have grave consequences.

    Playing with fire is dangerous.
    [end statement]
    Last edited by goldenequity; 08-11-2016 at 02:24 PM.

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    Looks like he had the complete starters kit... everything you'd need.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 08-11-2016 at 02:36 PM.

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37049313

    Ukraine puts troops on high alert as tension grows with Russia

    Ukrainian troops along the de facto border with Crimea and facing rebels in the east have been put on high alert.

    It follows accusations by Moscow on Wednesday that Kiev was carrying out armed incursions into Crimea.

    Ukraine's envoy to the UN asked Russia to provide evidence of the claim
    s, and said some 40,000 Russian troops were massed on the Crimea-Ukraine border.

    His Russian counterpart told the UN Security Council of Moscow's "concern and outrage" at the alleged incursions.

    Crimea was annexed by Russia in 2014 after an unrecognised referendum.

    The two sides are accusing each other of destabilising the situation as Kiev prepares to celebrate the 25th anniversary of Ukrainian independence from Russia on 24 August, and Russia prepares for a parliamentary election on 18 September.
    At a meeting of the UN Security Council in New York, Ukraine ambassador Volodymyr Yelchenko said he had urged his Russian counterpart to produce proof of Ukrainian incursions into Crimea.

    "If it happened in reality, where are the proofs? Statements, pictures, photos, videos, whatever," he told reporters. "They are only words".

    He also said the massing of so many troops by Russia in Crimea "might reflect some very bad intentions".

    But Russia's UN ambassador Vitaly Churkin said that "instead of counting our military they should be bringing an end to the conflict" in eastern Ukraine.
    Both envoys told the UN they hoped that tensions would not escalate further.

    'Dangerous game'

    Russia's FSB intelligence agency on Wednesday said it had smashed a Ukrainian military intelligence network attempting incursions into Crimea over the weekend.
    "Heavy fire" from Ukrainian territory resulted in the death of a Russian soldier. An FSB employee died while trying to detain infiltrators, it said.

    President Putin accused Kiev of "practising terror" and vowed to "not let such things slide by", saying: "This is a very dangerous game".

    President Poroshenko described the accusations as "preposterous and cynical", and said: "These fantasies are only a pretext for making more military threats against Ukraine".



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    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-uk...-idUSKCN10M1LN

    Volodymyr Fesenko, a political analyst in Ukraine, said he thought the Kremlin had its own revised peace plan for eastern Ukraine up its sleeve.

    "Putin will scare the West with the prospect of full-scale conflict with Ukraine," he said. "He is trying to increase pressure on Kiev to force Ukraine to accept a Russian plan to resolve the conflict in the east.

    "Putin won't go all out for a big war. But there might be pinpoint military operations against radicals whose bases are located near the border with Crimea."

    PUTIN'S AIMS

    The European Union and the United States have tied the success of talks under the Minsk process to any possible decision to lift financial sanctions imposed on Russia over the Ukraine crisis.

    But Moscow has grown increasingly frustrated by the talks and by what it says is Ukraine's refusal to fulfill the terms of the truce. Kiev for its part says Moscow is the one that is still stirring tensions among pro-Russian separatists.

    Escalating tension over Crimea could give Putin a pretext to abandon talks altogether, or demand changes to their format and terms, while holding out the prospect of a full-scale renewal of hostilities if he doesn't get what he wants.

    It could also help rally Russians ahead of the parliamentary vote, in which the main pro-Kremlin United Russia Party might struggle to win as many votes as usual because of an economic slump caused by low oil prices as well as the sanctions.

    "While polls show United Russia doing okay (60 percent support), Putin never likes to take chances with domestic politics," Timothy Ash, a strategist at Nomura Bank, wrote in a note. "(He) will want to impress on the Russian electorate his own strength and how lucky they are to be Russian citizens as perhaps compared to their Ukrainian counterparts."

    The imbroglio also gives Crimea's pro-Russian authorities an excuse for their failure to raise living standards since Russia took over. Sergei Aksyonov, the Russian-backed prime minister, told state TV he blamed the Ukrainian incursions on the U.S. State Department.

    Putin may also hope instability in Ukraine can feed into the U.S. presidential election campaign, where Republican candidate Donald Trump accuses President Barack Obama's administration of incompetence and has called for better ties with Moscow. Putin may yet hope to cut a deal on both Ukraine and Syria, the two big issues of contention with Washington, before Obama exits.

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    "Putin won't go all out for a big war"

    No but America will push Ukraine to do for them and thats what happened yesterday. A black op team was founded by Russia.

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    A black op team was founded by Russia.
    Russia started a black op team? (I take it English is not your native language?)

    Founded means started. Perhaps Russia "discovered" one? Or "uncovered" or "found" one?
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 08-11-2016 at 08:59 PM.

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    Without fail, Zippy comes to the aid of NATO and the MSM spinning their stories about the big bad boogie man Putin and Russia.

    According to the Russian daily Kommersant, the Ukrainian incursion occurred on August 7, when Russian intelligence detected the entry of a group of seven armed men in an inflatable boat who passed through the Gulf of Perekop from Ukraine, entering Crimean territory near the town of Armyansk. The men were wearing “Soviet-style” camouflage uniforms, apparently trying to give the impression that they were Russian troops. They were intercepted and a shootout followed, in which several on both sides were wounded and one Russian FSB agent was killed. A second confrontation occurred when, the next day, Russian forces identified one of the saboteurs and followed him into an ambush: Ukrainian military positioned on the border opened fire and a second group crossed the border as the FSB personnel pursued their quarry. One Russian soldier was killed in the ensuing exchange.

    At least two of the infiltrators were killed, and of those in the first group five were captured: a total of ten people have been detained, including Panov. Some had Russian passports and the majority are residents of Crimea. Kommersant also said those captured admitted they were engaged in sabotage, acting under orders from Ukrainian intelligence; their objective was to plant bombs at tourist sites and incite panic, effectively destroying Crimea’s lucrative tourist industry, although they denied wanting to kill anyone.

    Oh, of course not!

    Tass is reporting that Panov has not only confessed that the operation was carried out under the direction of the Ukrainian secret service, but he has identified some of them by name. His taped statement was broadcast over the Rossiya’24 news channel.

    Now we have Newsweek ZIPPYJUAN “reporting” the preposterous Ukrainian “spin” on this botched incursion: it was really a “shootout involving Russian federal security agents (FSB) and Russian armed forces on the Crimean regional border”! Yes, the Russians were shooting at themselves. Ukrainian propaganda usually borders on the fantastic, but this marks a new level of crudity even for them.
    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2...ober-surprise/
    A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.

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    Crimea was annexed by Russia in 2014 after an unrecognised referen......they always disqualify a result that is not to their liking
    "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it."
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    "It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams



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    Quote Originally Posted by puppetmaster View Post
    Crimea was annexed by Russia in 2014 after an unrecognised referen......they always disqualify a result that is not to their liking
    The U.S and European Union may want to save Crimeans from themselves. But the Crimeans are happy right where they are.

    One year after the annexation of the Ukrainian peninsula in the Black Sea, poll after poll shows that the locals there — be they Ukrainians, ethnic Russians or Tatars are mostly all in agreement: life with Russia is better than life with Ukraine.

    Little has changed over the last 12 months. Despite huge efforts on the part of Kiev, Brussels, Washington and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, the bulk of humanity living on the Black Sea peninsula believe the referendum to secede from Ukraine was legit. At some point, the West will have to recognize Crimea’s right to self rule. Unless we are all to believe that the locals polled by Gallup and GfK were done so with FSB bogey men standing by with guns in their hands.

    In June 2014, a Gallup poll with the Broadcasting Board of Governors asked Crimeans if the results in the March 16, 2014 referendum to secede reflected the views of the people. A total of 82.8% of Crimeans said yes. When broken down by ethnicity, 93.6% of ethnic Russians said they believed the vote to secede was legitimate, while 68.4% of Ukrainians felt so. Moreover, when asked if joining Russia will ultimately make life better for them and their family, 73.9% said yes while 5.5% said no.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoz.../#775a039f5951
    A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.

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    That's what I thought also. No worries we will go $#@! it up.
    "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it."
    James Madison

    "It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams



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    Ukraine and related Updates:

    3 new appointments to Russia Security Council/Kremlin
    (new appointees being intimate w/ Baltic, Caspian & Black Sea operations)

    Heavy RuAF transports landing in northern Crimea
    (transported elements of the 1st Tank Guards Army for some 'insurance' against Ukr assault next 48 hrs)

    Trains w/ military equipment inside Russia spotted headed for ports to Crimea.



    Russian PM Medvedev:

    'Kiev's actions in #Crimea are a crime against #Russia and the Russian people'

    "Russia may cut diplomatic ties with #Ukraine if no other options available"
    "History Saw All Kinds Of Things, If No Other Option Will Have To" - Intrfx

    CRIMEA: Russia deploys S-400 air-defense system to Crimea - Reuters
    The S-400s in Crimea mean the Ukies cannot fly combat missions over Novorossiya.
    S-400s can paint targets up to 600km away and drop targets up to 400km away
    It covers eastern Romania all the way to Kiev and down as far as just outside of Ankara
    Any aircraft flying within Western, Eastern and Central Ukraine can be dropped
    Thats a big 'oh $#@!!' sign for Ukraine

    Details on Kiev's Attempted Terrorist Attacks in Crimea


    New jets deployed at Bel'bek airfield, Crimea via @Ald_Aba



    Huge columns of #USA tanks and armored vehicles were sighted near #Cincu, #Romania.

    Twelve #US Air Force F-15s deployed in #Estonia - August 12, 2016.



    Gleb Bazov ‏@gbazov · 3 min.
    #UKRAINE—For 2 days, UA propaganda claimed saboteur #Panov was "kidnapped" by #Russia, brought to #Crimea. NOW: "He drove there himself."... (lol)

    Alex Kokcharov @AlexKokcharov 16m16 minutes ago
    Russia's FSB claims that "#Ukraine's saboteurs" in #Crimea planned to blow up an #airport

    Ukrainian agent tells about selecting sites for planting bombs in Crimea

    Ministry of Defense: Ukrainian pilots are practicing flight tactical tasks with live fire and bomb release

    Source claims Ukrainian Defense Ministry employee is organizer of Crimea subversive acts

    Captain Vladimir Serdyuk of the Ukrainian Defence Ministry 'orchestrated #Crimea sabotage'

    Klintsy

    More BMPs for the new Russian military base in Klintsy



    Russian reinforcement far from Crimea , north direction. The most dangerous direction for Kyiv.



    KLINTSY


    Conflict News ‏@Conflicts 1 min1 minuto fa Visualizza traduzione
    UKRAINE: @OSCE_SMM reports an increase in ceasefire violations, including more explosions, in #Donetsk & #Luhansk.

    DNR expects/ready to repel Ukr offensive on 3 fronts.

    Donetsk hospitals instructed to release all 'light' patients and prepare cellars

    DNR Authorities checking basements/bomb shelters in prep

    ===================

    UK

    Max Abrahms ‏@MaxAbrahms · 11 min.
    Boris Johnson says Britain must 'normalise' its relationship with Russia
    (yeah... good idea Boris... now that you've extricated yourselves from the Brussels leviathan. )
    (PM Theresa May will visit w/ Putin next month)
    Putin & May agree to personal meeting, speak of mending ties
    Last edited by goldenequity; 08-12-2016 at 12:11 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by puppetmaster View Post
    Crimea was annexed by Russia in 2014 after an unrecognised referen......they always disqualify a result that is not to their liking
    The majority of Russians in Crimea i love how Western News Media claims that Crimea was annexed by Russia. The majority of people there are Russians who lived in Crimea for decades.

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    Ukrainian Defense Ministry’s main intelligence directorate terror plot SITREP
    (by Scott On the Saker website)

    (a shortened summary below... full version above is a GOOD read... photos/videos)

    "1. The FSB in Crimea received information that near Armyansk was found a cache of explosives.
    The operative group went to the scene.
    2. When the FSB group arrived in the designated place, they found a group of 20 heavily armed men
    engaged in loading explosives from an underground dugout onto their vehicles.
    These men immediately opened fire on the task force.
    3. A fight ensued during which one officer was killed. Then the FSB called for reinforcement from the military.
    During the clashes, the enemy acted quite competently.
    4. In the ensuing battle, an unidentified group broke up. 14 or 15 people moved by water (water is knee deep for 3 kilometers)
    and dragged along with them 1 200x, and unknown number of 300x ) onto the Ukrainian territory.
    At this time, armored vehicles came into water on the Ukrainian side, and provided fire support for the terrorists group.
    5. On our side, there was another one 200x and one 300x.
    4 people from the group remained in the Crimea and now the manhunt is underway,
    that’s why newspapers published a photo robot and the announcements.
    It looks like this operation is called the “Fortress”."

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    $#@! that whole side of the world. Countries can fend for themselves. We have enough problems here in the good ole U S of A. Drop out of NATO and let Russia cull the weak.
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Ukraine and related Updates:

    3 new appointments to Russia Security Council/Kremlin
    (new appointees being intimate w/ Baltic, Caspian & Black Sea operations)

    Heavy RuAF transports landing in northern Crimea
    (transported elements of the 1st Tank Guards Army for some 'insurance' against Ukr assault next 48 hrs)

    Trains w/ military equipment inside Russia spotted headed for ports to Crimea.



    Russian PM Medvedev:

    'Kiev's actions in #Crimea are a crime against #Russia and the Russian people'

    "Russia may cut diplomatic ties with #Ukraine if no other options available"
    "History Saw All Kinds Of Things, If No Other Option Will Have To" - Intrfx

    CRIMEA: Russia deploys S-400 air-defense system to Crimea - Reuters
    The S-400s in Crimea mean the Ukies cannot fly combat missions over Novorossiya.
    S-400s can paint targets up to 600km away and drop targets up to 400km away
    It covers eastern Romania all the way to Kiev and down as far as just outside of Ankara
    Any aircraft flying within Western, Eastern and Central Ukraine can be dropped
    Thats a big 'oh $#@!!' sign for Ukraine

    Details on Kiev's Attempted Terrorist Attacks in Crimea


    New jets deployed at Bel'bek airfield, Crimea via @Ald_Aba


    Huge columns of #USA tanks and armored vehicles were sighted near #Cincu, #Romania.

    Twelve #US Air Force F-15s deployed in #Estonia - August 12, 2016.



    Gleb Bazov ‏@gbazov · 3 min.
    #UKRAINE—For 2 days, UA propaganda claimed saboteur #Panov was "kidnapped" by #Russia, brought to #Crimea. NOW: "He drove there himself."... (lol)

    Alex Kokcharov @AlexKokcharov 16m16 minutes ago
    Russia's FSB claims that "#Ukraine's saboteurs" in #Crimea planned to blow up an #airport

    Ukrainian agent tells about selecting sites for planting bombs in Crimea

    Ministry of Defense: Ukrainian pilots are practicing flight tactical tasks with live fire and bomb release

    Source claims Ukrainian Defense Ministry employee is organizer of Crimea subversive acts

    Captain Vladimir Serdyuk of the Ukrainian Defence Ministry 'orchestrated #Crimea sabotage'

    Klintsy

    More BMPs for the new Russian military base in Klintsy



    Russian reinforcement far from Crimea , north direction. The most dangerous direction for Kyiv.



    KLINTSY

    Conflict News ‏@Conflicts 1 min1 minuto fa Visualizza traduzione
    UKRAINE: @OSCE_SMM reports an increase in ceasefire violations, including more explosions, in #Donetsk & #Luhansk.

    DNR expects/ready to repel Ukr offensive on 3 fronts.

    Donetsk hospitals instructed to release all 'light' patients and prepare cellars

    DNR Authorities checking basements/bomb shelters in prep

    ===================

    UK

    Max Abrahms ‏@MaxAbrahms · 11 min.
    Boris Johnson says Britain must 'normalise' its relationship with Russia
    (yeah... good idea Boris... now that you've extricated yourselves from the Brussels leviathan. )
    (PM Theresa May will visit w/ Putin next month)
    Putin & May agree to personal meeting, speak of mending ties
    So Russia IS massing forces next to Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So Russia IS massing forces next to Ukraine.
    Yep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So Russia IS massing forces next to Ukraine.
    So Ukraine IS massing forces next to Russia. What are you going to say next? Putin going to invade Ukraine and Eastern Europe in a bid to reform the USSR? You and the MSM have been telling us that for the last 2 years now...
    A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.

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    I hope Russia kicks Ukraine's ass. THen I hope Russia kicks NATO's ass. Then I hope the USA minds it's own $#@!ing business.
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope

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    Marcel Sardo ‏@marcelsardo 8 min.
    Leader of the Ukrainian Neo-Nazi Battalion AZOV Bilezkij on TV. On his T-Shirt: "Kill the separatists» |
    (same old maggots)



    RU's threat to UA: "It is time to realize that some political decisions may lead to irreversible consequences."


    Russia's entire western military district - which borders the Baltic states - have gone onto a state of high alert...
    That means around 30,000 soldiers as well as heavy machinery units and about 500 tanks.

    http://www.lsm.lv/en/article/societ/...um=like_button

    S-400s in Crimea and S-300s in Belarus can literally shut down the airspace completely.
    Kaliber cruise missiles, TU bombers, Ballistic missles... the list goes on.
    It would be no contest to decapitate Kiev/Porky and the Coupsters
    and eliminate the predatory NeoNazi battalions like Azov, Tornado, Aidar etc.

    The entire country has been depleted and looted to the bone.
    NOBODY (really) wants them (including Russia)... and not the US nor the EU.



    all they are is a NATO chesspiece (that was a BAD idea... another Nuland/Pyatt disaster)
    Last edited by goldenequity; 08-12-2016 at 04:01 PM.



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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by twomp View Post
    Military Spokesman: War With Russia Could Break Out 'At Any Minute'



    http://news.antiwar.com/2016/08/10/u...crimea-border/
    I could be mistaken, but I don't think this will end well for Ukraine.

    For the life of me I cannot understand what madness possessed them to relinquish their nuclear weapons. Give the history there with the soviets, it was an act of utter madness, that opinion being borne out with the Russian annexation of Crimea and now this.
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    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    I hope Russia kicks Ukraine's ass. THen I hope Russia kicks NATO's ass. Then I hope the USA minds it's own $#@!ing business.
    Why? Russia has been the bad actor WRT Ukraine since the 1920s. Those bastards starved at least 6-8 million Ukranians unto death, the real numbers likely being far higher. Khrushchev gave Crimea to the Ukraine. He was "authorized" to do it. I see no authoritative basis for Russia taking it back. Am I missing something?

    As for kicking NATO's ass... well, in a ground war they almost certainly would. Now, were you France or Germany and were about to be overrun by thousands of Russian tanks with supporting infantry, as well as having your cities bombed into dust and your survival looking like a non-starter, would you hold back your nukes? I'd vaporize Moscow, St Petersburg, every military installation I would reach, and as much manufacturing as I could level. Doesn't matter if Merkel is a mentally retarded $#@!. If things came to that, I suspect the German military would put a bullet in her head without ceremony, take control of the government, and launch a full strike. I doubt the Brits would hesitate, if they felt they were next.

    And as for USA keeping out of it... come now, are you even serious? An all-out tete-a-tete between Russia and NATO stands to yield very bad results for everyone, save perhaps the Muslims who, in the wake would likely mount their camels, which would be higher tech than anything Europe would have left, and hump their way across the continent, taking heads as needed. The scimitar would rise once again to global supremacy!

    Not sure where you're coming from with this.
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    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    I could be mistaken, but I don't think this will end well for Ukraine.

    For the life of me I cannot understand what madness possessed them to relinquish their nuclear weapons. Give the history there with the soviets, it was an act of utter madness, that opinion being borne out with the Russian annexation of Crimea and now this.
    That's an easy one. They weren't 'their' weapons.
    They belonged to the Soviet Union USSR a Legal 'entity'
    whose 'assets' and 'debts' were being 'parted out' and dis-assembled.
    ... you can go figure from there
    using 1991 geo-politics as your filter.
    The 'West' was MORE than anxious to de-commission/remove them.

    and to your other comment...
    I don't have to change a thing here.

    As far as Crimea you are delusional...
    they were in fear from the START... and NOT of the Russians.

    Get your current history straight.
    Get your past history straight...
    and the UN charted 'right' of self determination...
    INSISTED UPON by the US (but only when it's in 'our' interest... i.e. Kosovo etc.)

    R U KIDDN' ME???
    Thousands of Ukrainian soldiers on the Crimean territory joined Russian ranks.
    ...nearly 10 thousand.... photos of Ukrainian troops taking selfies with the Russian ones.
    Crimea was 'given' (via Khrushchev) BY the USSR to the USSR...
    Ukraine was a Soviet State!
    When the USSR broke apart... (do your homework!) Crimea always wanted
    to go back to Russia during the period of Ukraine's new 'independent' status.
    Look up Crimea's proclamation of independence (their attempt) in early 90s,
    Look up and document the protests against forced 'Ukrainization'.
    Now, in the end, it's reached it's status of the independent Governorate.
    Congrats Crimea!

    Russia did a 'good work' when decided to act.
    Can you even imagine suffering of Crimean people, civilians,
    if scumbags from Azov, Tornado and co. would enter the territory
    to promote their noble Banderite values?

    IT'S SAD that whole of eastern Ukraine including Mariopal
    was not defended from this utterly disgusting behavior of the western supported neonazi criminal thugs.

    In Syria beheaders, in Ukraine Banderites.
    Noble freedom fighters of noble western leaders.

    God damn them all.
    Amen.

    =================

    and
    as far as 6-8M 'victims' of 'bloodthirsty' Russian aggression...
    let's explain for the 'uninitiated' EXACTLY what we're accusing/defending shall we?
    and keep it simple... as much as you can keep atrocity and genocide 'simple'.

    Set the clock for WW2..
    Nazis invaded/occupied Ukraine.
    Got it?
    MANY (then) Ukraines cooperated WITH the Nazis... (hoping for 'independence'... aka 'Nationalists')
    MANY (at the same time) Ukraines FOUGHT against the Nazi occupation.
    See the problem?

    the rest shall we say is 'history'....
    except
    it isn't.
    The 'descendents' (literally) of those who 'cooperated' with the Nazis
    now
    1. Run the Country
    2. Are still committing atrocities, rape, torture and murder against all who are not 'true' Ukrainians.
    See the problem?
    Good.
    Be careful 'who' you're defending.

    Here's a little clip of what they did to the Poles:



    and here's some xtra cirricular reading assignments

    https://slavyangrad.org/2015/08/10/w...a-us-audience/

    https://slavyangrad.org/2014/10/14/the-march-of-heroes/

    There was NO mercy shown to the Nazis or their minion by Stalin

    Last edited by goldenequity; 08-12-2016 at 07:43 PM.

  32. #28
    Kiev



    =======================

    Besides Panov.... another 2:

    Sergey Bobkov ‏@sbobkov 28 min.
    ►#Crimea #FSB: #Ukr diversant #Zakhtey got busted with several kgs of explosives inside his car tires +hand grenades.




    Sergey Bobkov ‏@sbobkov 27 min.
    ►#Crimea #FSB: #Ukr diversant Edvan Suleymanov confirms that the explosions would be blamed on local Tatar Muslims. (Muslim minority in Crimea)



    Sergey Bobkov ‏@sbobkov 23 min.
    ►#Crimea #FSB: #Ukr diversant cell had plans to blow up #Simferopol airport + bus terminals, infrastructure objects in #Yalta, #Sevastopol.

    Sergey Bobkov ‏@sbobkov 18 min.
    False flag terrorist attack? using local Muslim minorities? to wage Jihad against central govt? Where have I heard this before?


    ==============

    VP Biden had phone call with President Poroshenko, discussed Crimean situation
    (gee... I feel better now)
    Last edited by goldenequity; 08-12-2016 at 05:43 PM.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    I could be mistaken, but I don't think this will end well for Ukraine.

    For the life of me I cannot understand what madness possessed them to relinquish their nuclear weapons. Give the history there with the soviets, it was an act of utter madness, that opinion being borne out with the Russian annexation of Crimea and now this.
    It was an utter act of madness for Washington to foster, fund and support the overthrow of the elected government of Ukraine. Crimea voting to separate itself from Washington's Maidan rebels that overthrew their elected government was and natural and just result.

    If Washington does not like the consequences of its actions, it should never have fostered the overthrow of the Ukraine government to begin with. Where the blame lies is with this idiotic NeoCon foreign policy implemented by Obama, Bush, Kerry, Clinton, McCain, etc. It’s intellectually defective.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    And as for USA keeping out of it... come now, are you even serious? An all-out tete-a-tete between Russia and NATO stands to yield very bad results for everyone, save perhaps the Muslims who, in the wake would likely mount their camels, which would be higher tech than anything Europe would have left, and hump their way across the continent, taking heads as needed. The scimitar would rise once again to global supremacy! Not sure where you're coming from with this.
    jllundqu's comment was quite clear from the context that he hope Washington learned to mind its own business after it got its ass kicked.
    I prefer Washington learn to mind its own business without the need for it to get its ass kicked. But from the present standpoint that requires a complete and total purge and repudiation of the neocons and their idiotic foreign policy ideology out of Washington.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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